UFC 134: Silva vs. Okami 8/27 |OT| The champ comes home

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The day it´s finally here. I going to get to the arena so early it´s not even funny. Gotta secure the best seat to watch the big screen (cheapest tickets).
Anyway, picks:
Silva, Shogun, Barboza and Banha.
I want minota to win, but I think we´re about to see another legend of the sport go down.

And this can easily become a long long night for the brazilians with:
Big nog getting ko´d into retirement, shogun being decisioned and silva being laid upon por 5 rounds. I hope not.

WAR BRASIL!!!!!!!!!!!
 
polyh3dron said:
if you call sonnen a "roider" you have to call hendo, couture and marquardt "roiders" as well. you have to apply the same criteria across the board.
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indeed, but i'd go so far to say that nearly all top level mixed martial artists are using some form of PED legally or illegally. if you want to be naive and think sonnen is the only one "cheating", go ahead.

Krzysztof Soszynski said:
"I would definitely say somewhere in the percentage of 85% of guys are definitely using, especially the guys who can afford it," Soszynski told AOL.com. "I would even go as high as 95 to 96% of the top-level athletes that are definitely using it. You can clearly see it."

"Ten weeks out, eight weeks out, six weeks out -- that's when all the training happens. That's when you're training at your hardest, at your peak. Every athlete who knows how to train properly knows they're going to have to taper off two weeks, two and a half weeks out from their fight so they'll be in perfect condition for their fight. All the hard training happens eight, ten weeks [from the fight]. That's the time when everybody's doing their drug abuse and that's when they're taking their testosterone and their steroids. That's when I think fighters should be tested."
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Gamebaron said:
Yeah, I agree. No fighter should ever disrespect another fighter's country. If he steps into Brazil, he will never come out.
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Why can't he? Someone is butt hurt over some awesome trolling. Implying murder is pretty low. Brazilians need to learn how to be thick-skinned. His act is to entertain and agitate people.

Anyhow, Sonnen was pretty respectful to Silva on the video ESPN put up.
 
AranhaHunter said:
Yeah I agree, I can see Okami LnP his way to a W like Sonnen almost did.
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WTF? Chael did not LnP his way to victory. He strait up whooped andersons ass for 4 1/2 rounds. Not only on the ground but on the feet too. People seem to think great wrestling=good ground game. There's a difference. Chaels ground game has glaring flaws.
 
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How the hell does this guy pass drug tests?


He is 1980's ripped.
 
yacobod said:
indeed, but i'd go so far to say that nearly all top level mixed martial artists are using some form of PED legally or illegally. if you want to be naive and think sonnen is the only one "cheating", go ahead.
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Yeah I'm familiar with Krysztof's claims (and Dennis Hallman's similar claims from last year), I just wanted to limit my argument to those fighters who have been confirmed to be on TRT.
 
sazabirules said:
Here's the video of Sonnen breaking down the fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW3x8uP6VjA&feature=player_embedded
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Sonnen being "professional" is LOL. His breakdown makes it seem like Okami has a striking advantage if he's in close or something. Like Silva's background in Muay Thai won't matter in close range. Okami basically has to pull a Serra and hit the lottery, or hope Anderson got hit with Father Time the last few months to win this IMO.

If Okami wins, it will probably go down as the biggest upset in UFC history. One guy on Sherdog put $1500 down to try to win about less than $300.
 
BigKaboom2 said:
Nobody will ever take this distinction away from Matt Serra.
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Eh, maybe, since Serra has since not done jack shit in his career since, it makes it look like an even bigger upset. Serra at least can throw down and trade punches so has that "punchers chance" when he fights. Okami has pillow fists, it would really surprise me if he did anything to finish Silva or could somehow outfight him for five rounds. I don't know, Okami is SO vanilla of a fighter, it just seems a lot harder for me to believe that type of fighter has a chance to pull an upset than anyone else who may be a much worse overall fighter.
 
TheNatural said:
Okami has pillow fists, it would really surprise me if he did anything to finish Silva or could somehow outfight him for five rounds.
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Who needs fists anyway?

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Not saying a KO is in the cards for tonight, but pillow fists is a little much for a guy with 9 knockouts out of 26 wins.
 
TheNatural said:
Eh, maybe, since Serra has since not done jack shit in his career since, it makes it look like an even bigger upset. Serra at least can throw down and trade punches so has that "punchers chance" when he fights. Okami has pillow fists, it would really surprise me if he did anything to finish Silva or could somehow outfight him for five rounds. I don't know, Okami is SO vanilla of a fighter, it just seems a lot harder for me to believe that type of fighter has a chance to pull an upset than anyone else who may be a much worse overall fighter.
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If we're talking straight odds, Serra was +700 against GSP. I doubt you'll even see those kind of odds on a UFC title fight ever again given the circumstances of his title shot.

That was Serra's first KO of a then 8 year pro career by the way.
 
