Uh-Oh, HD-DVD lands 4 movie studios support for holiday 2005
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Now I'm not sure about who "owns" bluray, but if it's primarily a Sony initiative, I'm not surprised that Warner are not jumping on board. It will be a long, hard war indeed. But for consumers, I don't think it's going to get going until well into next gen's lifespan. So gamers who have both PS3 and Xenon will be able to play all the movies anyway - that's something we can be happy with, right?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
cja said:Yes, I am saying just that.For gaming purposes I see no need for Blu-ray. Given the increased compression tech out there I expect all games to fit comfortably on a DVD-9. Only FMV whores will be disappointed. If needbe have another disc, it seems to be marketed as a plus in the movie business. I could make an argument that Blu-ray will be inferior to DVD-9 given the access and seek times for early BR models, that'll have to be put in some form of PS3, are likely to be slower than a 16x DVD model that could well find its way into Xenon, for example.
16x DVD ? I do not think we will see something faster than 12x DVD which is what currently is in the Xenon specs.
Still, there are multiple uses for a lot of raw data storage (and limiting ourselves to DVD-9 seems liek a 640 KB of RAM decision that I am still not happy about
) including faster loading times thanks to repeated shared data across the disc surface. Two DVD-9 discs might cost more than a single layer Blu-Ray ROM disc.You are pairing "beyond physically stable DVD" (there is a reason many do not want to push DVD beyond 12x) with very first generation Blu-Ray performance... not exactly fair, but you have to try to proove your point
.Goign both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD might not provide much more money if Blu-Ray wins
.But NEC and Toshiba do not and HD-DVD cost nothing to license while Blu-Ray costs an insormountable amount of money to do so.... :rolleyes.
Thos PlayStation 2 consoles are assembled in China, but chip production is still done in Japan: PlayStation 2 manufacturing is now not quite the specialty job they want to fill their internal fabs with, but a cheap and known procedure that cna be off-loaded to external contractors for a cheap price.
See the closure of CRT TV plans in Japan.
Rip-off or not (that depends on who you ask) 25,000 is still FAR below 39,800 Yen
.Then call it Home Server: there is the possibility of differentiating a Blu-Ray ROM based CE product like PlayStation 3 and a CE device with Blu-Ray Re-Writeable support and a big and fat HDD to provide true PVR functionality which is offered at a nice premium.
Gah, the old 640KB of RAM or we only need a handful of computers, "you're a luddite" argument! Irrelevant imho. It is fair to compare BR first gen versus latest DVD, with tens of companies having refined the read ability of current red laser products. It is likely that Xenon will go with DVD and it is certain that at least a few PS3s will be going with first-gen BR.Panajev2001a said:16x DVD ? I do not think we will see something faster than 12x DVD which is what currently is in the Xenon specs.
Still, there are multiple uses for a lot of raw data storage (and limiting ourselves to DVD-9 seems liek a 640 KB of RAM decision that I am still not happy about
You are pairing "beyond physically stable DVD" (there is a reason many do not want to push DVD beyond 12x) with very first generation Blu-Ray performance... not exactly fair, but you have to try to proove your point
That if is the sixty-four billion dollar questionGoign both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD might not provide much more money if Blu-Ray wins
I don't know what NEC/Toshiba are looking at in license fee money but I'd wager its less than Sony/Matsushita/Philips
Yes the EE&GS are the vital pieces of IP in PS2 and Sony say as long as they are kept in Japan they don't mind where the else is made. But, Dell and HP don't have such IP to make people buy a BR equipped PC, that IP comes mainly from hollywood studios
. Dell/HP or any other brand PC maker have to compete with OEMs who could well be offering their next-gen DVD equipped machines for $50 less. Now I'm not saying HD DVD-ROM is going to cost less than the BR equivelant but if it does they aren't going to put support for BR over market conditions in their business. I don't see HP, Dell, Toshiba or NEC as PC manufacturers having a big factor in which format "wins".Gosh, I try to be argumentative, be a devils advocate, and it's tough with such likeable commentssRip-off or not (that depends on who you ask) 25,000 is still FAR below 39,800 Yen
So, you feel that BR will come as standard on all PS3s? When SCE confirmed BR-ROM as a medium for PS3, that's what got my whiskers twitching, "a medium", of course you can argue ethernet, usb, memory stick enable other mediums so it wouldn't be right to call it "the medium", but that is splitting hairs. Nowhere in that press release did it state BR is standard on PS3.
