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You need Jam and manhole covers stat man, your marriage is at stake here!
UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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You need Jam and manhole covers stat man, your marriage is at stake here!
Who can possibly resist.
When you go home to read Marx together and then he gives you this look....
PJV3
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I like your wife.
Huw_Dawson
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Give in to the darkness, Quiche.
The people spoke and they wanted to throw the shit into the fan, mate.
anonymous_abc
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Haha
whyamihere
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Nate Gold chimes in:
I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing (he never says), but interesting none the less.
@NateSilver538
The HuffPost average shows Conservatives only 3 points ahead. Those adjustments make a huge difference for some polls.
I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing (he never says), but interesting none the less.
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They make the adjustments for a reason. If unweighted polls were of any value, Ed Miliband and Hillary Clinton would be Prime Minister and President respectively.
Royal_Phalanx
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Why do you want austerity? It's a failure. The UK has an unacceptably high number of people living in poverty and using food banks. Public services are getting worse. If you have children you should consider what kind of country you want to give them, now that they may not be able to easily escape to the EU if the country is shit.
Huw_Dawson
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^^ Exactly what Crab said.
Audioboxer
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Dozens of 'em
A grass roots movement to shake the SNP
Nice of them to all go to the same sign maker and rain jacket supplier.
whyamihere
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It actually seems like he has more complicated thoughts on the matter, given that he says he has more complicated thoughts on the matter.
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I look forward to what he says, but bear in mind his performance in the 2010 UK election.
The parties in Scotland are a joke outside of the SNP who certainly aren't great by any measure, all they talk about is IndyRef 2. That's all the leaflets say, every news interview. People are fearful of the future, Brexit already passed, if IndyRef2 happens, you get a vote, it's not a given. How about doing something else, what's so fucking great about Brexit?
Coriolanus
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it doesn't, in no small part because shit already has hit the fan. Everybody's just waiting to see how much of it will be thrown right back at them. With luck, some might even manage to cover their faces a bit. Maybe.
whyamihere
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Oh, I know, but I'm curious to see what he has to say, which is probably about the assumptions that pollsters are making on turnout.
I don't understand how people think.
Brexit is going to be bad short term and maybe long term or both so public finances will be terrible and austerity won't stop, possibly get substantially worse and people seem to not realise this, think it's sunshine and rainbows outside the EU, don't care as long as EU stops meddling in their idiotic viewpoint of what the EU does for them, hate foreigners that much. People are actually okay with this?
If May doesn't get her wish list from the EU, who do the public blame, themselves, the government, the EU for not handing out free memberships. Unless there is an Ace up our sleeve, we are just going to live the next ten years worse off for no good reason and if any fucker tells me to get on with it or blame the EU, I will rage.
Brexit is going to be bad short term and maybe long term or both so public finances will be terrible and austerity won't stop, possibly get substantially worse and people seem to not realise this, think it's sunshine and rainbows outside the EU, don't care as long as EU stops meddling in their idiotic viewpoint of what the EU does for them, hate foreigners that much. People are actually okay with this?
If May doesn't get her wish list from the EU, who do the public blame, themselves, the government, the EU for not handing out free memberships. Unless there is an Ace up our sleeve, we are just going to live the next ten years worse off for no good reason and if any fucker tells me to get on with it or blame the EU, I will rage.
I feel like I'm missing something here - how did he get to the £915,000 figure?
Also, I don't see what the guy said that was so wrong. He brought up some legitimate concerns.
He's just another selfish rich bloke. He wants all the money for himself, and wants others, even his own employees, to get as little of it as he can possibly let them get.
Why shouldn't you pay VAT on private school fees? Is it an essential service? We charge it on tampons ffs.
Zero hour contracts basically just exist to trick people into thinking that unemployment is lower than it is. What good is a job if you don't know if there's going to be work for you to get paid doing until you turn up?
What's wrong with paying people a living wage of £10 an hour? Or are you ok with people in full time employment in this country still not having enough money for them to live on?
I refuse to believe this guy ever voted Labour. He's as far from it as you can get.
