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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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Camp Freddie

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Acorn said:
Where did the lab bounce come from? Don't knows?
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I think that we'll see a few 'shy Labour voters' instead of the usual 'shy tory' bias.
A lot of people don't like Corbyn and don't want to appear to support him, but they'll still vote for him to keep the Tories out. I did a survey recently, and had to begrudgingly admit that I'd rather have Corbyn as PM than May (the political equivalent of "would you rather be blind or deaf?")

I wonder how adding a house to your means-tested care will work for the Tories. On a practical level, how do you value the house as an asset and avoid people under/overvaluing it to either qualify for means-tested benefits or else go HAM on top-of-the-line BUPA care which is paid for by a bad loan against a 'paper mansion'.
I guess the Tories think they've already won a comfortable majority, so they're happy to put their cuntiest policies in this election so that their 2022 manifesto can be a bit nicer.
 
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Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
I think the new false hope that will destroy Labour supporters on election day is that Corbyn will do well enough to suggest people like his policies.


I've been burnt too many times in recent memory when it comes to the nature of the UK electorate, I fully expect the massive May landslide that was originally predicted (and then some).
 
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Number45

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Did I read it right in the Tory manifesto that they were going to make it more expensive for companies to recruit skilled NON-EU staff? I though the assumption was that non-EU would pick up the slack from the reduction in EU migration to the UK?
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Crab said:
It was a joke, I just switched "Corbyn" and "Farron", and then "Liberal Democrats" and "Labour" from an old article to reflect the change in polling.
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Fake news!

My hunch with any outlying poll is to treat it with caution until further polls are released. The question has to be 'why does this poll show a big swing towards Labour today when yesterday there was no sign'? Why is May's polling rate still at 49% in that poll when it came down? Why is UKIP's rate lower than the Greens?

And yeah, ID at polling stations is textbook suppression.
 
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War Peaceman

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Number45 said:
Did I read it right in the Tory manifesto that they were going to make it more expensive for companies to recruit skilled NON-EU staff? I though the assumption was that non-EU would pick up the slack from the reduction in EU migration to the UK?
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only fools expected this.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Number45 said:
Did I read it right in the Tory manifesto that they were going to make it more expensive for companies to recruit skilled NON-EU staff? I though the assumption was that non-EU would pick up the slack from the reduction in EU migration to the UK?
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But, like, everyone will be Non-EU in under two years. Or, rather, their relationship to us will all be the same whether they're from Austria or Australia (see what I did there? Cause they sound quite similar already). So looking at it as a EU migration vs non-EU migration thing doesn't make much sense anymore.
 
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Ghost

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Looks like they are dropping free school lunches for infants? At the same time as saying they're moving to the centre and not being all about the free market anymore?

How can anyone swallow this garbage?
 
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cabot

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Feels like the first speech May made when she became leader.

Left wing rhetoric, but then fails to deliver.


Classic.
 
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War Peaceman

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CyclopsRock said:
But, like, everyone will be Non-EU in under two years. Or, rather, their relationship to us will all be the same whether they're from Austria or Australia (see what I did there? Cause they sound quite similar already). So looking at it as a EU migration vs non-EU migration thing doesn't make much sense anymore.
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The conservative manifesto makes the distinction between eu and non eu* immigration so what you say isn't relevant.

*obviously to keep it flexible for brexit negotiations
 
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slider

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I've quite an intense dislike for May. Although admittedly a lot of that is because of the situation she's "found" herself in.

I get the sense that she's trying, but failing, to do some good. But, from an initial feel of her tenure, it all seems a bit muddled. I don't really know what the Conservatives are about except a hardish Brexit.

Edit: Actually, reading my post back I don't think I can backup that trying to do good claim right now. Will look into it.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Ghost said:
Looks like they are dropping free school lunches for infants? At the same time as saying they're moving to the centre and not being all about the free market anymore?

How can anyone swallow this garbage?
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They are scrapping all of the little Lib Dem things that were added in the Coalition. 4/10 infants who got those lunches were below the poverty line. Instead that money will be recycled into the school system.