open_mouth_
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*If* Microsoft goes with a hd-dvd solution for xenon, which doesn't seem likely at this point, it'd provide a huge boost for the hd-dvd group because the xenon will go on sale first and should reach a large audience before the PS3 even comes to market. I think it's more likely that Microsoft goes with a proprietary DVD format to thwart piracy and increase capacity.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
cja said:I don't know what NEC/Toshiba are looking at in license fee money but I'd wager its less than Sony/Matsushita/Philips
Of course... and it is MUCH MUCH less...
.Ok, we disagree on this one.
Gosh, I try to be argumentative, be a devils advocate, and it's tough with such likeable commentss
Is this a trick compliment
?I'll give you two clues in regards to what my opinion is:
First clue...
Second clue...
PlayStation 3 is internally known as PlayStation Next (or is it Next PlayStation... well one of the two
).The PlayStation 3 architecture will not be limited to BD-ROM and there is the space and the consumer demand (if they do not bork the product like they did with PSX) for a higher-end unit powered by a big and fat HDD and Blu-Ray Re-Writeable.
They have in the past differentiated between their next PlayStation system and the higher-end Home Server.
P.S.: I remember the announcement of the DVD-ROM/CD-ROM monolithic optical pick-up system, that was developed by Sony Electronics, before PlayStation 2 was revealed (the one that played both DVDs and CDs and that ended-up powering PlayStation 2). I think it is not too far fetched to think that SCE will take advantage of the BD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-ROM monolithic optical pick-up system, that Sony Electronics has already developed, in PlayStation 3.
Jade Knight 08
Member
HD-DVD = more advertisement and previews. Enough to turn people away.
sonycowboy
Member
Paramount will not release HD-DVD movies until sometime in 2006, plus a little more detail
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Unison said:
Price mainly.
sonycowboy
Member
Let's just say that Disney is getting a few calls
There are 7 major studios, of which New Line is not considered a major. It's a mid-major if you will.
Buena Vista Pictures Distribution;(The Walt Disney Company) In-Play
Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. Blu-Ray
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. Blu-Ray
Paramount Pictures Corporation HD-DVD
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation In-Play, but on the Blu-Ray board
Universal City Studios LLLP and HD-DVD
Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. HD-DVD
There are 7 major studios, of which New Line is not considered a major. It's a mid-major if you will.
Buena Vista Pictures Distribution;(The Walt Disney Company) In-Play
Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. Blu-Ray
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. Blu-Ray
Paramount Pictures Corporation HD-DVD
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation In-Play, but on the Blu-Ray board
Universal City Studios LLLP and HD-DVD
Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. HD-DVD
A little off-topic, but since someone mentioned the PSP earlier...does anybody actually think that the UMD format is going to take off? I honestly think it's going to crash and burn, it'll be lucky to half a fraction of the "popularity" Minidisc has. Who is going to re-purchase their entire film library only to watch it in a really uncomfortable manner?
Regarding HD-DVD vs. BluRay, I agree with Teiresias. HD-DVD is just a stop-gap, BluRay should win this thing.
Regarding HD-DVD vs. BluRay, I agree with Teiresias. HD-DVD is just a stop-gap, BluRay should win this thing.
Warm Machine
Member
1080p or bust!