The number one answer to anyone having difficulty understanding why others vote in a way that damages their own interests is this: People are idiots.
However, what they do understand is short, simple messages that require no further thought. 'Strong and stable', 'no deal is better than a bad deal', '£350m will go to the NHS instead of the EU' and so on.
I really wish that Labour would go on the attack and start discrediting the Tories the same way they do Labour. 'Weak and wobbly', 'Can't protect the country' etc. Just frustrating for them to constantly turn up to a gun fight with a knife.
Is this image supposed to invoke laughter?
Royal_Phalanx
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The lack of resistance even from Remain voters to Brexit is quite depressing. Nobody has the courage of their convictions to fight for their beliefs anymore. It's all "oh, we sawed halfway through our leg already so might as well finish cutting it off" rather than stitching that leg back up and staunching the bleeding. I absolutely hate that attitude.
Only legitimate concerns if A. You hate the idea of a living wage and B. Have kids in private schools.
Guess what not many people do.
His legitimate concerns that he couldn't exploit workers on Zero Hours contracts?
His legitimate concern that he would have to pay VAT on private school fees?
His legitimate concern that corporation tax would be going back to previous levels?
He couldn't vote for Labour because he has no principles in common with the Labour Movement.
I didn't know that existed, that sounds horrible.
Audioboxer
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I'm preparing GAF. Tories to get like 10 seats in Scotland
rUK makes inroads to marginalise the Tory reign, Scotland proportionally says hold our beer whilst we "undo" some of that work.
So working without being payed then?
Sounds like community service. That's the most tory thing ever.
Totally agree. Especially on the living wage. Folk get worked up about the impact on business (especially small businesses). But, if it stops a greater degree of exploitation - bearing in mind the Marxist mantra on employment - I'm all for it. There's gotta be a better ending on the other side.
They call it a back to work scheme. You only get the £74 a week benefits you get when on the ESA and nothing more. Even if you are working 25hrs.
It's weird because if you find a job outside the scheme you can work up to 25hrs before your benefits get stopped. So you are getting paid for work and your benefits.
9 days until the election. Still don't even know the name of the Conservative candidate running in my area.
Not surprised. Even with the Conservatives going for Labour heartlands, they'd be going up against a well-liked incumbent with a 10,000 majority here.
FAKE EDIT: Just had a quick peek at the Conservative candidate's website. "Theresa May's candidate for [area]", plus a picture with the propped-up PM herself. Wonder how that's going for him now.
Not surprised. Even with the Conservatives going for Labour heartlands, they'd be going up against a well-liked incumbent with a 10,000 majority here.
FAKE EDIT: Just had a quick peek at the Conservative candidate's website. "Theresa May's candidate for [area]", plus a picture with the propped-up PM herself. Wonder how that's going for him now.
Chocolate & Vanilla
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I pay all my new starters £20k a year. Whether that's customer service, junior developers, warehouse. Annual incremental payrises as well.
Even from purely a capitalist point of view, Happy staff = a better and more productive work environment.
If they aren't stressed about finances, or tired from having to work a second job and they feel positive about the workplace I provide, it is a positive for my business.
Funnily enough what it leads to is people volunteering their own time. I never ask anyone to stay late but people often do of their own accord.
Guess what i'm saying is treat your staff well, pay them enough to live without worrying if they can pay their bills, and they will look after you too.
Even from purely a capitalist point of view, Happy staff = a better and more productive work environment.
If they aren't stressed about finances, or tired from having to work a second job and they feel positive about the workplace I provide, it is a positive for my business.
Funnily enough what it leads to is people volunteering their own time. I never ask anyone to stay late but people often do of their own accord.
Guess what i'm saying is treat your staff well, pay them enough to live without worrying if they can pay their bills, and they will look after you too.
You gleaned this information based on his 20s camera time? Hmm.
I don't know enough about this issue to comment, so I won't.
Zero hour contracts can be useful for people who want to work flexible hours (students, for example).
The people who work at the warehouse at the company I work on are all put on zero hour contracts initially with the option to moving to guaranteed hours contracts after their probation. Only 30%~ish have made the jump - the rest stayed on their zero hour contracts because they prefer the flexibility.
