Glorious Ownage
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Feel the same way and these websites are showing screen shots of it right on the front page of these articles if you're just on a normal news site browsing around.
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Two Virginia television journalists fatally shot in on-air attack[READ OP]
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Feel the same way and these websites are showing screen shots of it right on the front page of these articles if you're just on a normal news site browsing around.
cpp_is_king
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I never stopped wanting to limit access to guns. Kind of like the rest of the civilized world
Correct me if I'm wrong but actually very few countries have an absolute ban on fire weapons for civilians, it's just really really hard to get one and your selection is very limited, as it should be.
How do you "test" concealed carry? Have the students go walk around in a Walmart while carrying?
There's also a background check and other considerations.
Freedom = $1.05
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Well see here's the thing right, it's really difficult for me to drunkenly drive my car into a classroom of children, into a church, into a movie theater, onto a college campus, into a high school, onto a military base, etc.
but boy is it easy for me to use a gun instead.
while your argument is essentially THIS OTHER THING KILLS TOO it's just deflecting really. keep your strawmen arguments elsewhere, discuss the merits of gun control here in a thread about 2 innocent people being murdered on live television by someone with a gun, while holding a camera, and did so in a matter of seconds with relative ease. When a drunken driver does the same thing we'll talk about it then, ok?
The American people lack it a lot, too.
Also, if the US turned into a fascist state those with guns would be quickly smashed by the army and police.
Pai Pai Master
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I am so fucking sick of some of these talking points. Guns are nothing like drunk drivers.
Yeah that Sandy Hook shooter, good thing he had that background check so he couldn't walk into a school and murder a bunch of children
We got background checks, people! No need for additional regulation.
Yeah that Sandy Hook shooter, good thing he had that background check so he couldn't walk into a school and murder a bunch of children
We got background checks, people! No need for additional regulation.
What's crazy to me is that people wouldn't be willing to find a new hobby even if it would save countless lives.
Yep. Stupid for posting anything that goes against the Liberal-GAF hivemind. The most opinionated and closed-minded people I've ever seen in my life. Yep, your opinion is right, mine is wrong and I'm stupid for even considering otherwise.
I guess those innocent lives of DUI victims don't matter because the driver didn't intend to kill them.
Where exactly do you draw the line? You can buy a lethal air rifle for about half the price of even the cheapest "real" guns. Again, you're asking me to just give away about $5000 worth of personal property due to a small group of others not being responsible. If someone told you to clear out your liquor cabinet for the same reason you'd rightly tell them to fuck off. But I'll be more polite since I know you don't understand what shooting a gun is like.
There are a lot of things in society that are completely unnecessary and that would save a lot of lives if banned. But we as a society have determined that the risk involved with those hobbies isn't enough to get rid of them entirely.
cpp_is_king
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Australia banned guns after a mass murder in the late '90s. And guess what? It worked there too. Amazing that things which make logical sense actually work, isn't it?
The only argument from people who don't want gun control is WAHHHHH, I WANT MY GUNS
These background check are a joke I have seen people make letter of recommendation to carry without hardy knowing this person. getting a gun is far too easy in this country.
ElectricBlanketFire
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i'm already getting this crap on my facebook
good lord can we maybe start a new thread for a gun control debate?
I want to reach through the screen and punch them, I want to respond and say the only reason you even care about this event is because the victims are white and the perp was black.
good lord can we maybe start a new thread for a gun control debate?
"People die from irresponsible gun usage. People die from irresponsible alcohol usage. Since irresponsible gun usage and irresponsible alcohol usage both cause people to die, they should both be dealt with in the same manner."
This is a pretty clear example of a tu quoque fallacy. Attempting to prove that legislating further restrictions of guns is hypocritical because we aren't trying to legislate further restriction of alcohol does not mean that restricting guns is an illogical line of thought.
Whether or not alcohol should be restricted is an entirely different argument from whether guns should be restricted. Even if they can both cause death, they do so in different manners and require different solutions to minimize harm while preserving personal freedom. For instance, I would propose that to drive a civilian car, one must blow into a breathalizer before the car will switch out of park. This solution would obviously not help much to solve the issue of death via gun. Likewise, requiring the usage of a gun safe to store guns would not help much to solve the issue of death via drunk driving. Notice how these seem to be separate issues even though they both cause death?
Zabant
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I just don't get how some people can be so attached to the hobby of seeing guns go bang and watching paper targets have holes in them, that they're willing to risk mass shootings every single day.
If you could theoretically kill people with video games in the way you could with guns (blu-ray ninja stars?), you damn well bet i'd give up my hobby for the betterment of humanity.
It's just pure selfishness.
If you could theoretically kill people with video games in the way you could with guns (blu-ray ninja stars?), you damn well bet i'd give up my hobby for the betterment of humanity.
It's just pure selfishness.
