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[PowderedToast]

what a depressing night

"if a nuke was fired at us would you press the button to kill millions of innocents in the attacking country who had absolutely nothing to do with the nuclear war?"

absolutely idiotic

 

[ferrasvansen]

Have faith Crab. With luck, there's more people like that woman who slammed the audience for wanting to kill millions, than the others who wanted to kill millions.

Given that it's women who are swapping sides in large numbers, more than likely that will continue unlike those hot headed nuke loving morons tonight. Never seen an audience with a smattering of nuclear war fans before on tv.

 

[curls]

How the fuck did we as a country turn so quickly to say "you need to kill millions of people, mostly innocent and say it right now or your a terrible leader"?

I've come to the sad conclusion that most people are actually mentally ill. :/

 

[StayDead]

That isn't how nuclear defence policy works.

If you are unwilling to nuke your opponent as a first strike, then they can continuously threaten your position with nuclear strikes.

You end up in a permanent state of brinkmanship.

You have to be willing to deploy a nuclear attack. You have to be clear on when you would do it.

Or, we go as a modern world for the complete disarmament of weapons of mass destruction that serve no purpose in the modern world. Honestly, I hope history looks back at the past 100 years in absolute disgust. I can't believe that we even as a society thought making a weapon so powerful if used it would kill millions of other human beings was the right thing to do.

It's utterly disgusting and it makes me ashamed to think our species are happy to think about killing millions of other people as a good and right thing to do.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

That isn't how nuclear defence policy works.

If you are unwilling to nuke your opponent as a first strike, then they can continuously threaten your position with nuclear strikes.

You end up in a permanent state of brinkmanship.

You have to be willing to deploy a nuclear attack. You have to be clear on when you would do it.

That is all bollocks in reality.

Nukes will only ever be used on other countries who also have nukes.

Nukes don't stop nukes.

Firing because someone threatened to fire can turn what could be an empty threat into a GUARANTEE.

Firing because someone else fired first will do what exactly?

Its all bullshit.

The truth is, whether you fire first, or someone else fires first, there is no fucking winning in nuclear warfare.

 

[Ushojax]

He should have promised to murder millions of people because it's politically expedient? Should he have promised to kick the foreigners out too if that was a vote winner?

Is it worth losing an election because of a hypothetical nuclear apocalypse? It should be a non-issue for any potential PM. His manifesto commits to Trident renewal FFS.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

china and india both have no first strike policies. do you think they are wasting their money on nukes as no-one thinks they will attack?

The Atlantic sphere of international nuclear policy is different to the Pacific sphere.

There is, and there will be for many decades to come, the need for the guaranteed defence of Europe from internal and external threats. For that you need guaranteed nuclear defence.

 

[Chinner]

Should we nuke the EU if negotiations fall through?

 

[Little Old Man]

Tbh I don't think anyone in that room understands how MAD works. Including Corbyn.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

I've come to the sad conclusion that most people are actually mentally ill. :/

Or just very, very angry. Why? Because they read the news and have been manipulated to feel a certain way about things.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

May unfortunately never got grilled properly on her failings. Pathetic questions from the audience.

 

[Condom]

What is this stupid negotiating strategy thing? Europe is watching, we know everyone needs a deal.

 

[D4Danger]

Should we nuke the EU if negotiations fall through?

should probably do it even if it goes well

YOU AV TO DO IT FIRST MATE

 

[Miles Quaritch]

"Why do you want to take the right to have a zero hours contract away from me?"
"Why do you want one?"
"So I can organise my hours."

That's called a timetable, you negotiate that separately as part of a contract, which coincidentally, a zero hours contract doesn't tend to factor in.

That delirious motherfucker has never worked a day in his life.

And would you look at that, May is basically served mostly softballs and Corbyn has a metric ton of stupid shit from idiotic cunts..

The country deserves to suffer, people need to feel the consequences of their actions. Now more than ever.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Should we nuke the EU if negotiations fall through?

That would be a very silly idea, so I think May will 100% go with it.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

BBC had to cut the spin room argument while David Davis was getting bodied.

 

[Beefy]

The Last Leg is ripping the shit out of May

 

[Real Hero]

Should we nuke the EU if negotiations fall through?