Been wondering that one myself, esp. now that the picture is getting clearer about Cell and just how much Toshiba gets out of their participation. I suppose "It's Just Business" on some level but I can't imagine that the relationship is perfectly comfortable for all parties involved and I would think there's some potential for one project to be affected by one of the others.Helena said:
Mr_Furious
Member
I'm not looking forward to the battle of Blue-Ray vs HD-DVD any more than I did DVD vs Divx. Even though Divx never really got off the ground it posed a real threat to the market and how it handled its content. Not to mention the few heavy hitters that were all over Divx (mainly Disney and Fox) that provided exclusive content for a good while at the same time shunning the DVD format.
I was one of the early adopters of DVD but if there's anything I've learned from that is that I'll wait it out this time around and see who the clear victor is in the battle over HD disc formats.
I was one of the early adopters of DVD but if there's anything I've learned from that is that I'll wait it out this time around and see who the clear victor is in the battle over HD disc formats.
sonycowboy
Member
jedimike said:
Doubtful,
If you're going to include it, make it available for developers to use the same format across all systems. It would mean that games would HAVE to be made down to DVD-9 so that everyone could play it.
shpankey
not an idiot
Panajev2001a said:I am not betting
I am supporting the best format technologically speaking and so far it is Blu-Ray (raw storage-wise and video and audio codec-wise as well [inclusiong of the improoved MPEG4 AVC High Profile]).
I don't know shit about anything here, but then what was this comment supposed to mean then...
"After extensive research and careful consideration ... we have determined that HD DVD has the highest quality of performance and offers key advantages in the areas of durability and reliability," Warner Bros. said in a statement.
...???
Smiles and Cries
Member
I just want to know what my next Powerbook plays
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
The Porn industry has released it's own HD-DVD. Island Fever 3. The bitrate is like 6200kb/s
I got it to check the resolution out. Porn has a way of dictating the way the industry goes. HD-DVD needs only a renovation to existing plants to be manufactured. Blu Ray needs new facilities to be made
I got it to check the resolution out. Porn has a way of dictating the way the industry goes. HD-DVD needs only a renovation to existing plants to be manufactured. Blu Ray needs new facilities to be made
Everytime we get into these debates about the future of BRD/HDDVD the bulk of the conversation focuses on prerecorded Hi-Def content, as the primary indicator of succcess or failure. In that light, I would certainly agree with some who say it isn't enough, that the average consumer won't see enough of a difference and the majority of the market won't have the HD screens needed to even see it for a while to come.
But neither of these formats are simply offering pre-recorded HD content. Both appear to be putting as much emphasis on *single, cohesive* recordable/rewritable formats at access speeds that allow Tivo-like simultaneous record/playback of HD material as well as SD material, network connectivity is part of the package, with BRD formats specifically offering a java application layer for enhanced interaction, accessing new content downloaded from the network or perhaps accessing a company's online database to order other movies/products (i.e. "If you liked this movie, you might also enjoy...")
When all is said and done, what you have the potential to have with devices that support either format are the first really compelling examples of the "entertainment server" being discussed in another topic at the moment. You don't have to own an HD screen to get significant use out of a device that could record hours of DVD quality video on fairly cheap, removable media and still have room to spare to possibly store your entire music collection and photo album on the same disc. Combined with the depth of a Tivo-like guide/interface for finding/organizing/filtering/mastering content that could just as easily access material from the Internet as it could your home network, support for all CD/DVD formats and probably even slots for most flash media formats and you'd have something that's much more than simply "High Def DVD" that has the potential to appeal to a much larger market segment.
But neither of these formats are simply offering pre-recorded HD content. Both appear to be putting as much emphasis on *single, cohesive* recordable/rewritable formats at access speeds that allow Tivo-like simultaneous record/playback of HD material as well as SD material, network connectivity is part of the package, with BRD formats specifically offering a java application layer for enhanced interaction, accessing new content downloaded from the network or perhaps accessing a company's online database to order other movies/products (i.e. "If you liked this movie, you might also enjoy...")
