akimbo009
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Seems a great plan... Fire those who actually know what they are doing. Elon's talking shit about his employees in public and gets called for it, and then acts like some whiny bitch and fires them. Dude sure is an inspiration.
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Seems a great plan... Fire those who actually know what they are doing. Elon's talking shit about his employees in public and gets called for it, and then acts like some whiny bitch and fires them. Dude sure is an inspiration.
Maiden Voyage
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He wants a musktatorship not elonocracy.
Mistake
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I get it, but talking shit about your boss on work channels he can look at is pretty dumb tbh
Bitmap Frogs
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Meanwhile mastodon keeps growing.
Reporting 1.8M monthly active users up from 1 million 7 days ago, up from 655k 12 days ago.
Reporting 1.8M monthly active users up from 1 million 7 days ago, up from 655k 12 days ago.
Maiden Voyage
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akimbo009
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Sometimes it ain't worth being abused. Imagine how embarrassing this is going for folks who still work there and have to answer for it to their families and friends. Total cringe. So yeah, dont think these folks really appreciate what's happening to them and what they had built.
Kudos to them, and wish them best of luck.
Mistake
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Restructuring is never pretty. Whether or not the transition amounts to "abuse" is kind of a stretch for me. For being as smart as they are, apparently months warning wasn't enough to tell them how they should handle themselves. Ffs it's been like two weeks, what do you expect?
StreetsofBeige
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I'd fire them too.
Doesn't matter how good someone is at their job. If you bad mouth bosses and got lousy attitude, that's a factor that can be just as big as firing people for bad performance. And doing it in public is even worse. That's another techie worker trend.
However tech people are blessed they often have an office job or work from home where they dont usually interact with anyone (aside from other employees and loving social media). Front line workers like sales will have a totally different demeanor. That's why it seems when there's cuts in tech companies, it's not like only tech dept gets cut. Sales marketing, finance, warehouse guys etc.... can all get cut too. But it's the techies that are always the loudest.
Just about every boss will tell you if they had a choice between someone with a bad attitude and good skills vs. good attitude that needs training or is an average worker, they'll take the latter. You can train skillset. You can never train attitude. But as I said, often times tech and IT kinds of people are insulated, so if they are whiney or one of those nerdy lone wolf people it might be tolerated as long as it doesn't spread internally or publicly. But it can only go so far as that dream tool called Twitter is a mouthpiece for people who cant stay quiet.
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The employee's message was no worse than how Musk communicates. Maybe the dev should have found a way to add pp. The situation could have been taken as a public learning moment for Musk but he's at a place in his life where he refuses to learn and egotistically fires first in the attempt to reshape reality to suit his errors at great cost. Elon Muskva bringing the sink.
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Elon is fucking this up left and right, but not by firing people who are openly and publicly insubordinate. The number one rule any professional should know in this day and age is you don't shit talk your company on social media
akimbo009
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You really either hate tech folks or are jealous of them - I can't get a read of it but you rail on them in every post, and anonimize them to the point of being charactures. I don't know if it's really a good faith effort by you, but I'll bite.
These particular folks - some who claim to have been at Twitter for 6 years and longer - presumably didn't have "management" problems until their "CEO/manager" started to shame their work in public. Additionally, I presume these to the absolute "gotta keep them" since they didn't get hit in the arbitrary cull that fired their friends, peers, and folks they depended on to get their job done. So firing them now, when being called out for exactly what needs to be called out on, is really just cutting your nose off to spite your face behavior.
So I guess you can dehumanize these people as "nerdy lone wolves" or some weird narrative you convince yourself to sleep at night so you can stan for Musk and "the management" but in these particular cases they aren't wrong, and it's Musk who should shut the fuck up already.. he is clearly is out of depth.
There's also the social contract that you get treated the way you treat others.
Maiden Voyage
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Well…see how that works in the corporate world…
NickFire
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From a different point of view, that could be what is happening to those getting let go. They did build and operate a platform that became widely used to get people fired for saying things they shouldn't have after all.
The rest of corporate doesn't seem to foster talking that way by doing it themselves, maybe there's a reason.
Bitmap Frogs
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StreetsofBeige
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I makes no difference if any bosses publicly shame an employee. You might not like it, but when it comes to that power struggle it's a one way street. Shit flows downhill.
If someone wants to go toe to toe with management or CEOs publicly, youre not wise thinking it's an even fight. One person in that battle will get fired. One wont.
As I said in one of my earlier posts, when it comes to working at a company, there's times to zip it. There's been times my bosses have said dumb things, or I hear all the crazy stories of account managers getting grilled behind closed doors for not hitting their targets. It sucks, but I've never seen one go on social media battling it out.
