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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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Shanadeus

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BNP's manifesto is crap, to no surprise.
Interesting to see that they did not even mention the LibDem when bringing up the Tories and Labours failing immigration views.
 
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freethought

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curls said:
Probably been posted before - BNP election broadcast.
:lol :lol :lol
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"Remember Question Time?"

Erm, does he? The audience were every bit as disgusted by him as the panel.

BNP Manifesto said:
• We propose the immediate deportation of all radical Islamist preachers, those proven to have attended any of their inflammatory sermons, and any other members of their community who object to these reasonable security measures.
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Jesus.
 
NekoFever

NekoFever

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freethought said:
Jesus.
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Curious to see what they'd do to members of the Muslim community who were born and raised in this country and have been citizens all their life if they objected. Or ethnic British Muslim converts.
 
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Chinner

Banned
internet does have a liberal bias, indeed. What it does show is that liberals are ditching Brown for Clegg instead, though.
 
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Deadman

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Over 100 people complained to ofcom about Boultons comment to Clegg during the debate. For once I actually agree with people who do that.
 
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Walshicus

Member
Deadman said:
Over 100 people complained to ofcom about Boultons comment to Clegg during the debate. For once I actually agree with people who do that.
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I had to catch the summaries afterwards as I wasn't around to watch the live show; what was the comment?
 
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iapetus

Scary Euro Man
NekoFever said:
Curious to see what they'd do to members of the Muslim community who were born and raised in this country and have been citizens all their life if they objected. Or ethnic British Muslim converts.
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How about ethnic British atheists? Because I'd say it's pretty shitty.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Chinner said:
he asked clegg about the telegraph story.
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It wasn't that he asked the question itself, it was that it came from him and not the audience. He just started jabbering at Clegg, who rightly swatted it away rather than have to justify the financial arrangements (which were perfectly above board), which would have turned the audience against him hugely. Boulton seemed to forget about the format for a moment.

EDIT: :lol Just checked Boulton's wiki and this was at the top:

"He behaved like a right silly sausage in the live TV debate between Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown and David Cunteron shown live on Sky 22nd April 2010." :lol
 
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radioheadrule83

Banned
Deadman said:
Over 100 people complained to ofcom about Boultons comment to Clegg during the debate. For once I actually agree with people who do that.
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I hadn't actually thought of doing that, and I just have...

"Adam Boulton could not resist referencing Tory smears posted in the Daily Telegraph during the debate. The format was designed so that it would be the electorate asking questions, not the debate chair on behalf of his News International paymasters. It was a clear partisan move. In the context that his short soundbyte was prefaced by a clear narrative building exercise on the part of News International over the weekend, I can only conclude that BSKYB has failed as a carrier of these debates in a way that ITV hasn't and in a way that, I'm sure, the BBC won't either. I was offended by it. I form my own opinions, I don't need News International trying to create a British version of the American network Fox News.. I don't want them to propagandize important political coverage and tell me what my opinion should be. I believe this contravenes sections 5 and 6 of OFCOMs broadcasting code, but moreover Sky just failed to stick to the format of the debates. Completely irresponsible."

Start here if you want to do the same:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/progs/
 
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Cindres

Vied for a tag related to cocks, so here it is.
Ushojax said:
It wasn't that he asked the question itself, it was that it came from him and not the audience. He just started jabbering at Clegg, who rightly swatted it away rather than have to justify the financial arrangements (which were perfectly above board), which would have turned the audience against him hugely. Boulton seemed to forget about the format for a moment.

EDIT: :lol Just checked Boulton's wiki and this was at the top:

"He behaved like a right silly sausage in the live TV debate between Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown and David Cunteron shown live on Sky 22nd April 2010." :lol
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Gone already :/

But yeah, it really was massively out of order, what was the actual question from the audience at the time?
 
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radioheadrule83

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PumpkinPie said:
As far as I'm concerned Cameron won the second debate, Clegg didn't have a clue this time around.
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In what Universe?

All Cameron did was complain about scaremongering, while scaremongering himself. This week he took advantage of not being in the middle by trying to do his best Nick Clegg impersonation. He let the other two actually debate things and then chimed in to say that the bickering proved a hung parliament wouldn't work. His economic views are the only point where he's open and frank about his ideological beliefs, and even then I disagree with him... but everything else about him is just PR slogans and drivel, a simple and desperate attempt to make the others as unappealing as possible while painting himself as the 'statesman' we need. He was rubbish.

He's so PR-honed its sickening, but thankfully, I think its also plainly obvious on camera. He's just a snake oil salesman.
 
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PumpkinPie

Banned
Shanadeus said:
At most, it was a draw between Cameron and Clegg.
But Cameron being the winner?
:lol
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Resorting to calling the EU a group of nutters and anti-semites seemed desperate to me, and was just playing up to the fact that the British public hate every country but their own. To me Clegg seems like he's been put in the spotlight and hasn't a clue what he's supposed to say, whereas Cameron and how now Brown cow are used to the attention so they know how to play the game.

