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[Chinner]

id hardly say boundary changes can be classed as 'voting reform'

 

[dalyr95]

i blame the british public, partly.

Fuck you, just cause some people don't want the government interfering in all aspects of their lives.

 

[Jex]

"An interesting twist, British constitutional experts say, is that Gordon Brown, as the sitting prime minister, has the right to remain in office until another party can prove that it has the confidence of Parliament — that is, that it can amass enough votes to pass legislation. "

What the hell.

 

[phisheep]

I don't think the MP can do that, can they?

MPs can easily change parties. Winston Churchill did it twice.

 

[killer_clank]

MPs can easily change parties. Winston Churchill did it twice.

Whilst in office though?

 

[MarshMellow96]

The tories pushing for constitutional reform if it gets them elected? Hilarious.

 

[phisheep]

Whilst in office though?

Yep.

The reasoning behind this is that political parties have no constitutional status whatsoever. Each MP is (theoretically - ha!) elected as an individual and once elected can do whatever they damn well want to.

 

[brain_stew]

id hardly say boundary changes can be classed as 'voting reform'

A stitch up would be a more apt. description.

 

[killer_clank]

Yep.

Wow. I'd be fucking raging if my MP did that.:lol

 

[industrian]

Matt Frei has been called back from America to cover this shit?

"An interesting twist, British constitutional experts say, is that Gordon Brown, as the sitting prime minister, has the right to remain in office until another party can prove that it has the confidence of Parliament — that is, that it can amass enough votes to pass legislation. "

What the hell.

Welcome to European politics.

 

[jorma]

Hmm, is there any way the UK cannot get electoral reform now? And in that case, how is this election a loss for libdem? A reform seems to me (watching from the outside) like a major win for libdem regardless of how many mp's they get short term.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Having a nap? Can't say I blame him. Amazed he's still up so long, much less that he's intending to come back.

When I turned on the telly this morning and he was still there all bleary eye'd and mumbly I felt very sorry for him. Get a new shift in halfway through you cheap bastards. The poor old man needs his sleep!

Also kinda gutted that Cameron is probably gonna be the new PM, the thought of hearing that smug cunt for the next 4 years is repulsive...

 

[Prine]

Haha, Tories trying all they can to psychologically effect Brown. "Its over take it like a man! Do the right thing and step down!"

 

[Chinner]

Fuck you, just cause some people don't want the government interfering in all aspects of their lives.

could back to me when you're
a) not trolling and being plain ole'mean
b) not basing your opinion on tabloids.

 

[killer_clank]

Damn, some of these gains are hella close.

 

[brain_stew]

Tories just took a Labour seat by 92 votes with a 50% turnout. Ffs people use your right to vote, stupid fuckers.

 

[industrian]

92 votes decided a seat in Essex.

I've said this numerous times already, but: This. Is. Why. You. Need. To. Vote.

 

[jorma]

"An interesting twist, British constitutional experts say, is that Gordon Brown, as the sitting prime minister, has the right to remain in office until another party can prove that it has the confidence of Parliament — that is, that it can amass enough votes to pass legislation. "

What the hell.

I don't really see the problem with that?

 

[dalyr95]

Don't read tabloids, I read broadsheets.

Basically you're saying the 10,152,097 who so far have voted Tory are bitter, old, mean idiots. He who cast the first stone....

 

[killer_clank]

NICK CLEGGS CAR

 

[Chinner]

Don't read tabloids, I read broadsheets.

Basically you're saying the 10,152,097 who so far have voted Tory are bitter, old, mean idiots. He who cast the first stone....

funny, i didnt say anything like that all! your posts are basically the equivalent of the daily mail.

stop using straw man arguments okay babby?

 

[gerg]

I don't really see the problem with that?

Neither do I.

 

[operon]

confirmed harman is barmy

 

[industrian]

"Labour's Foreign Secretary David Miliband tweets: Just woken up to hear someone on the BBC saying I was talking to Vince Cable. Nonsense! I've been having a kip! "

 

[SmokyDave]

Don't read tabloids, I read broadsheets.

Basically you're saying the 10,152,097 who so far have voted Tory are bitter, old, mean idiots. He who cast the first stone....

Hey, now then. No need to call them 'old'.

 

[brain_stew]

Brown is fighting on.

 

[Chinner]

Hey, now then. No need to call them 'old'.

hes trying to take the moral highground yet he started his first post with 'you fuck' :lol

 

[Hammer24]

Well, the nationalists/irish unionists will go for whoever gives them what they want. (i.e money)

So basically they could go either way? That´d only give a Con/Lib coalition a stable majority.

 

[industrian]

Time for a coalition.

 

[Jonnyram]

Tories just took a Labour seat by 92 votes with a 50% turnout. Ffs people use your right to vote, stupid fuckers.

