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[nekkid]

Stop talking nonsense. We have hardly any bank holidays compete with other countries. http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/03/happy...d-has-more-bank-holidays-than-the-uk-5131970/

As if adding 4 more days would result in big business going "yeah you know what, lets not bother".

Isn't this a single day that changes depending on which of the home nations you're in?

So it's 1 extra bank holiday, not 4.

Edit:
Re-read this on The Guardian, and each one is UK-wide.

I mean, that's great as an employee. But I can't see that doing much good.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

In other news: Blair flying as close to the wind as he possibly can without getting kicked out of Labour - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39685678

Although the Tories were likely to win, he said a strong Labour performance would constrain Theresa May and stop her from doing whatever she wanted.

Would it, Tony? Would it?

 

[Salvadora]

How much holiday entitlement do U.K workers have compared to other countries on the list?

That would be a more valid comparison in conjuncture with bank holidays.

 

[phisheep]

Isn't this a single day that changes depending on which of the home nations you're in?

So it's 1 extra bank holiday, not 4.

No, it's explicitly UK wide to celebrate our togetherness or something like that - though I shudder to think what St Georges Day celebrations would be like in Wales and Scotland.

 

[nekkid]

No, it's explicitly UK wide to celebrate our togetherness or something like that - though I shudder to think what St Georges Day celebrations would be like in Wales and Scotland.

Yeah I edited my post.

 

[PJV3]

In other news: Blair flying as close to the wind as he possibly can without getting kicked out of Labour - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39685678



Would it, Tony? Would it?

He's going to have to accept the situation is fucked until Brexit actually happens, it looks like the Conservatives will be in the position to fully own it good or bad.

 

[daviyoung]

No, it's explicitly UK wide to celebrate our togetherness or something like that - though I shudder to think what St Georges Day celebrations would be like in Wales and Scotland.

Why would there have to be celebrations?

 

[phisheep]

Why would there have to be celebrations?

Labour initiative, so it's probably compulsory.

 

[PJV3]

Labour initiative, so it's probably compulsory.

It will just be a day off, I can't see people dancing around in dragon outfits happening much.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

The thing is, his policy is irrelevant unless he can actually convince people he can win this election.

Otherwise what's going to happen is that his entire voter base is going to get chewed up between Bremoaners and Brexiteers, with only the loyalists staying around - much like the Lib Dems in 2015, where most of the voters flooded to either being for or against the government.

 

[daviyoung]

Labour initiative, so it's probably compulsory.

It's not like it's the poll tax or anything

 

[tamaster92]

So how accurate are the answers from parties on that isidewith site?

Cos holy shit the labour answer here:

 

[phisheep]

While all this is going on, I have got to work out my strategy for making my vote count. It's tricky.

See, me and Mrs phisheep are politically some way apart so our votes cancel out. Usually I get up early and sneak off to mark my ballot while she is still asleep. Then sometime in the afternoon she asks "aren't you going to vote then?", at which point I get a rush of honesty and tell her I've already voted - whereupon she dashes off to the polling station.

 

[travisbickle]

How much holiday entitlement do U.K workers have compared to other countries on the list?

That would be a more valid comparison in conjuncture with bank holidays.

UK gets fuck all, 8 days public, but statutory holidays are higher than other countries*.

*Under employers discretion, public holidays can be part of statutory holidays. So minimum wage workers with no leverage get fucked over, typical voters wouldn't know about it because their employers probably allow maximum for both.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

So how accurate are the answers from parties on that isidewith site?

Cos holy shit the labour answer here:

I don't *think* that's accurate, but your best bet would be checking the '15 Labour manifesto.

 

[Salvadora]

UK gets fuck all, 8 days public, but statutory holidays are higher than other countries*.

*Under employers discretion, public holidays can be part of statutory holidays. So minimum wage workers with no leverage get fucked over, typical voters wouldn't know about it because their employers probably allow maximum for both.