The vast majority of the Tory voting don't care about the details of their manifesto - blue rosette, Brexit, job done. So you get obviously backwards stuff that is not picked up on.
 
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CyclopsRock

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War Peaceman said:
The conservative manifesto makes the distinction between eu and non eu* immigration so what you say isn't relevant.

*obviously to keep it flexible for brexit negotiations
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To keep it flexible and because they can't do anything to EU migration even if they wanted to - until we leave.
 
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Look out for the new Tory buzzwords "tough" and "fair". Expect to see them parroted by every talking head in the media soon.

edit: also "mainstream" instead of working class
 
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CCS

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The Tory manifesto is weird in that there's a fair few smaller pledges I agree with (changes to pensioners' entitlements in particular), but I hate all the headline stuff :p
 
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sasliquid

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Apparently the section on Shale gas extraction and fracking is over twice the size of the section on protecting the global environment
 
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RetroDLC

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Mayism is just the name of the question mark chiseled on your headstone when the whole graveyard is uprooted to make room for horse stables.
 
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JonathanEx

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I'm trying to decide if Labour branded their policies as mainstream in the same way (based on public support and PR bullshit) if that would get comparative coverage for the term, or overly criticised. It's a clever cynical move.
 
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Mr. Sam

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JonathanEx said:
I'm trying to decide if Labour branded their policies as mainstream in the same way (based on public support and PR bullshit) if that would get comparative coverage for the term, or overly criticised. It's a clever cynical move.
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My rule of thumb: the left plays on hard mode.
Filthy Tory casuals. They've even got "friendly press" enabled. Pssh.
 
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FlammableD

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Stolen from Twitter:

"The #torymanifesto effect on non-EU migrants - £2000 per person to hire you, NHS surcharge of ~£1000 p/a, £18k spouse visa limit going up.

So basically either work in the city finance sector, marry a rich person, or get out. Expect this to apply to EU workers too after Brexit."
 
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JonathanEx

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Mr. Sam said:
My rule of thumb: the left plays on hard mode.
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True. And with that metaphor, it doesn't mean the game's not worth playing, but you'll need to be confident you can still score some points or whatever and is that better than losing oh no sorry I've ruined this
 
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FlammableD

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Another manifesto quote:

"We will put a responsibility on industry not to direct users to hate speech, pornography, or other sources of harm"
 
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Acorn

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If they limit use of "mainstream" it could be subtly effective. Most people want to be known as normal, mainstream etc. Has the bonus of othering anyone opposed too.

Ofcourse they'll use it liberally and create an other meme so...
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Vox pop: are folks actually going to watch the leader's debate tonight - and why?

Yes personally, as it's my hope that Farron does well, but also because Nuttall is going to get clowned on.
 
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TimmmV

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FlammableD said:
Stolen from Twitter:

"The #torymanifesto effect on non-EU migrants - £2000 per person to hire you, NHS surcharge of ~£1000 p/a, £18k spouse visa limit going up.

So basically either work in the city finance sector, marry a rich person, or get out. Expect this to apply to EU workers too after Brexit."
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Would this be paid by the individual or their employer?
 
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Par Score

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Huw_Dawson said:
My hunch with any outlying poll is to treat it with caution until further polls are released. The question has to be 'why does this poll show a big swing towards Labour today when yesterday there was no sign'? Why is May's polling rate still at 49% in that poll when it came down? Why is UKIP's rate lower than the Greens?
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Oh I agree about not getting excited over a single poll, but all of the polls have been consistent in showing a gradual move towards Labour since the election was called.

The reason for the big jump here is Ipsos' last poll was 3 weeks ago now, so it reflects the totality of the movement since then.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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naweednrahman said:
I think labour are gonna surge in polls soon.
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That depends on May and the Tories more than Corbyn. I am not sure if it's possible for the majority of the public to forget how shambolic his party has been over the past two years, but this is May's race to lose.

I'd say the Lib Dems are like doing a Dark Souls level 0 run with permadeath. It is ultra hard mode and you also can't make any mistakes.
 
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