When all is said and done, what you have the potential to have with devices that support either format are the first really compelling examples of the "entertainment server" being discussed in another topic at the moment. You don't have to own an HD screen to get significant use out of a device that could record hours of DVD quality video on fairly cheap, removable media and still have room to spare to possibly store your entire music collection and photo album on the same disc. Combined with the depth of a Tivo-like guide/interface for finding/organizing/filtering/mastering content that could just as easily access material from the Internet as it could your home network, support for all CD/DVD formats and probably even slots for most flash media formats and you'd have something that's much more than simply "High Def DVD" that has the potential to appeal to a much larger market segment.
Panajev2001a said:
No, Fox has not committed to either format. Their only involvement with Blu-Ray is in an advisor capacity.
Fox, Buena Vista, and Dreamworks have yet to commit to a format.
Universal, Warner, New Line, and Paramount are on HD-DVD.
Sony and MGM on Blu-Ray.
HD-DVD has New Line. Thus HD-DVD has Peter Jackson's 2006/2007 HD-DVD release of the entire LOTR trilogy. HD-DVD gets my money.
sonycowboy said:
You can downplay New Line all you like, but they made more money than their parent company over the last few years. They are also easily the top DVD-producing studio in terms of picture and sound quality. Only Fox comes close to what New Line squeezes out of the format.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
The Revolution will likeny not be a coup at all, and Nintendo likes to keep media and games separate most of the time.
If HD-DVD finds it's way into the Xbox Next, which stands to be a major contender to PS3 in North America next generation (Not to mention Microsoft's involvement with HD-DVD) then I will predict a huge leg-up for HD-DVD.
Also: I've read everywhere that it seems VERY likely for Disney to lend support to the HD-DVD side, and nothing to the opposite. Do you have links to Disney joining BluRay?
If HD-DVD finds it's way into the Xbox Next, which stands to be a major contender to PS3 in North America next generation (Not to mention Microsoft's involvement with HD-DVD) then I will predict a huge leg-up for HD-DVD.
Also: I've read everywhere that it seems VERY likely for Disney to lend support to the HD-DVD side, and nothing to the opposite. Do you have links to Disney joining BluRay?
radioheadrule83
Banned
I imagine a lot of these publishers will be prepared to release in either format. It's gonna be interesting to see where all the chips fall in the end.
What if Sony went with BluRay, and MS went with HD-DVD, and Nintendo actually got with the programme and chose one or the other. It'd be cool if what we're reading now had some kind of wide ranging impact next gen. There'll probably be hype whipped up for one more than the other though, there'll be frenzied consumerism and everyone would just fall in line eventually. Is it impossible to support both in one machine by the way? I don't know the technical details really
What if Sony went with BluRay, and MS went with HD-DVD, and Nintendo actually got with the programme and chose one or the other. It'd be cool if what we're reading now had some kind of wide ranging impact next gen. There'll probably be hype whipped up for one more than the other though, there'll be frenzied consumerism and everyone would just fall in line eventually. Is it impossible to support both in one machine by the way? I don't know the technical details really
Warm Machine
Member
I was under the impression that HD-DVD only supported 720p.
If that is the case, HD-DVD is already dead to me.
If that is the case, HD-DVD is already dead to me.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
I'm telling you guys, I studied on this in college. They will go with HD-DVD because it is cheaper to manufacture,case closed. Pervs go where the industry goes. If the most popular porno uses the format, please believe others will follow.
http://www.dustbury.com/vent/vent320.html
Americans love their porn. It's timeless, instant, and recession proof. Pornography is the basis for a multibillion dollar industry that services the sexual desires and needs of thousands. Pornography is the catalyst of technology, from the much-documented triumph of the VHS format over Betamax, to the modern expansion of DVDs and the Internet.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094788/
The adult industry's decision to embrace VHS in the early 1980s, for example, helped kill Sony's Betamax, despite the latter format's superior quality. The infant Internet grew quickly thanks to erotic chat rooms and bulletin boards to the chagrin of AOL, which sought to sell the online world as family-friendly.