I'm not really sure why you would do this then.

Minimum wage employees will still be fucked, and the likes of civil servants will get even more holidays on top of the metric ton they already have.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

It does not work - hence why it is a silly policy to announce so early in the campaign.

 

[PJV3]

It does not work - hence why it is a silly policy to announce so early in the campaign.

It's a bizarre election anyway, so much at stake, the PM says bugger all and the public loves her for it.

Corbyn should say nothing and just stare her out.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Just heard some musings on Twitter from someone working at the Sunday Times that May might cap energy bills.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/855884559157800961

 

[travisbickle]

I'm not really sure why you would do this then.

Minimum wage employees will still be fucked, and the likes of civil servants will get even more holidays on top of the metric ton they already have.

Because it'll give loads of people four more days holiday. Fuck me, I understand why people are supporting Brexit now "extra days holiday, why would I want that? Give me a a 20% reduction in the value of the pound and increased tariffs for exporting to Europe please I'm British."

 

[Huw_Dawson]

It isn't that people don't want 4 days more holiday.

It's that hearing Corbyn talk about 4 days more holiday when the major issues are:

Brexit
The NHS / Social Care
The economy
Immigration

Is weird.

It's like going to church and hearing a sermon on the relative merits of McDonalds versus Burger King.

 

[Salvadora]

Because it'll give loads of people four more days holiday. Fuck me, I understand why people are supporting Brexit now "extra days holiday, why would I want that? Give me a a 20% reduction in the value of the pound and increased tariffs for exporting to Europe please I'm British."

What about the large amount of agency workers, many of whom are low income, who simply won't get paid for 4 days? Or the minimum wage workers who will get less statutory holiday entitlement because they are forced to use holidays on 4 additional bank holidays?

There are lots of downsides to this and I'm disappointed that you would equate me to a Brexit supporter.

And yes, what Huw_Dawson posted.

 

[PJV3]

It isn't that people don't want 4 days more holiday.

It's that hearing Corbyn talk about 4 days more holiday when the major issues are:

Brexit
The NHS / Social Care
The economy
Immigration

Is weird.

It's like going to church and hearing a sermon on the relative merits of McDonalds versus Burger King.

The people seem to have made their minds up about two of those and the other two don't seem to matter much anymore.

Unless it's a Labour policy, then we must be sensible old chap.

 

[D4Danger]

This headline from a DM story today

Blair hints he could run for Parliament to fight Brexit as he urges Labour Remain voters to back TORIES if they will oppose a hard exit from Europe

Just... what. Was this created by an AI or something?

 

[TeddyBoy]

This headline from a DM story today



Just... what. Was this created by an AI or something?

Maybe Blair has realised that he's deeply unpopular and by siding with the Tories he hopes to push people back to Labour?

#4DimensionalChess

 

[funkystudent]

So... outsider looking in. Silly question.


Does Corbyn know he's being a unelectable shit or does he genuinely think he is doing a good job?

 

[daviyoung]

So... outsider looking in. Silly question.

Does Corbyn know he's bring a unelectable shit or does he genuinely think he is doing a good job?

Great question. It's almost as if he can't do anything right no matter what he says.

 

[Jezbollah]

So... outsider looking in. Silly question.


Does Corbyn know he's bring a unelectable shit or does he genuinely think he is doing a good job?

I think deep down he knows he wont win this election, and that he probably wants to limit the damage of whatever happens so he has some kind of reason to stay on and try and mould the Labour party into whatever he wants it to be.

The core issue here is the support he gets from the Labour members, rather than the PLP or core voters. I think he stays if he has any inkling that he still has their support after Election day.

 

[Real Hero]

those around him have probably convinced him he has to stay on and defend the left. He at least seems enthused by the election

 

[Taffer]

Corbyn said we have less Bank Holidays than other countries. This alone makes him unworthy to hold office.

It's "fewer", goddammit!

