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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Great SNP/Tory 'signplay' on the previous page. Well played by both sides.
In other news, the UK is on the wrong side of history, again:
In other news, the UK is on the wrong side of history, again:
Faisal Islam said:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870389773067837440
Guerrillas in the Mist
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What is it about tabloids and pulling out Diana once every couple of months...
Scousefury
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Middle class familys £650000 cap... middle class... who are these people? Oh wait i remember fucking London and its house prices....
I don't know but it's either that or Madeleine Mccann.
That's just the special relationship, we do whatever the Americans say to do.
Miles Quaritch
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The self loathing is off the charts! Jesus Christ...
lol'ing at the 'middle classes' having over £650,000 to leave to their families and therefore be upset by this.
Jesus H. Christ!
I did realise what he was saying fairly quickly, but in fairness to the audience they start booing as soon as he mentions the EU because it's the point at which it becomes obvious that he's saying what they thought he was saying, but they couldn't quite believe.
Miles Quaritch
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Maybe not £650k, but with house prices the way they are, a fair few are probably in the £400k+ region.
Freewheelin'
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That Britain Elects map is horrifying
Things could go much, much worse.
Why shouldn't the people who inherit this money pay tax on it? Perhaps it should be progressive with a much lower starting figure.
Certainly a fairer idea than the Dementia Tax.
i'll never understand why people who will never see money like 650,000 if they worked their entire lives and saved every penny somehow would give a shit about exactly where on the spectrum between an impossible sum and fantasy money something like inheritance tax sat.
Miles Quaritch
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Everyone should accept Labour will not win, it's more about making sure/hoping the Tories don't get a huge majority.
Yep, sadly it seems that we only want our independence from the EU. Being ruled by America is fine though.
well he's already called her tonight and she refused to sign the EU statement instead promising to make her own any minute now.
it'll be interesting to see what she says
Miles Quaritch
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We used to have a somewhat decent inheritance tax system, Tories changed it.
I agree with you though.
Coriolanus
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yknow, i can't manage to be angry at people like this because... the man is so horrendously scared. He emanates a palpable, concrete fear of the other, and it seems to completely control his mind.
I'm left wondering what the fuck led him to that point.
Huw_Dawson
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Britain Elects has a relatively cheery prediction. Tories gain maybe 30 seats but otherwise nobody is seriously punished.
Perhaps the Dementia Tax will put it back on the agenda with a progressive solution rather than a health lottery.
Probably having it rammed down his throat by the papers for years
Jezbollah
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Given what Rudd said about the Environment last night (pretty much agreeing with Caroline Lucas) it doesn't make any sense at all that she wouldn't sign it - if it transpires she had an opportunity to sign it that is.
Government sources were spinning that she was invited to sign it but didn't because she wanted to make her own statement.
https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/870393670327054336
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/870399690260574208
It's the same every time.
The right will say absolutely anything they need to in order to persuade an uneducated public of their claim to be in power. Anything - they'll stoop to lies, they'll blame the people either unable or unlikely to speak for themselves, they'll stir up whatever division they can. They don't care about any of it, so why not, just say anything and get into power to do the important things like reduce corporation tax and cut down on social responsibility expenditure whereever they can so that they can further cut down on tax, and continue to make more money. It is a monolithic joke.
And it works most of the time, because people are uneducated and ugly. They'll take to whatever nonsense message the right sends out - oh yeah this election is about having a strong Brexit, whatever that means. They have no idea what it means, they didn't when they voted for it and they don't now and they won't when it happens either. A lot of them will continue to vote for the right regardless.
You can't deny this. You can't deny the right are still manipulative liars when Theresa May goes out and talks about how Jeremy Corbyn wants to raise taxs on working families, when in fact his tax increases would effect less than 100,000 people in the UK, because that is all who earn enough to fall into his cutoff. She says working families because a poor mum and dad who work 45 hours a week each and don't understand the voices of their neighbours won't have the inclination to look up what she means. They'll just think, without thinking, that she means them, and their hand will drift, without thinking, to put a mark for the Tories on election day.
This is what the left doesn't do. They put out more complex messages, often leavened by concessions to the right, which is regrettable, but they can't quite bring themselves to demonize people who are ultimately victims in the remorseless machine. They try to put out answers, or at least ameliorations, to the problems that are obvious to everyone. They get slammed by a corporate media, and they get ignored by a public who isn't educated enough to care. They just want someone to blame for their dissatisfactions.
The left could make the right the ones to blame, one day, because it's the truth. I hope I get to see it happen.
The right will say absolutely anything they need to in order to persuade an uneducated public of their claim to be in power. Anything - they'll stoop to lies, they'll blame the people either unable or unlikely to speak for themselves, they'll stir up whatever division they can. They don't care about any of it, so why not, just say anything and get into power to do the important things like reduce corporation tax and cut down on social responsibility expenditure whereever they can so that they can further cut down on tax, and continue to make more money. It is a monolithic joke.
And it works most of the time, because people are uneducated and ugly. They'll take to whatever nonsense message the right sends out - oh yeah this election is about having a strong Brexit, whatever that means. They have no idea what it means, they didn't when they voted for it and they don't now and they won't when it happens either. A lot of them will continue to vote for the right regardless.