http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v49/no1/johnson.html
The early home video rental stores, the outlets that drove Betamax from the market, were almost exclusively pornographic, drawing on the same clientele as early nickelodeons.(42) The same was true of home video sales.(43) It was not until the mid-1980s that first, local videorental stores, and next, national chains like Blockbuster entered the field with videos for the mass*market. By then, porn had shown the way. Thus, the victory of VHS over Betamax, and the triumph of video rental and purchase over time-shifting, is a rare example of pornography specifically adopting a product and a method of retailing that drove its competitor from the market.
http://www.cookefilm.com/resources/newsletter/Volume04_Issue07/
Media professionals remember that back in the days of the legendary battle between videotape formats VHS and Betamax, the final victory was won by VHS, but few know why. The reason, according to industry experts was that the porn industry made the decision to move to VHS, and because they were such a powerful force in video sales, Betamax (which many experts believed was a better technical format) disappeared off the scene.
http://www.networkmagazine.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=8703040
Why was the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) a commercial failure?
Pornography is the rather embarrassing answer. Though few will admit it, porn drives technology. Purveyors of "adult content" were the earliest adopters of VHS, DVD, and e-commerce.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,661094,00.html
You may disapprove of porn. But the spin-offs of the industry are all around you.
The camcorder and video machine you use to capture those memorable family moments - baby's first steps, weddings, holidays - use VHS tapes. US pornographers' decision to adopt the cheap convenient VHS - rather than rival Betamax - when the two systems were introduced in the 1970s killed off Betamax while sales of pornographic films drove take-up of video recorders.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2004-03-09-onlineporn_x.htm
The long partnership of tech and titillation precedes the computer age. Nude portraits were among the first photos taken. Middling VCR sales soared with the advent of adult videotapes. Porn peddlers promulgated the popularity of 900-phone numbers and pay-per-view television.
"Where there's sex and tech, there are sales," says Eric White, CEO of Virtual Reality Innovations, a profitable maker of cybersex toys.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1997/Jun-15-Sun-1997/business/5519527.html
They (porn businesses) are the ones who are developing the tools that the mainstream will use," says Donna Hoffman, associate professor of management at Vanderbilt University.
It's not a new role for the porn industry. Before the spread of home computers, the possibility of watching and recording sexually explicit material at home accelerated the development of the VCR, the video camera and video rental stores.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20010504.html#164500
To most, it's not news that the "adult entertainment" industry is among the first to adopt new advances in technology. Whether you're talking about the Internet in general, online credit-card transactions, or the inclusion of multiple camera angles in the DVD specification, the heavy-breathing masses are among the first to witness these spectacles. Here, once again, is evidence that these guys are at the top of their game. Directrix Inc. is pleased to let us know that Vivid Entertainment Group will employ the company's Directrix Content Delivery Network to stream every adult-entertainment video Vivid has ever made. Directrix's network makes use of Akamai Technologies Inc.'s globally distributed network of 10,000 servers intended to keep the source close to the end user. Yet another pioneering effort by the true heart of the bleeding edge of technology: video on demand over the Internet.
http://www.mediathinking.com/more/A60_0_1_0_M/
Porn drives broadband adoption
Like the printing press and the VCR before, porn is once again driving adoption of new technology. This time, it's broadband connections.