It happens in their party political broadcst thing as well. She's a teacher, she should know!
I can't vote for this.

 

[CCS]

It happens in their party political broadcst thing as well. She's a teacher, she should know!
I can't vote for this.

Talk about the party being a disgrace.

 

[travisbickle]

What about the large amount of agency workers, many of whom are low income, who simply won't get paid for 4 days? Or the minimum wage workers who will get less statutory holiday entitlement because they are forced to use holidays on 4 additional bank holidays?

There are lots of downsides to this and I'm disappointed that you would equate me to a Brexit supporter.

And yes, what Huw_Dawson posted.

The unprovoked civil servant remark had me question whether you were a Brexiteer?

Workers are fucked under a Tory government who will have more control outside the EU, imagining four extra bank holiday's a year is a little light relief for what's to come.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

So... outsider looking in. Silly question.


Does Corbyn know he's bring a unelectable shit or does he genuinely think he is doing a good job?

He doesn't want this election, basically.

What he wants is to be able to reform the Labour Party into a more socialist party, far removed from the Blairist centre-left.

He hasn't had time to do that, and now he's being forced to pull his badly divided party through a general election.

It's not that he is unelectable, it's that he was not elected to become PM. He's there for internal, not external, politics.

Maybe Blair has realised that he's deeply unpopular and by siding with the Tories he hopes to push people back to Labour?

#4DimensionalChess

His argument is that he wants pro-Single Market MPs elected, no-matter what the party.

Implication being he DOESN'T want pro-Brexit Labour MPs, and the more pro-Single Market MPs elected, the weaker May's hard Brexit agenda becomes.

He can't just quit Labour and join the LDs, who are probably his natural home now, because he is the Iraq War PM and he'd probably be refused entry to the party.

 

[PJV3]

Is there a constituency that Blair could win? Pro EU and prepared to overlook his Iraq stuff, I could see him winning a seat if he was in favour of brexit, not how he is now.

 

[RedShift]

Has anyone asked D Miliband if he's standing? Surely he's a much better shot for a post Corbyn blairite leader than somehow attempting to wheel Tony back in.

 

[TeddyBoy]

Is there a constituency that Blair could win? Pro EU and prepared to overlook his Iraq stuff, I could see him winning a seat if he was in favour of brexit, not how he is now.

Liverpool Walton voted over 80% for Labour last time, not even Blair would lose if he ran as a Labour MP regardless of any position he took on Brexit and his controversies involving Iraq.

 

[oti]

This headline from a DM story today



Just... what. Was this created by an AI or something?

Je suis confusément.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Liverpool Walton voted over 80% for Labour last time, not even Blair would lose if he ran as a Labour MP regardless of any position he took on Brexit and his controversies involving Iraq.

Steve Radford is standing in Walton.

Yes, I know he'll be the Metro Mayor then. But the alternative was allowing Joe Anderson to stand. Or Seb Corbyn.

I mean, I'd laugh my head off if the Labour NEC had to choose between Radford, and a by-election immediately after the election when Labour will probably have just collapsed, or Anderson/Corbyn/Blair.

Any of those other than Radford could lose the seat, massive majority or no.

 

[PJV3]

Liverpool Walton voted over 80% for Labour last time, not even Blair would lose if he ran as a Labour MP regardless of any position he took on Brexit and his controversies involving Iraq.

I'd be interested to see him have a go, I have just assumed it would be almost impossible with the current atmosphere in the country.

 

[travisbickle]

He doesn't want this election, basically.

What he wants is to be able to reform the Labour Party into a more socialist party, far removed from the Blairist centre-left.

He hasn't had time to do that, and now he's being forced to pull his badly divided party through a general election.

It's not that he is unelectable, it's that he was not elected to become PM. He's there for internal, not external, politics.

Maybe if he put some ideas forward that weren't re-phrased Miliband policies he could make the party more socialist.