Musk has been around at Twitter for what? Two weeks? And people are already that hypersensitive at some of his tweets? Grow up.
All the stuff I read from no more free lunches, to firings, to the latest thing above about restructuring into new departments, hey that's how it goes. I've been fired at an old job too. So be it. I even had to train my replacement. They merged divisions, a bunch of us got let go. Similar to Twitter they even gave me 3 months lead time. And they hired some cheap newbies where I trained one of them to take over my job!
Who cares. I left in good graces. I even used my old boss as a job reference for future jobs. Smooth sailing. Why would I go on Twitter (which was just launching at the time) and tell the world?
akimbo009
Member
Who cares about your life story - honestly. We actually have specific examples in this with Musk who, even before the acquisition, was insulting the employees and now that he's there he's still insulting them, laying them off without any rhyme or reason, and apparently is such a cuck a few folks telling him he's wrong forces him to call HR and fire them cause his feelings are hurt. The guy lives in public, and if he can handle a little criticism in public then he shouldn't criticize others.
And I can make all the judgement calls on his behavior and his management style as I need cause this is an amazing look at the inside of this snowflakes head. Shutting down dissent has been his "thing" for a long time - even when he was telling his other employees at his other companies to come into the office or get fired when COVID was still underway. He's a brittle little man boy.
Look, these folks who are calling him out aren't losing sleep over it. They are talented folks in their own right, and who knows - maybe like Musk - they too are born of money.
DeepEnigma
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What goes around comes around, for every action there is a reaction, etc., etc..
If only that sunk in with most, but it sadly won't.
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dorkimoe
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I know people hate twitter, but i am a fan of it for sports news, tech news etc. I dont follow celebs or care about political stuff. I have to say..watching him fail and his $8 idea come crashing down is hilarious. This happens at my work too, someone new comes in and completely disregards all the work and research that was already put into place and thinks there idea is going to work. We literally had blue checks on accounts for a reason and he completely disregarded it
StreetsofBeige
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If people cant handle it then leave.
Believe it or not, most people during covid didn't get to work from home. Only SOME people who had laptops or could log in from home on their personal PC could do it. I know lots of office peers who still went to the office 5 days per week though my company shut down the building for two years. And we work in the same industry. And they have company laptops.
And coming back to the office after covid died down is not a tech only thing. Our company has done that too. In the US office, if people dont come back to the office 3 days per week, they are fired too.
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Applies to Elon as well. Treat your employees with respect and fairness and they'll tend to reciprocate. When the owner/CEO is acting like a childish clown, what signal does that send to his employees?
DeepEnigma
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Absolutely. It applies to all facets in life and nobody is impervious to it.
This is again the balance between free speech and consequence, which some call cancelling. Musk is showing how he wants the power imbalance to work.
A voice spoke a correction in a manner similar to Musk's own behavior. A mild reprimand, quiet note in the record, with a public thank you for the clarification would have sufficed. He went overboard and showed weakness. The failings of firing the people that correct mistakes and keeping the yes men has been rather well documented.
All this mass firing before Christmas is hilariously going to get into the fictional retelling.
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Free speech absolutism comes at you fast
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NickFire
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Absolutely true as well. Photo ops with a kitchen sink and public spats might get some of the lower level people on board with his plan / vision / whatever. But a spectacle like the ongoing show, with him playing Yosemite Sam, might result in the best people still there looking for more stable employment. It will also upset a lot of customers who didn't want to see changes to begin with, and make him lose face with people who gave him the benefit of the doubt on being a free speech proponent.
Toons
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Let's keep in mind Elon made many promises prior to this buyout, not the least of which was essentially that "free speech would be returning"
Since then he's fired people who work for him that dare to speak out against him, and set up algorithms that reprimand users for doing the same
DanteFox
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Free speech does not mean you can say whatever you want about your boss and not get fired lol. I think it's a great way of weeding out there employees who aren't really on board with the vision and are just looking for clout and props from the butthurt left wingers who are sad that people might freely say that men can't get pregnant.
StreetsofBeige
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I agree.
Some people just dont understand the corporate environment. Battling it out on social media (or the tweet at the top saying employees were ragging on bosses on a Slack channel which is documented) is a recipe for disaster.
I find it insane people are naive to this working at a big company. It goes to show the internal culture is like the wild west where people just say shit without thinking.
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Correct. But he's not just actioning employees, people just making jokes about him are getting hit.
It's also established in business and IO psych that employees take on the traits of their bosses. Elon is doing everything on his end in public, including interactions that should absolutely be handled discreetly. You can't expect his employees to take the opposite approach, particularly when they're being attacked and undermined.
