Dabookerman
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He's the one with the unreplicatable hair style. See I made up a word.
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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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He's the one with the unreplicatable hair style. See I made up a word.
Dabookerman
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Paxman and Cameron now.
Paxman didn't pull his punches, at all, he was on full attack the entire time. Very good stuff, and though Cameron handled a few questions rather well, he was obfuscating like hell in some others, and seemed to think this Big Society idea is a massive deal and constitutes real positive change, which i'm not seeing at all. The way Paxman turned the screw on him regarding rising inequality than smacked him over the head with the inheritance tax cut was brilliant.
I thought the Paxman stuff was great, Cameron was right on reducing inheritance tax because the house market has changed whereby most people want to leave their houses to their children. And as house makret price stagnation has occured. I'm glad to he wants to focus on giving life to the private sector. And incredibly good chat, actually I'm suprised Paxman didn't attack him harder.
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brain_stew
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Surprise, surprise the Tories want to make the north east suffer yet again. Dispicable cunts, the lot of them. They never change. Can't get our votes so they'll just fuck over the lot of us whilst giving tax break to millionaires, its change alright, change back to 80s Britain.
Well done Paxman, revealing the true nature of these spoiled public school brats.
Clegg was in the North east for the 2nd time during the election campaign today (my program leader was speaking with him), neither Brown or Cameron has visited once. I doubt Cameron would dare visit after those comments, he'll probably be lynched and rightfully so.
Well done Paxman, revealing the true nature of these spoiled public school brats.
Clegg was in the North east for the 2nd time during the election campaign today (my program leader was speaking with him), neither Brown or Cameron has visited once. I doubt Cameron would dare visit after those comments, he'll probably be lynched and rightfully so.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...that-showed-support-for-lib-dems-1951940.html
indepth article on the Sun's censoring of YouGov poll and the other newspaper smears.
indepth article on the Sun's censoring of YouGov poll and the other newspaper smears.
brain_stew
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Mr. Sam said:
The ad is pretty shitty, Brooker is way smarter than that. They shouldn't dumb it down, though I fear that's precisely what the station chiefs will ask them to do.
Watching this Cameron/Paxman interview, well quite frankly it makes me feel sick, im not pro any party, I am undecided and i refuse to vote without thorough investigation, but Cameron is clearly a bullshitter and does not inspire me in any sense.
Cameron didn't crack as much as I thought he would with Paxman, though that's probably because he avoided properly answering any of the questions he was uncomfortable with.
There's absolutely nothing about Cameron that comes across as a leader to me. I wish I watched the Clegg interview, but by the time I got round to it, it had been removed from the iPlayer.
There's absolutely nothing about Cameron that comes across as a leader to me. I wish I watched the Clegg interview, but by the time I got round to it, it had been removed from the iPlayer.
The Friendly Monster
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brain_stew said:
Seen as I'm from the Newcastle the Labour government has done a shit job just as Lib dems have done a shit job running the council, at this point its who is goign to stimulate the private sector to create jobs up hear.
Lib Dems want to regenerate areas - good intentions regenerated loads of areas around newcastle, but have failed to attract private companies to fill them. I'm not a millionaire by any stretch but if you worked hard for it shouldn't you be entitreld to keep it.
The Guardian have posted a rather unfunny article comparing ten things about Nick Cegg to Barack Obama.
The highlight, however, comes from the comments section (believe it or not!).
:lol :lol
The highlight, however, comes from the comments section (believe it or not!).
:lol :lol
Linkified said:
a) Inheritance tax is like the fairest tax around. The children of the wealthy don't earn or work for that money, they were just fortunate enough to be born to a wealthy family. Cutting it is ridiculous, and just serves to increase inequality and further reward the privileged.
b) You only make money with the help of society, held together by our government, it isn't unfair to ask the wealthy to contribute a little bigger share, because society allowed them to get that rich. Those that benefited most from the boom should help a little more to keep us together in the bust, i don't see how that is unfair, and they do keep massive amounts of their income, no-one is suggesting an 100% rate.
blazinglord
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To be fair though, what exactly has the North East contributed to the country other than high unemployment, social breakdown and Bykers grove? The North East needs to stop expecting state handouts - it's wrong for the state to use the rest of the country's hard earned money to prop up unprofitable industries.brain_stew said:
Also, you do realise that Clegg too is a 'public school brat' don't you?
Best political viral so far?