I'll be honest, 2 weeks ago I had not heard of Nick Clegg.
 
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Aegus

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PumpkinPie said:
Resorting to calling the EU a group of nutters and anti-semites seemed desperate to me, and was just playing up to the fact that the British public hate every country but their own. To me Clegg seems like he's been put in the spotlight and hasn't a clue what he's supposed to say, whereas Cameron and how now Brown cow are used to the attention so they know how to play the game.

I'll be honest, 2 weeks ago I had not heard of Nick Clegg.
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Errr he was comparing Cameron's EU policy to that of whatever the French/German/Spanish etc versions of the BNP are.
 
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Deadman

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This link should take you to just before the question is asked by the audience member: http://bbc.co.uk/i/s6498/?t=43m12s. Boultons comment comes after the question is answered by each person and they begin to answer to each others comments.

For those that cant view iplayer I will copy the relevant part from the BBC's transcript (available here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/23_04_10_seconddebate.pdf) Pages 13/14 are the relevant ones.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Given the scandals of the last year, it is hard to find a person in my neighbourhood who
believes in the power of their vote. How do you plan to restore faith in this political system?

ADAM BOULTON: Nick Clegg. Given the powers, given the scandals of the past year, how do you plan to restore
faith in politics?

NICK CLEGG: <Nick Cleggs Answer>.

ADAM BOULTON: Gordon Brown?

GORDON BROWN: <Gordon Browns answer>

ADAM BOULTON: Thank you. David Cameron.

DAVID CAMERON: <David Camerons answer>

ADAM BOULTON: Mr Clegg, you're on the front pages... the front The Telegraph today?

NICK CLEGG: I am indeed for a complete nonsense story. But, anyway, let's put that aside. Complete
rubbish.
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Dougald

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PumpkinPie said:
Resorting to calling the EU a group of nutters and anti-semites seemed desperate to me, and was just playing up to the fact that the British public hate every country but their own. To me Clegg seems like he's been put in the spotlight and hasn't a clue what he's supposed to say, whereas Cameron and how now Brown cow are used to the attention so they know how to play the game.

I'll be honest, 2 weeks ago I had not heard of Nick Clegg.
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Actually he was referring to the parties the Conservatives are aligned with in the EU parliament, not the EU itself, including these guys, who call homosexuality "the downfall of civilization"
 
scotcheggz

scotcheggz

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PumpkinPie said:
Resorting to calling the EU a group of nutters and anti-semites seemed desperate to me, and was just playing up to the fact that the British public hate every country but their own. To me Clegg seems like he's been put in the spotlight and hasn't a clue what he's supposed to say, whereas Cameron and how now Brown cow are used to the attention so they know how to play the game.

I'll be honest, 2 weeks ago I had not heard of Nick Clegg.
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Just becuase you haven't heard of him until the debates, doesn't mean he is a newcomer to politics. he knows exactly what he needs to say and crafts it in exactly the same way Cameron and Brown do.

Cameron has taken the idea of a "modern" politician and ran with it, much the same way as Blair did in 1997. The biggest downfall with that for me, is that peoples memories surely aren't that short. You can see through him far too easily and the more he tries to show himself as a fresh coat of paint the more the cracks show through. His PR act is just too far of a stretch for him and seems far from natural and honest.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Amusing piece on 'Spin Alley' last night:

Sky leaders' debate spin room: the live abortion of democracy
People appeared to to feel personally validated to be there, and firmly under the illusion that the public would kill to get a look in

"Mos Eisley spaceport," sighs Ben Kenobi in Star Wars. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy ... " Evidently Obi Wan never visited Sky's post-debate spin room, which – pound-of-flesh for pound-of-flesh – must have been one of the most distasteful places to be in this galaxy or any other tonight.

The venue was an interactive science museum in Bristol, magically transformed by Rupert Murdoch's news network into a fully operational 10th circle of hell. Behold, the cream of Britain's arseoisie, as journalists, spin doctors and politicians interact in scenes that just scream "Come, friendly bombs …"

To the left, George Osborne robotically repeating "David Cameron showed passion, leadership and commitment." To the right, Michael Gove simulating anguish that Nick Clegg should have referred to the dead Polish president's party as nutters: "The sort of comment that no one who wants to be taken seriously should utter." In the middle, Alastair Campbell failing to pull off sang froid: "It's a poll, it's a poll – you can take them or leave them." And unifying the picture, Sky's endlessly pant-wetting coverage of its own coverage.

It was like watching the live abortion of democracy. Had the network decided the evening should have been immortalised in oil paint (surely only a matter of time), Hieronymus Bosch would have declined the commission on the basis that it was a hellscape too far even for him.
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More at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/22/sky-leaders-debate-spin-room-abortion-democracy
 
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Dougald

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Deadman said:
Over 100 people complained to ofcom about Boultons comment to Clegg during the debate. For once I actually agree with people who do that.
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The comment was completely out of line with Boultons role. Typical Sky News/Murdoch - the mudslinging in all his newspapers yesterday obviously wasn't enough
 
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Dougald

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From the BNP manifesto:

"The BNP will reduce traffic congestion by bringing the immigration invasion under control."
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One minute I'm scared of them the next minute I'm laughing uncontrollably. Whenever I'm stuck in traffic on the M25, it's not because the all cars next to me are jammed with migrant workers!