You know people would go for that

 

[StayDead]

That delirious motherfucker has never worked a day in his life.

And would you look at that, May is basically served mostly softballs and Corbyn has a metric ton of stupid shit from idiotic cunts..

The country deserves to suffer, people need to feel the consequences of their actions. Now more than ever.

The sad thing is, is why do we have to suffer because of it.

That racist idiot old white man in the audience isn't going to suffer, none of those assholes are. The young people are going to suffer and it's all because of them and there's nothing we can do.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

should probably do it even if it goes well

YOU AV TO DO IT FIRST MATE

Could totally see the disbelief and anger in Corbyn's eyes in that moment. Sad.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Or just very, very angry. Why? Because they read the news and have been manipulated to feel a certain way about things.

It's a choice to get all your news from one source, so this isn't an acceptable excuse.

These cunts revel in their pig ignorance.

 

[BossDarkseid]

What is this stupid negotiating strategy thing? Europe is watching, we know everyone needs a deal.

Threatening to nuke the EU would probably get them to listen.

 

[Faddy]

The Atlantic sphere of international nuclear policy is different to the Pacific sphere.

There is, and there will be for many decades to come, the need for the guaranteed defence of Europe from internal and external threats. For that you need guaranteed nuclear defence.

Explain how that relates to first strike policies.

Trident was specifically designed to be a retaliatory system with the Continuous At Sea Deterrent

 

[Audioboxer]

Corbyn should have had the balls to end trident if he didn't want this scrutiny.

Just say we will be the 2nd developed economy to unilaterally disarm for a better world. That's a more defensible position than paying for it and then ruling out using it.

And before anyone says rah right wing Labour MPs wouldn't back it, that's a fundamental problem with his leadership skills and is why I wouldn't vote for him.

He's trying to pander to... the same audience members who grilled him. On the one hand I understand the political chess playing, on the other, morals, if it's what you believe in stand behind it. If you can't get your party on board, join another party.

Hence why even although I'm happy to see soo many criticise those question askers and condemn nuclear war, I'd rather see far more wanting the UK to dismantle to save the money and lead the way. I can only hope this Question Time will lead more people to realise how mad it sounds when you truly think the way those in the audience do.

 

[JonathanEx]

The Last Leg is ripping the shit out of May

They're so much better than they were on Brexit, where they tried a bit too hard to be balanced and were too much 'oh both sites are a bit lying' rather than anything meaningful.

They're on fine form.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

I can't even

Old white men getting their first hard-ons in ages at the thought of pre-emptively using nuclear weapons and ganging up on Corbyn as if the threat of rogue states about to hurl their missiles at our direction is suddenly a vitally imminent issue at this moment. Massive thumbs up for that young woman immediately after one of those bloodthirsty old white guys looking completely bewildered as to why they were all suddenly talking about nuclear armageddon.

 

[Kwame120]

That isn't how nuclear defence policy works.

If you are unwilling to nuke your opponent as a first strike, then they can continuously threaten your position with nuclear strikes.

You end up in a permanent state of brinkmanship.

You have to be willing to deploy a nuclear attack. You have to be clear on when you would do it.

Surely as long as retaliation isn't a non-option, the nuclear weapon works as a deterrent? I doubt that any country would risk being struck by a nuclear attack by "guessing" how much of a pacifist their opponent's leader is.

Honestly, it seems like a complicated issue to simply tackle with a "yes" or "no" because so much of it is dependent on hypothetical destruction. Corbyn couldn't really say "no" as that's leaving the country open to nuclear attack, but to say "yes" is admitting that he'd spitefully destroy another country, with such an assault not saving the UK from the incoming strike.

 

[naweednrahman]

Watching QT from beginning. May has started strong. Gonna see how this pans out. I hope Corbyn turns up.

 

[Empty]

The Atlantic sphere of international nuclear policy is different to the Pacific sphere.

There is, and there will be for many decades to come, the need for the guaranteed defence of Europe from internal and external threats. For that you need guaranteed nuclear defence.

i mean the spheres are different only in the sense that there's /more/ chance of a nuclear attack there (north korea and india/pakistan over kashmir) than in europe in current political circumstances yet they persist as whether you have first use or not isn't relevant to national security in the event of a nuclear apocalypse.

