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Twin Peaks Season 3 |OT2| It's Just A Change, Not An End
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I shit on Lynch plenty for episode 5 6 and 12. I thought part 18 was fantastic TV. "Bad conclusion" or not.
She was killed by bad Coop 25 years ago.
Cooper moved on off screen.
Really, that's the only logical explanation.
"You follow human nature perfectly" and that he was using George's gun to shoot her. And then her body hit the ground like 90% of the season's plot threads.
DedalusJoyce
Member
A lot of you are talking about TP lore and multiverse but can anyone succinctly try to summarise what Lynch is trying to say about the world? If anything at all.
Doctor Bat
Member
Wow, this thread really did explode overnight.
Airola
Member
So let's reflect on what hopes I had here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=247735286&postcount=795
Lol.
Didn't happen.
Nope.
Oh wait, I think Lucy mentioned Wally. Or did she?
So that would go to acknowledging him.
I watched the episode twice but can't remember :/
Lol, no.
We got
Cooper: "Gordon."
Gordon: "Coop."
We really got none of the moments I hoped Cooper would get to have in the town of Twin Peaks. A car drow fast past the Twin Peaks sign. Cooper ran in the sheriff station. He tripped there. And he was gone.
It kinda sucks that only Mr. C got the best interactions between Gordon Cole and the people in Twin Peaks. And even those were quite a small things.
No.
Well at least her name was mentioned in FWWM flashback, lol.
Oh I wish.
hehe
Nope.
No.
Nope.
Yes!
Just an old scene in a flashback but damn it I loved to see him being there.
Well kinda, sorta...
In the most vague possible way.
Could've gone there but never did.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=247735286&postcount=795
Lol.
Didn't happen.
Nope.
Oh wait, I think Lucy mentioned Wally. Or did she?
So that would go to acknowledging him.
I watched the episode twice but can't remember :/
Lol, no.
We got
Cooper: "Gordon."
Gordon: "Coop."
We really got none of the moments I hoped Cooper would get to have in the town of Twin Peaks. A car drow fast past the Twin Peaks sign. Cooper ran in the sheriff station. He tripped there. And he was gone.
It kinda sucks that only Mr. C got the best interactions between Gordon Cole and the people in Twin Peaks. And even those were quite a small things.
No.
Well at least her name was mentioned in FWWM flashback, lol.
Oh I wish.
hehe
Nope.
No.
Nope.
Yes!
Just an old scene in a flashback but damn it I loved to see him being there.
Well kinda, sorta...
In the most vague possible way.
Could've gone there but never did.
The past and the things we once sought solace in can still be glimpsed fleetingly, akin to Cooper waking as perfect OG Coop and Audrey dancing her dreamy dance both in EP 16 - but they aren't real. The real world has become a darker place.
We can never go home or back, and if we try we will find the truth unsettling
JawesomeJaw
Member
I think this David Lynch production might be about the encroaching evils that exist below the surface of the facade of Americana.
I'm fine with the concept (though I don't really see it as a "big bad," the thing is so ill-defined, it's hard to think of it as one concrete thing), but the exposition introducing it was handled incredibly poorly with some of the clunkiest writing I've heard in a very long time. All of the metaphysical technobabble delivered by Gordon on this show was the absolute worst. Incidentally, it sounds a whole lot like the actual real world David Lynch trying to explain his sad cultish delusions of how the science works.
Doctor Bat
Member
Wondering if anyone picked up on the fact that the RR2Go sign is missing on the side of the diner in the Part 18 universe version of Twin Peaks.
Spieler Eins
Member
Episode 17 was amazing, I am now satisfi...
Episode 18
THIS IS A WAY WORSE CLIFFHANGER THAN BEFORE
Episode 18
THIS IS A WAY WORSE CLIFFHANGER THAN BEFORE
We live inside a dream.
You need to be delusional if you thought this ending would be anything else.
Episode 17 was amazing, I am now satisfi...
Episode 18
THIS IS A WAY WORSE CLIFFHANGER THAN BEFORE
Episode 17 was amazing, we finally got closure after 25 years
Episode 18 THIS IS A NIGHTMARE I HATE YOU LYNCH
Seriously. Going into pretty much any of Lynchs work expecting answers and everything to be to tied up in a pretty little bow is insane. You'd have to be completely unfamiliar with him to expect that. But that's obviously not the case for most of these people griping about it.