McDonald's also did a trial recently and found..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...moy-fast-food-chain-job-workers-a7702816.html
Only 20% chose to move, so the other 80% must find some benefit to being on a zero hour contract.
I also have a friend who does some work on the side for a marketing agency. He's on a zero hour contract so he can adjust his schedule around how busy/tired he is. He benefits from them too.
Zero hour contracts shouldn't be abolished - they should be regulated to prevent abusive employers from abusing them.
The IFS released an interesting article about the £10 minimum wage recently - https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9205
I want everyone in the country to be able to have enough money to live well on - there's just questions whether raising the minimum wage is the best way to do it.
Faddy said:
The IFS released an article about this too - https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9206
The tldr:
With Brexit on the horizon, I don't think it'd be a good thing if businesses started investing less into the UK.
MaccyD employees were on zero hour contracts?!?!?!?!?
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but yeah, I think my part-time wouldn't exist if £10 minimum started happening. But then it depends, it might affect people's purchasing power whilst no increasing the prices of the stock immediately. £10/h is a little less than what I made 2nd Year of Uni and that was awesome. It felt very rewarding to make that kind of money as a student (on top of Maintenance Loans ofc).
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but yeah, I think my part-time wouldn't exist if £10 minimum started happening. But then it depends, it might affect people's purchasing power whilst no increasing the prices of the stock immediately. £10/h is a little less than what I made 2nd Year of Uni and that was awesome. It felt very rewarding to make that kind of money as a student (on top of Maintenance Loans ofc).
electroshockwave
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The lack of resistance is depressing but it is also realism. Some judges had the audacity to rule that Brexit had to go through parliament and they were labelled "enemies of the people". There's no stopping the Brexit train because any attempt to do so will be called undemocratic. Even though the Leave majority was slim a good portion of Remainers aren't going to be passionate enough about staying in the EU to want to turn over the referendum.
Unfortunately, the only way I see minds being changed is for Brexit to be a disaster. Even then I could see it being like Kansas in America where Republican economics are ruining the state but "they just need more time to kick in" and "at least it's not a Democrat in charge!"
Doctor_Thomas
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Zero hour contracts also mean that if the business no longer needs you they can just get rid of you, it means you have no right to employment, it means that you can be "hired" to fill a quota without actually being used and, thus, get paid nothing.
It's nonsense. The taxed version of a dodgy cash in hand job clearing a house with your uncle.
It's nonsense. The taxed version of a dodgy cash in hand job clearing a house with your uncle.
I had a zero hour contract for a short period at the great eastern (now Andaz) for P.E. That shit sucked and it basically turned into the 90% Polish employees trying to work 55h+ weeks.
I was able to quit exactly when I needed to, however.
I just don't think it's particularly healthy as a part-time unless those jobs are in an abundance.
I was able to quit exactly when I needed to, however.
I just don't think it's particularly healthy as a part-time unless those jobs are in an abundance.
More people I know have recently built up the courage to post about how they've been using food banks for the last year even people I thought were doing well. It's legit shocking.
I will never ever expect the Tories and their surrogates in the media to ever talk seriously about why people in the UK are using food banks in 2017.
It's a non issue for them. And sadly I'm thinking a fair amount of their voters as well. The Daily Mail/Sun 'people on benefits= 'scroungers' has done a real number on a lot of people's thinking.
And all the " catch a benefit cheat" shows, it's disgusting
Ravensmash
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It's disturbing how many shows like that exist.
The descriptions are so incendiary but I caught five minutes of one and I actually felt empathy with the people shown - probably not the intention.
My only guilty pleasure in that vein is Can't Pay? We'll take it away!
Royal_Phalanx
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Overall poverty rate is 16.8% in 2014, not surprised.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...h/articles/persistentpovertyintheukandeu/2014
Worse than the "stagnating" economy of France for instance.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...h/articles/persistentpovertyintheukandeu/2014
Worse than the "stagnating" economy of France for instance.
But Austerity is working though...
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