Resident_UA
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I'm sure that more "media outlets" will do this worldwide. The comment was especially bad though... + video
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I'm sure that more "media outlets" will do this worldwide. The comment was especially bad though... + video
NYCmetsfan
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They post everything from liveleak. I think. I remember them showing the dead bodies of the plane shot down in the ukraine
Pinchable Buttocks
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Not taking any sides here, but I'm having a hard time believing this. Those quotes he claimed was stated would be on par on what an average day is like at a workplace. No way he just pulled "collared green grill" out of his ass. Come on.
BFIB
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Morbid curiosity. Same as why people slow down to view a car wreck.
perfectchaos007
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Those screams of terror when he opens fire 
Rose of Eternity
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Because it's important and interesting to understand the world around you.
Some people feel that the only way to understand evil is to face it. Others are just morbidly curious.
Let's just say we go by some of his unconfirmed racist claims that are going around for the moment. None of them are any sort of comments that directed specifically at him. From all the other reports coming out, it sort of connects to the "gathered a reputation as a man difficult to work with / Looking for things to take offense to."
Ban guns.
Here in Italy they're showing the video on live TV, only it cuts off after he points the gun at her, but you can still hear the audio afterwards. It's just journalists being journalists, nothing to do with Russia.
That's my life mantra.
Here in Italy they're showing the video on live TV, only it cuts off after he points the gun at her, but you can still hear the audio afterwards. It's just journalists being journalists, nothing to do with Russia.
saw the video
if you are curious, even then don't watch. I am going for a long walk, see my girlfriend later hold her tight and spoil her today. Fuck the world.
That's my life mantra.
You don't see actual wounds, just people running away, still shocking.
Oh god, I didn't know there was a pov video, I just saw the news anchor one in the op. I don't need to see a pov video.
Arguing how much it matters in the context of global media coverage of shootings is perfectly valid. The fact that outlets are lowering the bar and setting a precedent by showing grisly footage of a murder from first-hand perspective, and giving disproportionate amount of coverage compared to past shootings to rope in the morbidly curious for ratings under the pretext of news is important.
You are not some moral arbiter who gets to dictate what people can and cannot post.
Yeah, I hope investigators look very carefully to determine whether he was actually being discriminated against by the station since I think that's relevant in some respect to where he was at mentally. Was he just borderline paranoid schizophrenic seeing racist plots against him everywhere he went, or was there some substance to his allegations?
ElectricBlanketFire
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First of all, you are taking sides.
Second of all, the general manager of a news station would not make things up on the air even if their own are part of the story.
Cc23830
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to be honest, I have absolutely no idea why I watched the POV video, but the fact that at 18 seconds he called her a bitch and then waited for the camera man to turn the camera back towards her makes me think all his anger was directly pointed at her.
The racist comments, whether being verified or not, don't justify killing two people.
thecouncil
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a description serves just fine, really.
hell, knowledge that it happened at all is just as well.
Horsemama1956
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What a strange thing to say or think. Seriously? wtf
Lost Fragment
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We live in a society that is fundamentally racist.
We also live in a society where many, many people are dumb/crazy as hell and go out of their way to be offended by things.
So I'm sure that the dude experienced legit racism during his life. It's impossible not to if you're black. But considering that this dude just straight up murdered 2 people on live TV and is, thus, demonstrably out of his goddamned mind, I don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, and I don't think "yeah but were those motherfuckers racist?" is a very appropriate conversation right now.
Good thing I didn't suggest that then!
Someone that is willing to murder former coworkers is probably a pretty difficult person to interact with in work situations.
Pinchable Buttocks
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Sure he wouldn't.
NoblesseOblige
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As others said, morbid curiosity. But also -- and I wouldn't blame you for calling f'ed up for this -- the POV video made it feel 'more real' to me. Without that video I probably would have just given this a cursory glance, maybe thought about it for 15 minutes. Perhaps I'm just desensitized to stories of deaths, but the POV video really cemented the reality of it to me. But I know I'm probably abnormal, so I wouldn't go as far as to recommend others watch it.
