The Tories were already briefing that they expect Labour to overtake them in the polls. Maybe their internal numbers themselves in an even worse position.
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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The Tories were already briefing that they expect Labour to overtake them in the polls. Maybe their internal numbers themselves in an even worse position.
OverBlood 3
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If you have the guts for it check out the Guardian front page.
That isn't going to happen if they aren't taking any votes from the Tories.
Yeah, two really shitty choices. Quite depressing.
Unless all the people that signed up vote Labour. 😂
Monty Mole
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Corbyn saying "I'm no dictator"? What's so bad about that?
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Need to see that Tory % drop below 40 for there to be any real chance of a Labour win. It would take a massive blunder from May for that to happen now.
Coriolanus
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doesnt look too bad. what did you see?
OverBlood 3
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Why even mention it? Of course he's not a dictator.
"JEREMY CORBYN...says he's no DICTATOR"
then 2 negative points about his performance then 1 positive point about May.
Also, I just noticed it's £2??
Did anyone think he was a dictator?
Shame she isn't doing face2face she would get slapped.
Huw_Dawson
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What a vacuous statement.
Please don't just write a one liner decrying someone for bias. It's drive-by shitposting.
Fernando Fernandez
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No wonder those shits are always begging for money.
I will write what I like if it's in the rules of Neogaf. I like how you skipped out my bit explaining why I don't write much. I also like how this was a one liner before you edited it.
Anyways back to talking about May.
Well, the vast majority of them will. There's a reason the Conservatives haven't once put a message out there encouraging people to sign up.
Yeah, it's going to be closer then the Tories liked. But they will still win, what we hope for is they don't get majority.
Huw_Dawson
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You're just coming off as hostile now dude.
Like I said, don't write a one liner attacking someone for bias. It's shitposting.
Well given the focus on the Labour party manifesto not being in complete agreement with Corbyn's views, yes for some reason Paxman and a lot of people out there seem to think that being party leader means being some sort of dictator who stamps out opposing views.
Not hostile, just saying how it is, I don't get annoyed by randoms. That's just agree to ignore each other
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On another topic, damn there are so many Tory ads on YT. Now they have May with some random happy music.
Coriolanus
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I don't think he really thinks that at all, he just saw what he thought was an easy win. It came across as a very weird thing to go after him with and made it look like he didn't have much ammo if that was one of the best questions he could think of.
It's an effective contrast to what Theresa May is trying to portray. Trying being the key word.
Bonen no Max'd
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been getting excited about this after all the doom and gloom when this was called.
OverBlood 3
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People that watched that debate now get to see the gears on the spin machine move.
Watch how the media completely misrepresent what happened.
Watch how the media completely misrepresent what happened.
Mail and Times front pages tomorrow are a sight to behold...
Huw_Dawson
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This is the issue with the Tory attack lines in this election in general - it's all been "Corbyn is useless/a member of the IRA" etc.
People have a set of good reasons to vote for Labour, whereas they only vote for the Tories if you're that English loyal unshiftable Tory voter or a Brexiteer.
Much like the Lib Dems not having the ability to project themselves loudly enough in this election has compromised them the Tories have failed to find a good attack line on Labour, and that's compromised them.
May will still be PM on the 9th - I'm becoming more convinced that the closer the polls are the more they are out. 52% of the public voted to leave, and the vast, vast majority of them will vote Tory to get their pure Brexit, unsullied by logic.
But this election has opened up nasty wounds, and I think the portents of a repeat of Major's term - a solid win followed very quickly by a disaster that they fail to recover from - are looking very solid right now.
Can see the Daily Mail headlines tomorrow:
Corbyn swears at small business owner afraid of Labour tax laws!
Corbyn refuses to cut immigration!
Relaxed May draws laughter from the audience!
Theresa May receives standing ovation after debate!
Don't think it's so much that they haven't found a good attack line. There is plenty of material they can attack Corbyn with, and they have. It's just that people seem to have become tired of these tactics. Repeating "Strong and Stable" ad nauseam made them into a laughing stock to the point where she avoided using that phrase at all in these debates (well, she did use "strong" quite a few times) and people have heard all about Corbyn's IRA links already for the last one and a half years.
Coriolanus
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Actually, from the mail
bolded is the massive headline and all the rest in tiny font after a pic, because of course.
However, the readership aint taking it, best rated comments are pro-corbo. hm.
Dirtyshubb
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The wife went out with a friend earlier and he mentioned a recent story about him stepping in on a guy hitting his wife with a shoe on Wimbledon High Street and after calling the police he called a friend who works at the cctv monitoring centre to see if they could see what was happening.
Turns out they couldn't because around a THIRD of the system has been shut down due to budget cuts.