Excellent article on how porn and other rich media/entertainment are driving broadband adoption across Europe. The article provides a number of interesting statistics including
The writing is on the wall. HD-DVD is cheaper, HD-DVD wins. Sony and Microsoft have nothing to do with this. Actually, since their codec is on both, MS wins either way
http://www.dustbury.com/vent/vent320.html
Americans love their porn. It's timeless, instant, and recession proof. Pornography is the basis for a multibillion dollar industry that services the sexual desires and needs of thousands. Pornography is the catalyst of technology, from the much-documented triumph of the VHS format over Betamax, to the modern expansion of DVDs and the Internet.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094788/
The adult industry's decision to embrace VHS in the early 1980s, for example, helped kill Sony's Betamax, despite the latter format's superior quality. The infant Internet grew quickly thanks to erotic chat rooms and bulletin boards to the chagrin of AOL, which sought to sell the online world as family-friendly.
http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v49/no1/johnson.html
The early home video rental stores, the outlets that drove Betamax from the market, were almost exclusively pornographic, drawing on the same clientele as early nickelodeons.(42) The same was true of home video sales.(43) It was not until the mid-1980s that first, local videorental stores, and next, national chains like Blockbuster entered the field with videos for the mass*market. By then, porn had shown the way. Thus, the victory of VHS over Betamax, and the triumph of video rental and purchase over time-shifting, is a rare example of pornography specifically adopting a product and a method of retailing that drove its competitor from the market.
http://www.cookefilm.com/resources/newsletter/Volume04_Issue07/
Media professionals remember that back in the days of the legendary battle between videotape formats VHS and Betamax, the final victory was won by VHS, but few know why. The reason, according to industry experts was that the porn industry made the decision to move to VHS, and because they were such a powerful force in video sales, Betamax (which many experts believed was a better technical format) disappeared off the scene.
http://www.networkmagazine.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=8703040
Why was the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) a commercial failure?
Pornography is the rather embarrassing answer. Though few will admit it, porn drives technology. Purveyors of "adult content" were the earliest adopters of VHS, DVD, and e-commerce.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,661094,00.html
You may disapprove of porn. But the spin-offs of the industry are all around you.
The camcorder and video machine you use to capture those memorable family moments - baby's first steps, weddings, holidays - use VHS tapes. US pornographers' decision to adopt the cheap convenient VHS - rather than rival Betamax - when the two systems were introduced in the 1970s killed off Betamax while sales of pornographic films drove take-up of video recorders.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2004-03-09-onlineporn_x.htm
The long partnership of tech and titillation precedes the computer age. Nude portraits were among the first photos taken. Middling VCR sales soared with the advent of adult videotapes. Porn peddlers promulgated the popularity of 900-phone numbers and pay-per-view television.
"Where there's sex and tech, there are sales," says Eric White, CEO of Virtual Reality Innovations, a profitable maker of cybersex toys.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1997/Jun-15-Sun-1997/business/5519527.html
They (porn businesses) are the ones who are developing the tools that the mainstream will use," says Donna Hoffman, associate professor of management at Vanderbilt University.
It's not a new role for the porn industry. Before the spread of home computers, the possibility of watching and recording sexually explicit material at home accelerated the development of the VCR, the video camera and video rental stores.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20010504.html#164500
To most, it's not news that the "adult entertainment" industry is among the first to adopt new advances in technology. Whether you're talking about the Internet in general, online credit-card transactions, or the inclusion of multiple camera angles in the DVD specification, the heavy-breathing masses are among the first to witness these spectacles. Here, once again, is evidence that these guys are at the top of their game. Directrix Inc. is pleased to let us know that Vivid Entertainment Group will employ the company's Directrix Content Delivery Network to stream every adult-entertainment video Vivid has ever made. Directrix's network makes use of Akamai Technologies Inc.'s globally distributed network of 10,000 servers intended to keep the source close to the end user. Yet another pioneering effort by the true heart of the bleeding edge of technology: video on demand over the Internet.
http://www.mediathinking.com/more/A60_0_1_0_M/
Porn drives broadband adoption
Like the printing press and the VCR before, porn is once again driving adoption of new technology. This time, it's broadband connections.