That is from 15 years ago at another station. He was fired from WDBJ 2 years ago so timeline is certainly an odd one. I mean Alison was barely out of college at that point and Adam I guess worked there and had a run in with him and complained to HR.
Interfectum
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So what are you saying, exactly?
Baron_Calamity
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I did and I still can't tell you. I didn't enjoy it. In fact I think its screwing me up.
Ok, part of me wanted to know what it would be like in that situation. Could I avoid death in that same situation? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
Really? You have trouble believing that the man who just shot 3 people and uploaded a video of it has anger control issues?
Man.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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So are you somehow implying these murders were justified?
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Watched the POV video. It's hard to understand that what I watched was the killing of two innocent people. Why are we so fucking cruel?
ElectricBlanketFire
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If any of it was true, lawyers would advise him to say nothing or "we cannot comment on the nature of that as it was a private matter within the station."
He wouldn't confidently ON THE AIR say it wasn't true during an investigation that isn't even a day old.
Pinchable Buttocks
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Exactly what you think I'm saying. No racism was hurled towards his way? At all?
Fuck no
LiquidSword
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RIP to the victims and to the friends of the victims in this thread stay strong. GAF is with you. This is just so devastating.
You sound like a clueless robot. Have some respect.
A lot of my coworkers were trying to take some comfort in how They would survive that situation given the whole picture. The reporters were totally focused on the story, so I can see how they didn't see him, but from what I saw he literally walked within 4 feet of them, gun out, pointed point blank. They were thinking the reporters should have seen the guy, but fuck man, who expects that? News feeds like that always have passerby's and curious people milling about.
karmaforgotme
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When you post things like this, you become part of the problem.
Also you saying 'Not taking any sides here, but...', reminds me of a racist saying 'I'm not racist, but...'.
Some higher-up at the station also said Alison was hired a year ago, and he was fired two years ago.
But she apparently interned there beforehand, so it's unclear at this time if he actually personally knew her.
Good thing I didn't suggest that then!
nrvalleytime
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Dude, and there's no reason to think he didn't make those things up. We don't know.
So let's stop speculating.
And we have to ask - why does that matter? One evil wouldn't even begin to necessitate another.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I'm in the first camp, minus the 'evil' label. I didn't WANT to watch a video of people dying, and it continues to disturb me, but I think the 'truth' of such an event only becomes understandable if we examine all the evidence. The video is simultaneously less horrific compared to what was in my imagination when I heard the news, and more horrific in the blunt directness of his point of view.
Ignatz Mouse
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You are confusing the quotes from a different station 15 years ago with the one he was recently fired from.
They guy may well have been fired from a racist workplace 15 years ago, but this station was investigated by the EEOC and didn't find any corroboration of his claims, even from other minority employees.
My thing right now is, who the hell cares if they were? Him killing two innocent people automatically supersedes any discrimination he might have faced in the workplace
Zabant
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Of course not, and I doubt anyone would argue that.
But if they're legitimate then the killings are a god awful symptom of a much bigger problem that has only gotten worse within the US in the past few years.
If this guy is mentally ill, there's a good chance that the racism he experienced along with the recent media coverage of cops shooting black people was what finally broke him.
Basically, it's a fucked up situation from whatever way you look at it.
I'd say you already have your answer based on his actions.
This news truly hurts me. I am so passionate about this industry and all the hard work these people put into their jobs. There isn't a lot of money in the field; enough to just get by and live a modest life, but the passion that you have for your job is what keeps you going. These are just two people who loved what they were doing, and they were punished for it. Just at a complete loss right now.
His Twitter had something along the lines of this:
"Allison made racist comments"
"They still hired her after that?"
So it seems like something happened before she was hired and he was just holding an insane grudge.
Corronchilejano
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I hope he lives to both face justice for what he's done and his case be thorougly analyzed and dissected.
Thanks for your great insight.
Maybe if you were really interested in helping friends of the victim instead of appointing yourself their moral guardian, you'd be more concerned about how footage of their friends' deaths is being breathlessly passed around by the media like a leaked sex tape.
I know, but that doesn't mean she said it to him.
Maybe she said racist stuff when she was an intern before she got hired as a reporter. Then they hired her, so he was upset about that.
Either way, nothing excuses what he did.
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