Had a look online and found this article from last year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-westminster-council-scrap-cctv-government-cuts-a7058671.html
How has this not been picked up more? Especially with the whole 'keeping our streets safe' narrative at the moment.
Turns out they couldn't because around a THIRD of the system has been shut down due to budget cuts.
Had a look online and found this article from last year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-westminster-council-scrap-cctv-government-cuts-a7058671.html
How has this not been picked up more? Especially with the whole 'keeping our streets safe' narrative at the moment.
Huw_Dawson
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I like this Indy article on the polling problem:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...oss-very-wrong-again-be-careful-a7760951.html
Election night is going to be a surprise no-matter what, I think.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...oss-very-wrong-again-be-careful-a7760951.html
Election night is going to be a surprise no-matter what, I think.
OverBlood 3
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We have some of the worst newspapers in the world. Fucking shower of shite, hurry up and cease to exist.
This is absolutely disgusting
Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised by the comments section. Similar thing happened during the junior doctor strikes too, DM blasting the doctors while the comments were calling out their BS.
The spin...it's making me dizzy
It's surprising how often DM completely misread their audience. I often see the comments disagree heavily with their spin.
Basically the next week is a battle of the pro Tory press versus word of mouth of those who actually pay attention. I fear it will basically be deadlock and the polls will just stall.
Zvonimir Boban
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I like the Scottish Daily Mail front page:
"Corbyn waves white flag on union"
Hmm, isn't that what a lot of Scots want?
'No deal is better than a bad deal' is such an effective line. Plays right into people's euroscepticism and belief that we're better than those on the continent. We're Great Britain, we don't need any of that weak negotiating shit.
I reckon that May will break off talks after a few months, just as soon as the EU can be blamed for the breakdown of them, probably over demands for payment.
I reckon that May will break off talks after a few months, just as soon as the EU can be blamed for the breakdown of them, probably over demands for payment.
Coriolanus
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self-selection probably plays a role. if you the kinda person that keeps up with the DM online and also watched the debate, youre most likely already quite a bit more politically aware than the folks that just buy the rag erry other day or so. Double that if you muster the energy to write a comment.
wouldnt read too much into it, is what im saying
Audioboxer
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A lot of Scots think it should go to the vote again given Brexit, but the DM is framing that in a way that aims to smear Corbyn. Just because he's diplomatic about the situation doesn't mean it's a "white flag". The guy doesn't support Scottish Independence.
If Scottish Labour wanted to attempt to court some of the SNP votes they'd do a better job of empathising with the disillusioned up here. Not try and follow the Tories and beat voters over the head for daring to challenge the Union. Other counties in our position would be 'challenging' their Union if Brexit was voted for.
Just the DM doing the DM. It's the "Corbyn is a national security threat" of Scotland. "Corbyn is Union threat". Even if Scotland careers off to be a vote about independence and Labour voters go Conservative in the North, it appears some sanity may prevail for the rUK and May will have damaged her party enough to tank some of the lead.
Monty Mole
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As someone who is in the centre, Corbyn easily won that debate. I was actually interested in his answers, which unlike Theresa, weren't just a bunch of PR sound bites cobbled together. I like how he pushed back on Paxman and called him out on some of the ridiculous questions. I also like his integrity, where he wouldn't be pushed to say that immigration would definitely lower, despite it being the populist view currently in the UK.. which makes me think that his other policies aren't maybe populist-driven after all.
I've really warmed to Corbyn during this campaign, after dismissing him previously.
I've really warmed to Corbyn during this campaign, after dismissing him previously.
BossDarkseid
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The guy who said he was a proud mancunian with salt of the earth parents? Felt kinda weird to me to say that and then also cry out at the prospect of Corbyn outlawing zero hours contracts.
Or the living wage...i mean I suppose we obviously don't know what his business is like but it seemed very in a bubble "I got mine" sorta thing where he didn't care about paying poor wages or some exploitave contract.
scotcheggz
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Let's not beat around the bush, he sounded like a repulsive human to me. To go on national TV and actually show the nation your opinions are so shit is quite amazing. It was totally "I got mine" and it was a disgrace. He basically straight up said "I have a business and I couldn't give two fucks about my staff now I've made it".
Jezzas answer was worrying for a bit though, he started off almost attacking him. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm fully aware that's not cool for a politician really... Reigned it in slightly though in the end.
Monty Mole
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Yes not a good idea to attack because there will be hundreds and thousands of people watching who share the same opinion as that bloke. And Jeremy needs to convert them not attack them. That said, it felt more like Corbyn was just being passionate with his response.
OverBlood 3
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I think he was right to challenge him on his views because who wants to see him being soft of someone like that? The guy didn't like the response but it's the truth.
Monty Mole
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I thought the Guardian were liberal lefties?
Huw_Dawson
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The BBC Debate is in 2 days and we still don't know who Labour are sticking up.
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