 

[Massingberd]

Honestly, he should jusr fucking LIE. Do what it takes to get some power. Fuck this principled, purity shit - the other side don't care and will always win.

For fucks sake.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

The sad thing is, is why do we have to suffer because of it.

That racist idiot old white man in the audience isn't going to suffer, none of those assholes are. The young people are going to suffer and it's all because of them and there's nothing we can do.

Suffering will hopefully shake people out of this stupor they are in.

It's not nice and people will very likely die, but what else is left? Just look at the audience tonight, that's what middle England is right now...

 

[Audioboxer]

Good ole Crisp Man is always a decent bloke

As always Piers Morgan is a thundercunt.

 

[Lucky_Se7enty]

I think corbyn got really annoyed at the nuclear questions, like he couldn't believe what he was hearing.

 

[Beefy]

Don't worry if we get nuked, we can all hide in our fridges.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

It's a choice to get all your news from one source, so this isn't an acceptable excuse.

These cunts revel in their pig ignorance.

Oh, I agree. They feed off of it.

 

[Fergie]

https://twitter.com/WeahsCousin/status/870747044578807809

Lmao.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

*nuclear DEFENCE

Old white men: "goddamn it, man. Why won't you fire first at those millions of innocents because their government looks a bit shady?"

 

[Syder]

Good ole Crisp Man is always a decent bloke

As always Piers Morgan is a thundercunt.

I seriously think deep inside all these people think in a Fallout situation they'd be the ones wandering the wasteland killing Yao Guai when in reality they'd be burnt to a crisp without even realising what's happened.

 

[Acorn]

Good ole Crisp Man is always a decent bloke

As always Piers Morgan is a thundercunt.

He should go into politics, he is always generally right.

Lol@bigots begging to use nukes, putting the great in Britain.

 

[Audioboxer]

https://twitter.com/WeahsCousin/status/870747044578807809

Lmao.

Best avatar quote I've had from Louis yet because that is fucking top bantz.

He should go into politics, he is always generally right.

Lol@bigots begging to use nukes, putting the great in Britain.

 

[Xando]

Tbh I don't think anyone in that room understands how MAD works. Including Corbyn.

As many discussions as there are in the british media about use of nukes i don't think the majority understands MAD.

Should we nuke the EU if negotiations fall through?

 

[Moze]

Isn't Piers actually right though?

 

[SporeCrawler]

Threatening to nuke the EU would probably get them to listen.

you do realize france has nukes too

 

[Syder]

Isn't Piers actually right though?

I think he's accidentally arguing for not spending money on expensive nukes that don't solve anything and just bring about more suffering.

 

[curls]

Or just very, very angry. Why? Because they read the news and have been manipulated to feel a certain way about things.

Oh yes. People seem addicted to their media drama. You look at the types of media manipulation to realise how carefully curated it all is.

 

[Acorn]

you do realize france has nukes too

Yeah but they are poncy French nukes or something.

/s

 

[SporeCrawler]

Yeah but they are poncy French nukes or something.

/s

okay so its fine to nuke UK with french nukes since they are "poncy"?

dont think it makes a difference if you die by UK nukes or poncy nukes

edit... saw that /s too late

 

[hohoXD123]

Yeah, this audience definitely seemed more representative of the British public....we're fucked.

 

[xandaca]

Neither particularly stood out there. May was more composed, but still robotic and had little of substance to offer. Corbyn was more genuine and did well when given chances to restate his views on rebalancing towards a more fair society, but stammered through questions of defence, budgeting and his past associations. The heavy emphasis on the nuclear question was strange, but then again, it's the same principle as why you can't say you're not going to leave EU negotiations without a deal. Nobody sensible wants to press the button/leave without a deal and recognises the major damage it could do, but if you refuse even the possibility, you're leaving yourself completely vulnerable to getting the shit kicked out of you.

 

[PJV3]

Isn't Piers actually right though?

Sort of, we still keep the nukes after Corbyn goes, so it's not a really a waste of money unless we get nuked.