You make it sound like everyone who is too apathetic to vote would be Labour or something. Surely it's the opposite

 

[killer_clank]

So basically they could go either way? That´d only give a Con/Lib coalition a stable majority.

Yeah. Most likely SNP and Plaid will vote on things that are in their interest, regardless of party.

 

[Hammer24]

Brown is fighting on.

German newspapers report, that Brown is going to lead the talks to get a Lab/Lib coalition going, but will then be unavailable for office (step down).

 

[Xavien]

We neeeeeeeed electoral reform.

I cannot stress it enough.

 

[killer_clank]

German newspapers report, that Brown is going to lead the talks to get a Lab/Lib coalition going, but will then be unavailable for office (step down).

I'd say this is definitely possible.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

66 votes.

See folks, that's why you vote.

Anytime someone says "there's no point for me to vote", I want to slap them in the face. This is a perfect example.

 

[industrian]

Yeah. Most likely SNP and Plaid will vote on things that are in their interest, regardless of party.

The SNP won't be in any coalition. At all. Ever. Whatsoever. They're the kind of party that collapse governments when they disagree with the other members of their coalition.

Not to mention that they are ideologically opposed to both the Tories and Labour.

 

[Chinner]

The SNP won't be in any coalition. At all. Ever. Whatsoever. They're the kind of party that collapse governments when they disagree with the other members of their coalition.

Not to mention that they are ideologically opposed to both the Tories and Labour.

probably talking out of my arse, but id reckon theyd be in favour of electoral reform

 

[operon]

So basically they could go either way? That´d only give a Con/Lib coalition a stable majority.

SDLP will vote labour they take the labour whip, Alliance are allied to lib dems
all depends on who the dup could do a deal with

 

[killer_clank]

probably talking out of my arse, but id reckon theyd be in favour of electoral reform

Nah, you're right there.

 

[SmokyDave]

hes trying to take the moral highground yet he started his first post with 'you fuck' :lol

That's just plain 'ole mean. I'm tutting and shaking my head.

Anytime someone says "there's no point for me to vote", I want to slap them in the face. This is a perfect example.

My vote was (kinda) pointless. It would have made literally no difference if I hadn't voted. I'm still glad I did though.

 

[Ushojax]

I'd say this is definitely possible.

This is the only way a coalition could survive IMO. If Brown stays, the press will destroy any public confidence in it and force it to collapse. If Miliband takes over, puts Cable into the Treasury and lets Clegg into the Cabinet, I think a lot of people would get behind it.

And FUCK everyone who didn't vote. You can do it by post in advance for fuck's sake and it takes 3 minutes to do in person. Apathy/fear have really screwed us over.

 

[brain_stew]

Anytime someone says "there's no point for me to vote", I want to slap them in the face. This is a perfect example.

There's been a crap load of seats with only a few hundred or less in it, really infuriating.

 

[kitch9]

Britain has never "voted in" a PM. You vote for an MP, not a PM.

Semantics......

 

[industrian]

probably talking out of my arse, but id reckon theyd be in favour of electoral reform

No, they won't. For the simple fact that they're a regional party. If you switch to a proportional system then they will lose out to smaller parties that have seats throughout the UK.

For example: They got 6 seats under the FPTP system. The BNP on the other hand got none. The SNP got around 100,000 less votes than the BNP.

 

[Jex]

As the only coalition that could have a clear majority, I wonder what kind of deals Clegg would want out of Cameron, and even if Clegg did agree how would the rest of the party react?

 

[killer_clank]

Guy on BBC news now is speaking a fair bit if sense.

 

[Lucius86]

Hmm, is there any way the UK cannot get electoral reform now? And in that case, how is this election a loss for libdem? A reform seems to me (watching from the outside) like a major win for libdem regardless of how many mp's they get short term.

That's a very good point. Short term, they have fallen far short - BUT if electoral reform does now happen, Lib Dems will suddenly shoot up a few steps.

We shall have to wait and see!!!!

 

[Walshicus]

probably talking out of my arse, but id reckon theyd be in favour of electoral reform

Every "minor" party would be.

My prediction? We'll have an limited coallition between Liberals and Labour and the tacit support of PC, SNP etc. to push through voting reform and some needed financial stability packages. THEN we'll have a new election in December which will create destroy the Tories.

 

[killer_clank]

No, they won't. For the simple fact that they're a regional party.

They got 6 seats under the FPTP system. The BNP on the other hand got none. The SNP got around 100,000 less seats than the BNP, so I don't see them in favour of a purely proportional system.

I don't think Westminster will ever go fully PR. The scottish parliament way works fairly well.

 

[CozMick]

<---------------- I'm true to my word............unfortunately.

51 seats

Spoiler

so far

Lib Dems?!?! Seriously?

This country is now FUCKED!!!

You don't know what you had until it's gone.