How fun is it to find meaning in something that has no meaning? And I generally like/love Lynch stuff, even Inland Empire, but there are posters here who are reading so much into so little, I don't think even Lynch knows what half of the imagery actually means - listen to him talk about meditation and the sea of universal consciousness, he ascribes meaning to things that he thinks are subconsciously meaningful even if he doesn't understand how. I know my Lynch and if I'm belittling anyone it's the folks who expect Lynch to have designed every aspect of the show and how they're eager to call 'genius' about anything that they personally don't understand. To me, Inland Empire worked where this series of Twin Peaks didn't. The main storyline could have been told in half as many episodes but because it was called 'Twin Peaks' it had to revolve around Twin Peaks and seemed like 17 episodes of desperately trying to make a new series that married the original with everything Lynch has done since and who he is now. So we got forced 'soap opera' sections that led nowhere, characters that appeared important but disappeared after one episode, 'mysteries' that were never explored, random 'red herrings'. The Lynch bits - episode 8, etc - were great and if we'd had another FWWM style movie to finish the story then it would probably have worked well - but there was too much that, when the final credits rolled, added up to nothing. The current ending has one version of 'the dream', but not the version we spent 16 episodes watching fail but one that meant that none of the events of season 1-3 of Twin Peaks actually happened.
So I'm not a big fan of the ending and think it sort of ruins the series for me but to imagine that all the missteps and mistakes were part of Lynch's genius master plan is as silly as it's always been and I don't mind taking the piss out of it
Now? Twin Peaks has always had a "big bad." It used to be BOB, now it's Judy. And Judy is a big bad in less of a final villain way and more of an elemental evil way.
The gallant knight who goes to slay the dragon and rescue the princess is basically exactly what happens in the S2 finale.
Probably my favorite end to any TV show, or at the very least top 3.
Fenderputty
Banned
Dark, barley lit room. Unsettled is more accurate. That's how the last scene felt. That was the only scene though.
where does the season 3 finale rank
When I was watching Season 2 for the first time this summer, I thought the final episode was a pretty conclusive ending to a lot of what had been going, it felt like a great culmination. Of course there was the cliffhanger with Boop at the end, but I was satisfied. This last episode has yet to leave me completely satisfied, though the analysis over the next few years will probably help that
Very high actually. Not as high as the end to The Shield but definitely top tier television.
I was enthralled from the start of Episode 17 to the end of Episode 18.
There is nothing else like this. And what a treasure it have been getting a show like this on the air.
I think the show ended very strong. There was a few stinker episodes here and there but overall I think the show was on an upward trajectory.
Episode 8 is an outstanding singular episode though.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Should have ended with Coop eating a piece of cherry pie, drinking a coffee, giving the camera a thumbs up, Andy tripping over the RR threshold, Lucy falling back in her chair, Leo walking into the scene with new shoes. The End.
It's a good point to bring up, and I think it's at the core of why a lot of people are having negative reactions to not just the finale, but the season in general: it isn't clear what this is about at all, except fear and dreams and decay. That's enough for some people, other people want a theme that they can actually look at and think about. Other Lynch stuff manages to have both worlds, but this one doesn't. It's kind of pure emotion/dream world logic all the way.
I think it's a flaw. Looking at it as a whole, if you remove the 'this is made by david lynch' aspect of it, this is a hugely flawed piece of work with a few high points.
Season 2 finale was such a staggering work of art that there's a part of me that wants to cross over into the timeline where it (combined with the astounding final scene of FWWM) is still the finale of Twin Peaks.
Mark Frost liked this tweet, which is probably my favorite take on the finale I've seen. It's probably been posted here before.
This is what I said last night.
theinternetman
Member
I don't think it makes much sense to say a piece of art has no meaning. If someone finds meaning, then it has meaning.
What's wrong with ascribing meaning to things that are sensed to be subconsciously meaningful?
A happy ending that is a pastiche - I realise you may be mocking those wanting things tied up nicely and a happy ending in itself, but I don't agree it would have had to go that far.
I think thematically it would have been nice for Mr C and Coop to re-enter the Lodge and this time, over the years, Cooper didn't give into his fear.