But where have they come from? I count 7 TKO's in really small organizations before he was even in UFC. Here's his last 9 fights:

Win Nate Marquardt Decision (Unanimous)
Win Mark Munoz Decision (Split)
Win Lucio Linhares TKO (Doctor Stoppage)
Loss Chael Sonnen Decision (Unanimous)
Win Dean Lister Decision (Unanimous)
Win Evan Tanner KO (Knee)
Win Jason MacDonald Decision (Unanimous)
Loss Rich Franklin Decision (Unanimous)
Win Mike Swick Decision (Unanimous)


The guy just can't win without it being a decision, he's so vanilla. 7 of his last 9 fights going to decision and his only true KO was against a guy who had some major problems (RIP Tanner.) In fact his only two stoppages in UFC (not by the doc) were Tanner and Caleb Starnes. Unless its Jon Fitch, I don't know many more fighters who are considered top contenders more vanilla and unable to stop someone.
 
sien916 said:
If we're talking straight odds, Serra was +700 against GSP. I doubt you'll even see those kind of odds on a UFC title fight ever again given the circumstances of his title shot.

That was Serra's first KO of a then 8 year pro career by the way.
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I agree, Serra's upset probably won't be beat in pure caliber of fighter. Okami is a WAY better fighter than Serra. Based purely on the matchup and circumstances, what kind of punchers chance Okami has, and Anderson being in his home country, if Okami won this by stoppage it would probably be up there though.
 
TheNatural said:
But where have they come from? I count 7 TKO's in really small organizations before he was even in UFC. Here's his last 9 fights:

Win Nate Marquardt Decision (Unanimous)
Win Mark Munoz Decision (Split)
Win Lucio Linhares TKO (Doctor Stoppage)
Loss Chael Sonnen Decision (Unanimous)
Win Dean Lister Decision (Unanimous)
Win Evan Tanner KO (Knee)
Win Jason MacDonald Decision (Unanimous)
Loss Rich Franklin Decision (Unanimous)
Win Mike Swick Decision (Unanimous)


The guy just can't win without it being a decision, he's so vanilla. 7 of his last 9 fights going to decision and his only true KO was against a guy who had some major problems (RIP Tanner.) In fact his only two stoppages in UFC (not by the doc) were Tanner and Caleb Starnes. Unless its Jon Fitch, I don't know many more fighters who are considered top contenders more vanilla and unable to stop someone.
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Do you need to stop someone to be impressive? I don't see it that way.

I'd argue his wins over Munoz and TRT Marquardt say a lot more than knocking out Linhares and Tanner.
 
TheNatural said:
I agree, Serra's upset probably won't be beat in pure caliber of fighter. Okami is a WAY better fighter than Serra. Based purely on the matchup and circumstances, what kind of punchers chance Okami has, and Anderson being in his home country, if Okami won this by stoppage it would probably be up there though.
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Oh yeah definitely top 5. It sounds like a a screenplay, haha.
 
Here are my picks. Are prelims at 6 EST?

Main Card
Middleweight Championship: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Yushin Okami
Light Heavyweight bout: Maurício Rua vs. Forrest Griffin
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Lightweight bout: Ross Pearson vs. Edson Barboza
Light Heavyweight bout: Luiz Cane vs. Stanislav Nedkov

Preliminary Card (Spike TV)
Lightweight bout: Thiago Tavares vs. Spencer Fisher
Middleweight bout: Rousimar Palhares vs. Dan Miller

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. David Mitchell
Bantamweight bout: Raphael Assunção vs. Johnny Eduardo
Welterweight bout: Erick Silva vs. Luis Ramos
Featherweight bout: Yuri Alcantara vs. Felipe Arantes
Bantamweight bout:Yves Jabouin vs. Ian Loveland
 
All I want from this card is for the entire arena to break into an old school Carlson Sr. ZHOO ZHITSU ZHOO ZHITSU ZHOO ZHITSU chant. Preferably after a KO win.
 
sien916 said:
Do you need to stop someone to be impressive? I don't see it that way.

I'd argue his wins over Munoz and TRT Marquardt say a lot more than knocking out Linhares and Tanner.
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I'm not saying you have to stop someone, I'm saying how exactly is he going to win a fight going to decision with one of the best strikers in the world when he doesn't have near the striking ability. I just don't see a way he can win. I really don't think he's going to pull a Sonnen for 4 plus rounds. If he doesn't have the "punchers chance" I really don't see anything else that could make him pull the upset, unless Anderson got blindsided by father time in between fights. There's a huge gap between #1 and everyone else in the middleweight division.
 
TheNatural said:
The guy just can't win without it being a decision, he's so vanilla.
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Marquardt - KO'd once by Anderson with the help of a horrible referee standup.
Munoz - otherwise undefeated at middleweight.
Lister - never knocked out.

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MacDonald - KO'd several times.
Swick - KO'd by Leben and rocked by Paulo Thiago.

Maybe he could have KO'd MacDonald but otherwise those are some pretty resilient dudes.
TheNatural said:
There's a huge gap between #1 and everyone else in the middleweight division.
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There's a very very very small gap between Silva and Sonnen.
 