Excellent article on how porn and other rich media/entertainment are driving broadband adoption across Europe. The article provides a number of interesting statistics including
The writing is on the wall. HD-DVD is cheaper, HD-DVD wins. Sony and Microsoft have nothing to do with this. Actually, since their codec is on both, MS wins either way
God's Hand
Banned
Yeah, HD-DVD is the clear winner. Why is Pana even attempting to defend Sony's product? It is better tech, I'm sure. It does have a better codec. But the licensing is where it's at.
I didn't know this:
As I said before, it's cool for gamers who have both platforms, but for non-gamers looking to buy a new player, it's going to suck big time.
So, there's no doubt this is going to be a long, stupid, drawn out race. It's going to be totally political. Sony, Fox and MGM will never use HD-DVD and conversely Warner will never use Blu-Ray. The only cross-platform players you might see would be independent 3rd party products - Sony would never be able to get a license to use HD-DVD, just as Toshiba will never get rights to put Blu-Ray players in their machines either.Nikkei said:
As I said before, it's cool for gamers who have both platforms, but for non-gamers looking to buy a new player, it's going to suck big time.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Keep in mind these are non-exclusive announcements.....all of these studios can release BRD movies although nothing has been announced...
More about this will be revealed @ CES
More about this will be revealed @ CES
Damn what a mess. I was considering purchasing a DVD recorder this week. With this news hitting the scene though I'm abit hesistant now. For the knowledgeable here-am I going to be burned if I buy this thing,or am I safe for atleast a few years with movie releases and blank recordable media to buy?
I'd hate to see my potential DVD recorder become a Beta Max of sorts should the industry leave DVD high and dry for greener pastures sooner than later.
I'd hate to see my potential DVD recorder become a Beta Max of sorts should the industry leave DVD high and dry for greener pastures sooner than later.
gollumsluvslave
Member
The way I see this folding out...just some IMO thoughts
- Piracy is only going to increase; DRM solutions for the new format will be a very important factor, major studios and the adult industry (for Agent Icebreezy) will be saying to HD-DVD/Blu-ray - "enough about the quality, we want to know how this will protect our assets"
- Unless MS spring some hefty subsidies from Toshiba I can't see them having HD_DVD in Xenon, not at launch - maybe 2006 when PS3 launches add a new variant even that is doubtful.
- I don't WANT a new format if the drive is going to give the poor read performance seen in the Xbox DVD drives (the worst part of the system), and with regards to the storage question, just look at the PC space - Half-Life 2 came out on 6 CD's - if storage is a problem next gen we'll get multiple DVD-9s. DVD has been mainstream now for 4 years or so, and PC's still haven't moved there!
- PS1 used CD, but CD was already the standard at that time.
- PS2 introduced DVD, but DVD was already the next gen standard at the point (no credible competitors)
- VHS machines have just been phased out in the UK (high-street retailers) and many consumers are complaining. DVD will have at least another 5-6 years as the king media, which should be more than enough time for another console gen.
- It will be interesting to see where the HD war sits come Xenon launch - my guess is it won't have moved much further forward - still a pretty even state. And both MS and Sony may rue going for either HD techs, rather than staying with DVD.
- To most consumers DVD is not an aging tech - it's pretty darned new.
- Piracy is only going to increase; DRM solutions for the new format will be a very important factor, major studios and the adult industry (for Agent Icebreezy) will be saying to HD-DVD/Blu-ray - "enough about the quality, we want to know how this will protect our assets"
- Unless MS spring some hefty subsidies from Toshiba I can't see them having HD_DVD in Xenon, not at launch - maybe 2006 when PS3 launches add a new variant even that is doubtful.
- I don't WANT a new format if the drive is going to give the poor read performance seen in the Xbox DVD drives (the worst part of the system), and with regards to the storage question, just look at the PC space - Half-Life 2 came out on 6 CD's - if storage is a problem next gen we'll get multiple DVD-9s. DVD has been mainstream now for 4 years or so, and PC's still haven't moved there!
