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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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killer_clank
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OMG Aero said:
Brown technically has the right to try and form a government as the current PM, but here I would say all bets are off and fuck knows what the hell is going to happen..
Dead Man Typing said:
It wasn't a foregone conclusion that there would be a Lib-Lab coalition, I'm happy that the Tories at most will have a minority government though.
I just want electoral reform.
kitch9 said:
In the sense of the general election, you vote for the party (and by extension the MP whose local issues you agree with) not the PM so thats a non-issue. I do agree that it was wrong about how Gordon Brown wasn't voted to be leader by the Labour party.
Dabookerman
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It's nice to wake up in a FAILURE of a country.
brain_stew
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kitch9 said:
Britain has never "voted in" a PM. You vote for an MP, not a PM.
killer_clank
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Dambrosi said:So is it conceivable that the Tories might not even make 300?
Highly unlikely that will happen. Practically all the seats still to declare are in England, which has gone very blue.
Let's be perfectly honest here. We vote for parties - that Gordon Brown could still lead Labour would be Labour's problem. In popular vote and seats, they're not hugely behind the Tories, and to say nobody voted the Tories or David Cameron in, it would be much more of a mandate for a Lab/Lib coalition with more than 50% of the popular vote and more seats than the Cons too, even if that involved Gordon Brown.kitch9 said:
We don't vote for party leaders, for ANY party. But in this election, people voted for Labour on the basis of Gordon Brown standing for PM. On this basis, nobody has been voted in, so I find it a null point.
The current system sucks, but Lib/Lab have much more of a mandate.
killer_clank
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Officially a hung parliament now.
Ad Infinitum
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Dabookerman said:
massively depressing, man. massively depressing. i know these people exist, i always have done, but i really have no idea how some people could have voted the way they did. all comes down to how willing you are to be selfless - the guys who should be in government, or the selfish ones - the guys who want to be in power.
ugh. watching some of the bbc stuff, so jokes, i can't take it seriously.
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blazinglord
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English votes for English laws!Veidt said:
Dabookerman
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Ad Infinitum said:
The fact is I knew that it was gonna be a hung parliament.
Lib Dems losing vote is what seriously irks me. It's this absolutely moronic voting system, which gives people the whole wasted vote or tactical voting mentality. It's so fucking stupid. I have no words, seriously.
blazinglord
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I can't help thinking that coverage of their policies on amnesty for illegal immigrants and pro-Euro probably damaged them too.Dabookerman said:
Dabookerman
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Chinner said:
Yup.
blazinglord said:
The other two hardly had any GREAT policies on that either. And don't we already have some sort of amnesty in place already?
industrian
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Ok, back home now. Almost 18:00 here. This has been a great day. :lol
If anyone's earned a three hour lunch break, it's that man right there.
You make it sound like there was a possibility of a Tory victory in Scotland.
killer_clank said:
If anyone's earned a three hour lunch break, it's that man right there.
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Varion said:
You make it sound like there was a possibility of a Tory victory in Scotland.
Hot Coldman
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So Scunthorpe held by Labour, a lonely island in a sea of Tory constituencies. Oh dear :lol
Lucius86 said:
It's not fair, but it does make sense, Lib Dems really fucked up their grass roots campaigns, simple as that, they weren't supposed to lose any seats to the tories or labour according to the polls, they were supposed to make massive gains in other marginals...they failed on both counts. The post mortems will be interesting (if anyone bothers to do them) but it seems to me that the Lib Dems simply failed to mobilise their new support.
industrian
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And just to reiterate: there's no chance in this hell or the next that the SNP will be invited to any coalition. They're too (forgive the pun) independent minded to be trusted to follow anyone.
killer_clank
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phisheep said:
I don't think the MP can do that, can they?
Dabookerman
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industrian said:
All I can re-confirm is. Scotland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> England
industrian
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Varion said:
It's like being proud of someone for breathing. But hell, I'll take it. As the Interim Prime Minister of ScotGAF (coalition forming in progress) I accept.
brain_stew
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Ghost said:
There's also the issue of funding. The LDs are by far and away the "poorest" party and Ashcroft's millions no doubt helped push through Tory victories in some marginals. Heck, the Tory's spent a fortune here in Sunderland and yet they never had any chance of winning a seat.
industrian
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Veidt said:
Bring a brolly.
killer_clank
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Hammer24 said:
Well, the nationalists/irish unionists will go for whoever gives them what they want. (i.e money)
Why have all the declarations been so slow for the last hour or two? It's getting annoying.
phisheep
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Some thoughts on the potential for a Tory/Libdem coalition/arrangement
Pro:
- clear working majority
- no need for purchased support of minor parties (limits horsetrading)
- legitimate presence in Scotland/Wales/England
Negotiable policy differences:
- deficit/debt reduction plan - fundamental difference is only in timing
- Europe - nothing will happen until deficits sorted, so nothing to do for four years
- Voting reform - both want voting reform to counter perceived unfairness, disagree as to means (Libdem for PR, Tories for boundary changes), possible compromise on FTPT for reduced number of constituencies + party list top-up - advantageous to both and disadvantageous to Labour
- Immigration - both want controls, so it is just amnesty-or-not
Tough policy differences:
- constitutional reform - Tories against, LDs for - but it will take time and need all-party consensus
- Tax policy
So - I think maybe it can fly. Or at least limp for a bit.
Pro:
- clear working majority
- no need for purchased support of minor parties (limits horsetrading)
- legitimate presence in Scotland/Wales/England
Negotiable policy differences:
- deficit/debt reduction plan - fundamental difference is only in timing
- Europe - nothing will happen until deficits sorted, so nothing to do for four years
- Voting reform - both want voting reform to counter perceived unfairness, disagree as to means (Libdem for PR, Tories for boundary changes), possible compromise on FTPT for reduced number of constituencies + party list top-up - advantageous to both and disadvantageous to Labour
- Immigration - both want controls, so it is just amnesty-or-not
Tough policy differences:
- constitutional reform - Tories against, LDs for - but it will take time and need all-party consensus
- Tax policy
So - I think maybe it can fly. Or at least limp for a bit.
industrian
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Right now as it stands, the Liberal Democrats are back down to their 2001 results (albeit with almost 2 million more votes.)
Bring back Charles Kennedy. :|
Bring back Charles Kennedy. :|
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