These are educated, highly paid engineers with options, not drones.
Bitmap Frogs
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If Musk would not be badmouthing employees publicly on twitter nothing would have happened…
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“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yep. "Free speech absolutist" by his own description. Unless that speech is any form of justified criticism of him or his decisions.
I had no idea that Musk was so thin skinned and fragile.
Saiyan-Rox
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The more this goes on the more he's making himself look like a massive cunt tbh
He seems to definitely have small d energy the way hes getting on internally
He seems to definitely have small d energy the way hes getting on internally
Maiden Voyage
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I use it mostly during storms. It can be a great way to get updates. I would be sad to see it go for this reason. I would also love to see a much more pared down version created for the various gov't depts. No user accounts, comments, blah blah, just updates from these agencies like NOAA or your local parks & rec. It's essentially the only way I use it now.
dorkimoe
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I'd be down with that
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I use it to keep up with old coworkers and college buddies, and also because it's easier to reach some of my vendors (like friggin Microsoft Azure) via Twitter than it is using their paid-for channels.
Twitter is overall an awful, awful place in social media. But it has been embraced by business and is the easiest social media to use to keep up with old colleagues without having to be subjected to the boomer doom that is Facebook.
A colleague, who I think I mentioned earlier here or in another thread, was also fired yesterday. Even though he's a pretty young guy (I want to say 25 or 26) and was in a low level position. His groupchat was pretty curt so I have no idea why, but under Musk, who knows at this point. Maybe the guy buttered his toast in the breakroom in a manner Musk disliked.
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StreetsofBeige
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Twitter is great for laughs and seeing idiots ramble on.
But for normal news, I find Twitter is good for sports as you said. Best and quickest way to see replays of goals, or someone tweeting quick analysis on a game. I dont need to read a full 1-2 page preview or post game recap like on sports sites. Flipping through scores and some quick tweets what's happening in the game is good enough for me.
Rentahamster
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Whenever the Y-axis starts at a non-zero value or a value that seems disproportionate to the starting X-axis value, eyebrows should be raised. It's not always an indicator of misleading statistics, but it oftentimes is.
Your point?
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Toons
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A boss publicly demeaning his employees is just juvenile behavior unfit for the role, in any field, in any industry. If my boss even tried pulling that BS we'd drag him to hell and back.
It baffles me folks are defending Musk on this
Rentahamster
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I'm tempted to roll out that old trope of "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" that people like to say when it suits their position, but I don't know who it is most representative of most anymore lol.
DeepEnigma
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"freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"
I remember you used to say that a lot several years back. Wonder what changed.
Rentahamster
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I'm sure that a charitable interpretation of NI's remarks would be that NI still holds that position generally, but that he's just pointing out the irony of a self proclaimed absolutist like Musk now unable to live up to his absolutist ideals.
DeepEnigma
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Reminds me of all the non Christians who jump in and say "that doesn't sound very Christian" to a Christian.
And I am pretty sure Musk has always maintained the position that there are certain consequences for certain speech, nor do I think he's the one sitting at the keyboard personally actioning thousands of people.
The policies have not changed yet on twitter last I knew. Only finally, they added fact checking for more than just one side of the 'ganda war.
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Rentahamster
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It should. It's the same concept, yes. Pointing out when others are not living up to their stated ideals and not yet coming to terms with it or learning lessons from it.
He probably has, and to his credit he's outlined initiatives like the council to determine what is and isn't appropriate, but the messaging on that is currently so chaotic that the public perception, fair or not, is that he loves free speech, but only to the point where it doesn't embarrass him. Is that in line with most other normal people? Yeah probably. But it's not the kind of image one has of the "ideal" "free speech absolutist".
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Well first, the argument of "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" has absolutely nothing to do with how Musk is behaving and moderating others. That was for a more civilized time. He's being a complete hypocrite.
This so called "free speech absolutist" could be delivering what he claimed he wanted, but he rather arbitrarily blocks and silences people because they hurt his feelings. Twitter, the old guard anyways, at least provided reasons why they banned people even if they were sloppily defined. They provided a framework to their moderation and ethics. And mind you, it often took Twitter months to block very obvious bad actors. Musk on the other hand blocks people now in minutes, entirely because of their opinion. He's like Snowflake Prime. It's embarrassing.
Anyways, completely different scenarios. The former was a social media doing their best to act in good faith. Now it's just some dude reacting with his feelings. Unfair to try to draw any kind of comparison.
DeepEnigma
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If you don't share the same values or lessons, then it's hollow and a position holier than thou, more often than not in this hottake world.
Twitter has always been chaotic and a massive shitshow.
I don't believe that for on damned second. The actions and evidence do not line up, at all.
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