Drunk driving death's have seen a steady dropoff since the 80s. However, homicide firearm deaths over the same time frame have not seen a consistent dropoff and actually went up in the mid 90s before starting to fall off again. I'm also only looking at firearm homicides, not suicides which are also a very large significant number that might be trimmed down by firearm laws.
DrForester
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Something I don't get...
This didn't appear to be some big event that would be advertised in advance. The station manager called it a puff piece.
So how did he know they would be there?
This didn't appear to be some big event that would be advertised in advance. The station manager called it a puff piece.
So how did he know they would be there?
See my above post. Yep, no one has ever been killed inside of a building because of a drunk driver. Drunk drivers don't crash into buildings, ever. Right?
Anyway, enjoy your "discussion", GAF Hivemind.
Patrick S.
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Yeah, shooting a gun makes you a MAN, man!
BlazingDarkness
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Shocking.
America needs to make guns illegal.
America needs to make guns illegal.
Fenderputty
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Even as someone who owns guns, it's pretty apparent that it would be the most effective solution to gun violence. It's not something I'm for, nor is it something I think is realistic, but it would be effective.
Or you could call it personal freedoms.
cpp_is_king
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Nobody's asking you to give anything away. The government can buy it back. What then?
I come from a gun family. I've shot assault rifles (semi and full), handguns, rifles, shotguns, everything. I still support sensible gun regulations.
Air Zombie Meat
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You can still go target shooting in countries that have tight firearms regulations. I've done it in the UK myself.
We're not so much a hive mind as an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Not to mention prior to the Australian ban of gun, they had 18 Mass shooting in the past 17 years (or something close to that) after that, Zero Mass Shooting have happened (and Homicides and Suicides have had a steady decline) , but please let not talk about Planet X that doesn't have real people.
spookyfish
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That's something they need to figure out.
What does "tighten" mean?
According to Nancy Grace I know but he was waiting for them in the news channel parking lot.
This is such a bad post, good lord
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah but this is America not some commie euro country. I want to own my gun. When I shoot that fucking can I want to know it was MY gun and MY bullet. I wouldn't give that up, even if it saved thousands of innocent lives.
This.
And honestly, as a French dude, the governments in Europe have way more power over their citizens than the US government. Like if I had to bet on what countries are more likely to maybe one day turn into a fascist state, I wouldn't bet a dime on the US. My country has more chance to turn into a dictatorship than the US. And it's not even close. But again we're talking about infenitesimal chances. The argument doesn't stand.
Just ask anyone if they won't to repeal the gun laws. They'll laugh at your face. The only ones who want to allow guns again are the far right wingnuts who want to shoot muslim and black people and are absolutely convinced that we're heading for a civil war against " dem sand niggers ". They worship the american gun culture. Just shows you the kind of morons who agree with you when you're pro-guns.
It's worth quoting the full 2nd amendment:
The US Supreme Court has ruled that this guarantees an individual the right to possess firearms, but that ruling only happened in the mid-2000s. Conservative legal scholars only started arguing that interpretation in the 1970s iirc.
Rukes
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He was a former employee plus don't forget news crews, especially doing live video, travel in a branded giant news van with a satellite dish. Most likely he just waited near where the trucks were and just followed one to the destination.
Actually this may be the winner.
The idea of having the gun talk in a different thread doesn't seem like such a bad one right now...
Not quite sure on that either. Simplest guess would be having worked there, he would know where to stakeout and/or what specific van to follow.
Not quite sure on that either. Simplest guess would be having worked there, he would know where to stakeout and/or what specific van to follow.
No it's fun. Simple as that.
I also support sensible gun regulation. "Ban em all" is not sensible gun regulation. It's dumb fantasy tripe that will never happen.
helloresolven
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Followed them from the new station? They probably first meet at the station and then drive together to the location.
You know, we care because people are being fucking killed. :/
ElectricBlanketFire
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He clearly made time to plan this all out, so I would agree that is probably what happened.
Nialrot
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You do realize the poster was comparing all alcohol related deaths right?
Kod1ak said:
Not vehicle only.
Corrected information below.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics
All firearm is about 33,636 annually.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
yes, just because the majority of people are for something does not make it right
no, just because one illegal action causes more deaths than another (and in this case it actually doesn't even cause more deaths) does not mean that the other illegal action that causes a lesser but still unacceptably high number (in this case in reality the number caused by the perceived lesser danger of guns actually causes more deaths) of deaths should not be dealt with
simple enough?
Worth a classroom of dead kids fun?
Halcyon
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You say this assuming that the police and the military aren't on the pro-gun side of this issue.
karmaforgotme
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One of the bad side effects (one of many to be clear) of this incident is how many people (posting in comments on Facebook for example) I have seen that seem to relish that it was a black guy who went on a shooting spree to kill white people, and that it was possibly related to a racial issues. Like they can excuse what happen in Charleston now, because of this, or it gives them a chance to make statements that reak of closet racism. It seems white people now love to yell 'It's them being racist, not us".
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