You can't deny this. You can't deny the right are still manipulative liars when Theresa May goes out and talks about how Jeremy Corbyn wants to raise taxs on working families, when in fact his tax increases would effect less than 100,000 people in the UK, because that is all who earn enough to fall into his cutoff. She says working families because a poor mum and dad who work 45 hours a week each and don't understand the voices of their neighbours won't have the inclination to look up what she means. They'll just think, without thinking, that she means them, and their hand will drift, without thinking, to put a mark for the Tories on election day.
This is what the left doesn't do. They put out more complex messages, often leavened by concessions to the right, which is regrettable, but they can't quite bring themselves to demonize people who are ultimately victims in the remorseless machine. They try to put out answers, or at least ameliorations, to the problems that are obvious to everyone. They get slammed by a corporate media, and they get ignored by a public who isn't educated enough to care. They just want someone to blame for their dissatisfactions.
The left could make the right the ones to blame, one day, because it's the truth. I hope I get to see it happen.
Monty Mole
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She didn't sign it because then we wouldn't be at the front of the queue anymore.
Just imagine the compromises that will be made when trying to agree that final US trade deal.
Brexit was in part about racism and xenophobia.
More and more I think it is simply down to voter apathy that Remain lost.
More brexit anti-immigrants were passionate about voting.
Audioboxer
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SLY DEATH TAX TRAP!
It's like they have some fear propaganda word generator to just launch shit at a wall.
Based Sturgeon is calling it out at least
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/870394719137910785
And Trump too
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/870365309236064256
Pyroclastic
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obviously I would rather it be less, but that's nowhere near my nightmare scenario. I would almost be relieved if that turns out to be the total.
Wtf...why is he so jumped up? Does he not realise that the genuine racists who voted for Brexit would also see him as a hostile immigrant because he looks "foreign"?
Huw_Dawson
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That map is the baseline for not terrible for any party. Lab gets over 200 seats, the LDs are up 2, SNP still have a healthy representation at Westminster.
Best case scenario - limited Labour losses, a decent return of LDs (respectable would be 16) and limited Conservative gains in Scotland.
Audioboxer
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That's still going to make the election night painful.
I think Dugdale is pretty awful, but I'd much rather see Labour gains. If Edinburgh goes Conservative a Trident nuke area will be detected.
Huw_Dawson
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Absolutely. Tory gains benefit nobody. I want LD gains in Scotland, but I hope the SNP holds firm vs the blue tide.
Audioboxer
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It's okay LD gains would be acceptable too in Scotland. Anything but Tory tbh. Which is what we're getting. I can understand due to indyref2 people want to vote for a Unionist party. But, FFS Scotland, every party except the SNP and Greens oppose indyref2.
We've always had Tory voters but to actually think we have enough current voters of Labour swapping over to Tory to get them multiple seats is a bit mental.
Just look at the local elections in Scotland and the swing from Labour to Conservative. They must be pumping some good drugs into the Irn-Bru and Buckfast. Strong and stable Buckie and Bru.
Roberto Larcos
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I know we go over this a lot, but what are your hopeful gains for the Lib Dems? Assuming Southport and Richmond Park are gone, that's 7. If Norman Lamb struggles (as he might in a pro-Brexit seat), that's 6 - so 10 gains on top of that.
Charlie0108
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Fuck sake, I didn't know mine and my parent's constituencies were both likely to change to Tory. What the fuck are you doing, Coventry?
chromatic9
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Farron's tweet tonight
"If the special relationship between the PM and Trump exists, it exists for moments like this.We need to make him see sense on climate change
Sorry Tim, you, May and anyone else on the BBC debate last night could not talk Trump and others in the US to change their minds.
If you heard the entire US announcement today you should know.
"If the special relationship between the PM and Trump exists, it exists for moments like this.We need to make him see sense on climate change
Sorry Tim, you, May and anyone else on the BBC debate last night could not talk Trump and others in the US to change their minds.
If you heard the entire US announcement today you should know.
travisbickle
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Digging around on that electoral calculus website what are the chances of labour winning back copeland. Like if the tories lead shrinks to like to the mid single digits is it possible that Labour wins it back? It would be embrassing for the tories to lose that consitutency after winning it in a byelection in Feburary.
Bonen no Max'd
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so if Labour doesn't win, but does much better than expected and picks up a bunch of seats, is Corbyn supposed to step down? And if so, should we expect a bunch of MPs running for his position positing themselves as his successor?
Coriolanus
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no one quite knows how corbo will react right now. If labour added to its seats however, it wouldnt be that surprising if he chose to stay in charge.
i'd say how future candidates will behave depends quite a lot on voter turnout. If these masses of young people do go out and vote, one would have to be quite goddamn stupid not to follow in his steps to some extent.
I'd be very surprised if any of Coventry went Tory.
As I've been going on to Crab about how awful Scottish Labour are, I should make clear that I agree with this. They are awful, but Dugdale does at least have her heart in the right place, which isn't something I can say about any of the Scot Tories at the moment.
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