Even the solution from the Loony manifesto makes more sense:

Traffic
As you may be aware, there have been recent measures to reduce congestion in London with proposals for other major cities to follow suit. It is proposed that all car owners in the affected areas (London and soon Birmingham, Manchester, etc,) be forced to replace their cars with hovercrafts for the following reasons:
1. Hovercrafts can go on all terrain, meaning they can spread out, take short cuts and go on water etc.
2. As they are inflatable, being hit by one will be less painful.
3. They could use the canal system, thus creating extra jobs and revitalizing a sadly neglected part of our Heritage.
3. Electric eels like hovercrafts because of their association with the see, therefore, electric eels should be persuaded to jump start any hovercraft where the battery is dead.
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Chinner

Banned
Another article about the debate, which point out several things:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/04/sky_leaders_deb.html
But the directorial bias was what stayed with me. There was a telling moment when Cameron told a very weak "joke" indeed, and the Director instantly cut to three smartly dressed people in the audience who were improbably laughing uproariously. It happened again later, cut so quickly it must have been pre-arranged. When Brown was speaking, there was a lingering cut on a man yawning.
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The other directorial trick Sky used was in cutting from speakers. The appeal of Nick Clegg talking direct to camera having been much discussed last week, the Sky director chopped him up, cutting rapidly around whenever he was talking. It was most evident in the closing statements, which Cameron did straight to camera. While Clegg was doing his closing statement we saw at different times the audience, his back and a Sky News caption. Cameron was given more "sincere face time" from the director throughout.
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Another thing I noticed was that the sound cut out twice when Clegg was talking - but never happened to Cameron or Brown.
 
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Mad_Ban

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I hope it's okay to post this here, if it's not I'll delete my post.

As part of my Media Course in college, we are encouraged to produce content for the colleges website. Today I went around to all of the political offices of the candidates in my local constituency (Wrexham) and had them all agree to one on one interviews. I hope focus initially on local issues and then issues related to education. I've managed to get Labour, Lib Dems, Conservatives, Greens, UKIP, BNP and Plaid onboard.

If anyone on GAF has a specific question related to education, or something which all parties can answer to, ask away. :) The more questions the merrier (I'm planning 10 questions with a minute to answer each with some leeway).
 
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radioheadrule83

Banned
PumpkinPie said:
Resorting to calling the EU a group of nutters and anti-semites seemed desperate to me, and was just playing up to the fact that the British public hate every country but their own. To me Clegg seems like he's been put in the spotlight and hasn't a clue what he's supposed to say, whereas Cameron and how now Brown cow are used to the attention so they know how to play the game.

I'll be honest, 2 weeks ago I had not heard of Nick Clegg.
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With regard to the first part - Clegg was referring to Cameron's Conservatives allying themselves with fringe conservative parties in Europe rather than the EPP - which is a bloc of moderate Conservative parties from across Europe. There *are* some nutters and anti-semites outside of the EPP, with whom the Conservatives are now allied, but obviously that doesn't mean that the British conservatives subscribe to their views... as Cameron rightly rebuked, the leader of the Polish party that was killed (who Brown and Clegg praised upon his death) was also outside the EPP.

On the second point, don't you think thats a sad indictment of the media coverage of British politics that people like yourself haven't heard of Nick Clegg? He's been leader of the Liberal Democrats since late 2007. Its good that you've heard of him now, it proves that these TV debates are good for something!
 
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Dougald

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I quite like the ad that's appearing at the top of this thread for me:

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If you click it, you actually go straight to their manifesto, so it's obviously a LibDem plant
 
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Garjon

Member
Dougald said:
I quite like the ad that's appearing at the top of this thread for me:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hx388.png

If you click it, you actually go straight to their manifesto, so it's obviously a LibDem plant
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:lol That's fantastic

Also, a massive head shake at The Sun and the Daily Mail at their poll deception. Hopefully, people will begin to see through their guises.
 
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Zenith

Banned
Linkified said:
Why though?

Eurgh this QT reminds me of the workshop I had with Chris Crawford at uni today. A load of hot air is going around between all of the parties.
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Due to the FPTP system Labour coiuld get a paltry share of the vote yet still have more a hundred more seats than the other parties, therefore you can't say who has the real mandate until you compare votes won to seats gained.

The fuck? Did this really happen??
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yes
 
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curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
Oh god he's back :/
 
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D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
Mama Robotnik said:
I'll give a shiny penny to whoever guesses which tabloid newspaper has this on their main page?

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Note regarding the shiny penny: offer will not be honoured.
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I love how transparent News Corp are being.

I was watching Sky News and within about a minute of the debate ending they had declared Cameron "the winner". I couldn't help but think of Bush in 2000 and Fox News.

Everything today from them has been a positive Cameron piece. It's like they're on another planet.
 
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