His fans and the right-wing press bigs him up as some lefty Revolutionary but I think he's been conveniently sitting in the same room as the real politicians who have pushed for social justice over the decades.

Dude's an idiot who will resign after the election, I have no doubts.

 

[PowderedToast]

forget about policies. what are labour doing to reverse the tories' ever consistent 'strong' and 'stable' narrative that is clearly cutting through, and has done for years? they act like they exist in a vacuum and that's why they're doing so fucking badly.

People don't know why things are shit and will believe whoever gets in their ear first. moral superiority gets you nowhere if people don't value or even understand it.

blair knew how to work the media and that's why it's so frustrating to follow corbyn's party, who has constantly let his opponents define him. what's worse is that there's tons of ways to drag may through the mud. she's a serial liar, their party has been in power for years and achieved fuck all, their brexit handling has been calamitous. but please can they just unite behind ONE message and repeat it, for fucks sake.

 

[daviyoung]

the right-wing press bigs him up as some lefty Revolutionary .

the right-wing press bigs him up as an unelectable, useless, out of touch, crusty clown

 

[PJV3]

Maybe if he put some ideas forward that weren't re-phrased Miliband policies he could make the party more socialist.

His fans and the right-wing press bigs him up as some lefty Revolutionary but I think he's been conveniently sitting in the same room as the real politicians who have pushed for social justice over the decades.

Dude's an idiot who will resign after the election, I have no doubts.

Well let's hope the winning wing of the party have their act together when he goes.

 

[Pancake Mix]

It isn't that people don't want 4 days more holiday.

It's that hearing Corbyn talk about 4 days more holiday when the major issues are:

Brexit
The NHS / Social Care
The economy
Immigration

Is weird.

It's like going to church and hearing a sermon on the relative merits of McDonalds versus Burger King.

Corbyn is generally very vocal about the NHS, more than your Lib Dems (especially when they were in coalition and annual funding increases were at their lowest ever), that's for sure.

Yes he's been relatively quiet about it lately but give him some time. Increased funding and support for the NHS is pretty much a guarantee with Corbyn, that's not the issue with him (but there are many, no doubt).

Many, many, many, but not related to the NHS.

 

[Real Hero]

Corbyn talking about the NHS will be white noise. Not sure what else he can focus on though without messing it up somehow

 

[CyclopsRock]

This headline from a DM story today



Just... what. Was this created by an AI or something?

I think the argument is that the larger May's majority, the less she has to kowtow to her more hardcore backbenchers in pursuit of a hard Brexit. If she can lose 80 MPs and still get stuff done, it gives her much more latitude to accept things they might not like, assuming the new intake is generally more pre-EU than the current troublesome crop.

 

[HaloRose]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-39660558

This is good might be a chance we will vote different candidate.

 

[Meadows]

Bank holidays are crap. I'd prefer an extra 4 days of statutory leave. Going anywhere and doing anything on a bank holiday is expensive and a massive hassle.

 

[Moze]

Maybe if he put some ideas forward that weren't re-phrased Miliband policies he could make the party more socialist.

His fans and the right-wing press bigs him up as some lefty Revolutionary but I think he's been conveniently sitting in the same room as the real politicians who have pushed for social justice over the decades.

Dude's an idiot who will resign after the election, I have no doubts.

I hear this alot, but do not really understand it? What policies are the same as Miliband? Miliband did talk about rail nationalisation on some level but it never became policy. That's an absolutely huge difference between the two. Miliband's welfare policy and the language used was certainly very different to what Corbyn talks about and the policies he is suggesting.

I believe Ed was much more left than he was allowed to be whilst he was leader, but there wasn't much that translated to policies.

I guess it will be much easier to compare in the coming weeks, but I am not seeing how Corbyn is essentially just Ed Miliband with far less support.

 

[Jackpot]

OT, but what happened to Blair's teeth?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...em-where-they-are-open-minded-on-brexit#img-1