- PS1 used CD, but CD was already the standard at that time.
- PS2 introduced DVD, but DVD was already the next gen standard at the point (no credible competitors)
- VHS machines have just been phased out in the UK (high-street retailers) and many consumers are complaining. DVD will have at least another 5-6 years as the king media, which should be more than enough time for another console gen.
- It will be interesting to see where the HD war sits come Xenon launch - my guess is it won't have moved much further forward - still a pretty even state. And both MS and Sony may rue going for either HD techs, rather than staying with DVD.
- To most consumers DVD is not an aging tech - it's pretty darned new.
Can blu-ray play old DVD's yet? If not, then fuck it.
Normal consumers (ME!) don't give a rat's ass about it if we have to have.....now 3(!!!) separate machines in order to play different formats. If both of them can play my old dvd's then I don't really care which one wins.
Normal consumers (ME!) don't give a rat's ass about it if we have to have.....now 3(!!!) separate machines in order to play different formats. If both of them can play my old dvd's then I don't really care which one wins.
sonycowboy
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MrSingh said:
Porn has been released on every single media ever invented. They were on Laserdisc, Betamax, all those damn CD based movie discs, probably 3/4 inch Nuematic.
my god people.. enough with fox already.. they are in an advisory position with blue ray AND HD-DVD.....
so can we stop siding fox with solely blue-ray already...? either leave them off the list completely (which is what SHOULD be done being they haven't announced movie support for either) or put them on both sides being they sit on both committees...
so can we stop siding fox with solely blue-ray already...? either leave them off the list completely (which is what SHOULD be done being they haven't announced movie support for either) or put them on both sides being they sit on both committees...
sonycowboy
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borghe said:
The DVD forum is NOT the HD-DVD organization.
Sony's leverage is that unless the PS3 fails, it will be the best-selling BR player by a country-mile, much like the PS2 is the best selling DVD player by a mile. There's a guaranteed install base there, and since both HD formats will have to fight DVD's entrenched base, I don't see how HD-DVD really stands much of a chance in the long term. That and I think BR is clearly the better format. Not by a huge margin, but it's got more going for it. I don't even think Sony is looking for next gen to be big on BR, I think they're more hoping to shoehorn 100M BR players into homes with the PS3 so that their format has a large established base by the time HDTVs really kick off late next gen or with the PS4. Just my opinion, it seems like the only real reason to put a drive in the PS3. PEACE.
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gollumsluvslave said:
Porn is among the most heavily bootlegged now. Dude, don't you understand that like 80% of pornos have no protection on them whatsoever? I'm sure that they will care, but given the fact Microsoft is on board for both of them and their DRM is giving people hell in cracking it, they will go with what is cheaper to make.
sonycowboy
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borghe said:
No, it's not. It was approved by the DVD forum, but they are NOT the same organization. Every single member of the Blu-Ray Organization is on the DVD forum, most in leadership positions.
Are you saying they're on the HD-DVD board?
ok.. this is really annoying.
I just posted you the minutes of DVD Forum Steering Committee Meeting for 9/22/04.
It was the 27th meeting of the committee.
In it it said stuff like
HD-DVD is being drafted and created by the DVD-Forum. The same members, AS EVIDENCED BY THE MEETING MINUTES (if you would read them) are working on HD-DVD as worked on DVD. It is one and the same.
I just posted you the minutes of DVD Forum Steering Committee Meeting for 9/22/04.
It was the 27th meeting of the committee.
In it it said stuff like
HD-DVD is being drafted and created by the DVD-Forum. The same members, AS EVIDENCED BY THE MEETING MINUTES (if you would read them) are working on HD-DVD as worked on DVD. It is one and the same.
gollumsluvslave
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Which is exactly why DRM will be a big factor IMO.
Which is exactly why DRM will be a big factor IMO.