Instead of getting punched by a guy with a glove, Bad Coop was beat by good Coop growing and facing down his fear.
The bittersweet ending of Coop pulling Laura away that night, her disappearing and him realising you can't change the past would have sat better than what we got as a closer but I never went into the finale expecting clear lines
You forgot Annie walking into the RR and making out with Coop like 25 years never passed.
Certainly would have had more of an impact than him making out with a character we've never seen him have an interaction with before
I think at the very least this show argues, or examines the argument, that
You can't really change the past
You can't ever really go back or home again. You have changed so things can't ever be the same again.
And from an artistic standpoint Lynch is clearly, explicitly, making the argument that providing explanations for art in absolute terms is a very negative force. That the mystery is part of the art and makes you think for yourself.
Death Metalist
Member
There's some stuff I'm unsatisfied with, like never resolving whatever the fuck is going on with Audrey, but overall I thought the last episode was great.
The way they ended it with Coop trapped in an unfamiliar reality was just chilling.
Also regarding young Laura, it was definitely a different actress, there's a second Laura Palmer in the credits, and you could tell when she was facing the camera. Still really impressed with how they integrated that old footage.
The way they ended it with Coop trapped in an unfamiliar reality was just chilling.
Also regarding young Laura, it was definitely a different actress, there's a second Laura Palmer in the credits, and you could tell when she was facing the camera. Still really impressed with how they integrated that old footage.
Yeah they just stopped with that arc he had with Shelley/Red and his daughter issues. Unless it's for later seasons idk.
I felt the same. I was actually interrupted during the end of 17. My brother and friend came over. So I had some time to digest ep.17 on it's own. It felt like a perfect bittersweet ending to season 3. Episode 18 felt like the beginning of season 4 mixed with Lost Highway 2. The more I think about the more I like it. I can't wait to rewatch it. I already rewatched some of ep.17 and the start of 18.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
As opposed to Coop walking into the station and making out with Diane like 25 years never happened.
It's telling that a lot of the responses to criticism of the new season are absurdly exaggerated strawmen and nonsequiturs.
Death Metalist
Member
Yeah I totally get that but there are still too many loose ends to actually make somewhat of a concrete answer on the whole thing unlike the other seasons or Lynch's other works in general(Mulholland Drive for example). Like episode 17 doesn't just exist in a vacuum, it exists because of all the events that happened before it. Things are kind of all over the place now if you tried to piece it all together. In a way I'm hoping for a S4 but expecting nothing and that's fine, it just makes it hard to care that much about the events of S3 when you look at the entire piece. I enjoyed my time with S3 and overall, I love it even with its nonsense. I look forward to reading theories and shit.
e: The thing I keep thinking about is if the lodges posses that much power(dimensions, time travel, tulpas.etc) then what other things they could do? Adding to that why do they even have rules if they posses this much power over the world or whatever.
yeah, man, shit. that stuff is all just left in the lurch.
i mean i liked the last 2 episodes but what the fuck was dave thinking just leaving a lot of this stuff completely unresolved. not in a 'wow, mysteries' kind of way but a 'uh i liked that story why did it just stop' kind of way.
And vice versa?
You could go through my post history if you want. But I've definitely criticized the show. I actually hate Laura Derns' Diane. But I think expecting him to get together with Annie 25 years later is just as stupid as him making out with Diane.
More like, as if a different show aired 25+ years ago, because that wasn't a continuation of the Twin Peaks we knew.
It was fascinating watching responses to criticism evolve from dismissing anyone who wanted Classic Peaks back, to hostility against anyone who wasn't interested in fanservice and back to this.
a lot of people were convinced that it was going to circle back and make sense in a way they understood, and ep 16 really made it seem like it was headed in that direction, but i've always said - nothing they could do could make up for the huge amounts of clearly wasted time going on. this is a deeply flawed and at times outright bad 18 hours of weirdness.
and i'm one of the motherfuckers who actually like it.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I hope we don't get a season 4. Despite the colossal fuck up with Diane, I found the finale to be incredibly conclusive in the same way that the original finale was. Even after 25 years and knowing what was coming, Cooper was defeated once more. Laura cannot be saved. There is no happy ending for Twin Peaks. Love is not enough.
Any continuation would either be redundant or disappointingly upbeat.
Any continuation would either be redundant or disappointingly upbeat.