TheNatural said:
I'm not saying you have to stop someone, I'm saying how exactly is he going to win a fight going to decision with one of the best strikers in the world when he doesn't have near the striking ability. I just don't see a way he can win. I really don't think he's going to pull a Sonnen for 4 plus rounds. If he doesn't have the "punchers chance" I really don't see anything else that could make him pull the upset, unless Anderson got blindsided by father time in between fights. There's a huge gap between #1 and everyone else in the middleweight division.
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That's ridiculous. If Okami comes in with the right gameplan, he can definitely win. Doesn't matter how good a striker Anderson is, Okami will be able to take him down at will. Andersons weakness is a strong wrestler. Why poeple (like Franklin, Griffin, Henderson, etc) decide they want to stand with him is mind boggling when his weakness is so obvious.
 
TheNatural said:
I'm not saying you have to stop someone, I'm saying how exactly is he going to win a fight going to decision with one of the best strikers in the world when he doesn't have near the striking ability. I just don't see a way he can win. I really don't think he's going to pull a Sonnen for 4 plus rounds. If he doesn't have the "punchers chance" I really don't see anything else that could make him pull the upset, unless Anderson got blindsided by father time in between fights. There's a huge gap between #1 and everyone else in the middleweight division.
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Sonnen only landed 17 punches standing in almost 5 rounds. You don't have to stand and trade with Anderson to win rounds. Okami has to push the pace and make it drawn out, up close, dirty war of attrition to win. He has the tools and a tough chin to make it happen in my opinion. Is it a bit of a reach for him to get it done? Absolutely.

Upsets happen and Anderson will be perceived as unbeatable by many right up until he gets beat.
 
BigKaboom2 said:
Marquardt - KO'd once by Anderson with the help of a horrible referee standup.
Munoz - otherwise undefeated at middleweight.
Lister - never knocked out.

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MacDonald - KO'd several times.
Swick - KO'd by Leben and rocked by Paulo Thiago.

Maybe he could have KO'd MacDonald but otherwise those are some pretty resilient dudes.

There's a very very very small gap between Silva and Sonnen.
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What's your point? That Okami couldn't KO lesser fighters than Silva because they're tough, but would have a chance against Anderson?

And I really doubt there's only a small gap between Sonnen and Silva. I really doubt in a possible rematch he would catch him off guard with the takedowns again, or if Anderson wasn't at 100%, he would do that again. Sonnen also has a history of being extremely weak guarding submissions, as much of a late round "miracle" that was made out to be, it was only a matter of time before he got caught. Nate almost subbed him twice in the #1 contender fight, and with a little more time and gas, he had him in a tight guillotine choke that almost finished him, and Sonnen has been subbed many times before.

Every fighter has their matchup weaknesses, I'm not sure exactly what Okami has that is supposed to beat Silva tonight. I've never found the way he's fought particularly exciting or threatening.
 
Final Picks:

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And yes, Facebook prelims start at 6pm ET/3pm PT. Spike prelims start at 8pm ET/5pm PT and then the PPV begins at 9pm ET/6pm PT
 
I know I know I thought about it for quite a while. I'm thinking more of a TKO situation with too many unanswered blows rather than a KTFO situation though.

Machida had never been BEATEN, let alone KO'd until Shogun came along. Rua looks like he is is amazing shape. I don't think he'll have those same cardio issues against Forrest as he did last time, or at least not to the same extent.
 
BSsBrolly said:
That's ridiculous. If Okami comes in with the right gameplan, he can definitely win. Doesn't matter how good a striker Anderson is, Okami will be able to take him down at will. Andersons weakness is a strong wrestler. Why poeple (like Franklin, Griffin, Henderson, etc) decide they want to stand with him is mind boggling when his weakness is so obvious.
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Haha, I dunno about "take him down at will", especially considering the coach Silva has been using recently (Eric Albarracin). He knows what he's in for.
 
Jake McLargeHuge said:
Is Griffin getting knocked out by a man known for brutal knockouts that far-fetched?
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yes, but I think a TKO is possible.

My opinion still stands about Forrest ragequitting against Andy.
 
dream said:
All I want from this card is for the entire arena to break into an old school Carlson Sr. ZHOO ZHITSU ZHOO ZHITSU ZHOO ZHITSU chant. Preferably after a KO win.
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Nope, the chants are going to be a bit more vulgar if the weigh ins are any indicator.
 
sazabirules said:
Does Griffin just not enjoy fighting anymore?
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It doesn't seem like it, look at his interview with Ariel. That's another thing I'm factoring in here. He didn't look all that amazing against Franklin or Tito either.
 
polyh3dron said:
fuck that bitch, she had Brittany fired because she felt she was being upstaged.

Arianny is boring as fuck.
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Believe me Britney was my favorite but Arianny is amazing too no matter how cunty she may be.

Is that really true btw? I had heard that about another girl a few years ago but I hadn't heard that about Britney. I thought her problems came from being too chatty on twitter and such?
 
polyh3dron said:
fuck that bitch, she had Brittany fired because she felt she was being upstaged.

Arianny is boring as fuck.
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Whaaaa??? That was the reason? I wonder how many of the Fox guys she will be passed around to.
 
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