David Cameron's Common People:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc
David Cameron's Common People:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTtYx2OHc
blazinglord
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A) What exactly is wrong with wanting to leave something behind for your kids? It is essentially a double tax - the money used to buy property is money that has already been taxed! I don't see anything fair about people having to suffer massive tax burden in the middle of bereavement.Empty said:
B) I take it you aren't much of an Ayn Rand reader. :lol I'm not an objectivist, but I do think that 50% is an extortionate amount of tax, even by looters' standards.
Considering that the south-east of England used to steal all the coal money from Wales and The North, and currently rapes Scotland for its North Sea Oil, don't you think that's a bit rich? The reason separatists in Scotland are so strong is because the rest of the ountry ignored Scotland for so long whilst taking its oil. We should look out for each other and promote the fact that we are one nation, but Cameron seems to target areas for cuts where his party can't lose support, because it was never there in the first place.blazinglord said:
I can't accuse Labour of doing any better or worse, but he talks about change and new politics, and he just looks more and more like Thatcher with every day.
That's amazing.DECK'ARD said:
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Who on Earth are the English Democrats? Swear down, I've never heard of them before tonight. Sound like UKIP-lite.
blazinglord said:
Fuck you, we have Nissan, Sage as well as other IT based companies. Thing is we deal in tourism and most of us here in the north east aren't getting state benefits. Limited jobs means your going to get high unemployment.
We should under a Digital Britain bill, pretty much give tax breaks to IT companies.
blazinglord
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'Steal all the coal money', really? Pretty sure they were state-owned industries that benefited the country as a whole when they were still profitable. As for North Sea Oil, wasn't it English money that went into the extraction of oil? Having said that, I think if Scotland chooses to go independent, it should be completely entitled to the oil. Geographically, there is no doubt that it belongs to Scotland. I'm a proponent of nuclear energy anyway, if it's good enough for France then it's good enough for the English.Omikaru said:
blazinglord
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Then the North East has nothing to worry about when public spending is cut in those areas.Linkified said:
blazinglord said:
You can leave your kids behind with things other than a massive payoff. You leave them with the consequences of a good upbringing, personal affectations, memories etc. Besides i don't think we should tax inheritance at 100% or that we should have no threshold, i think that we should reward saving and allow some connection between parents and children. I just think that it's one of the most fair ways of raising government revenue, as the income is wholly unearned and your receiving it is a circumstance of birth rather than hard work, and that we should use it as fully as reasonably able. As for the other points, it isn't a tax burden when they are getting money/property for free, it is a payoff, and i think there are ways of collecting that taxation while being sensitive and accommodating; you don't send in the inland revenue to the funeral service or anything. Then we have double taxation for so many things already, income is taxed, then you buy things which are taxed with VAT, so i don't see the problem there.
I've read Atlas Shrugged; i unsurprisingly loathed it, and not just because i am diametrically opposed to her political philosophy.
blazinglord said:
I think everyone in the North East knows tax breaks won't affect any institution in the North East. Plus we have the science park being built up here which should create jobs. It needs jobs creation with tax breaks for IT companies. Plus it needs clear leadership for the private sector to create the jobs.
I see after multiple delays Brown replied to that Student Room survey:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1248480
:lol Not like I expected him to say anything else but...
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1248480
Gordon Brown said:
:lol Not like I expected him to say anything else but...
Empty said:
But the concept of double taxation is something any political party should be opposed to as it hurts the poorer members of society the most. If you sell it you get done my stamp duty - becuase you've made profit on it, if you leave it in a will you have to pay tax on it. Its unfair and works against the asperations of members of society to earn enough to buy a house.
blazinglord
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I think the principle behind inheritance tax is wrong though, the idea that part of your property in the event of your death reverts back to the state is wrong. People should be able to decide what to do with their property they have paid for with their own hard-earned and that includes, in my view, handing it down in its entirety to one's children if so inclined. Is there no limits at all to state's interference? It's bad enough the state taxes people working hard, and the goods they buy. Surely there should be a line, that when something you own is yours, you have the right to decide what happens to it.Empty said:
As for the inheritance tax being a good way of raising government revenue, the state should reduce its size if it is spending more than it can afford from revenues garnered from income taxes (which are too high) and VAT (which is also too high in my view).
I can see that you and I will always disagree about the role of the state but I just hope that after May 6th, there will be a fundamental shift in direction of the country (whether in the event of a Tory or Lib Dem victory), that is less statism and more individualism.
I favour low taxation all round, but I do not favour giving companies tax breaks if it is at the expense of raising tax revenues in other areas that affect individuals and families. If it is a choice between the two, then I'm going to opt for the latter because at the end of the day, if we're going to have a generous welfare system and a NHS service, the money is going to have to come from somewhere.Linkified said:
I've made clear my view on the state, but I am under no illusion that the country is ready for minimalism on par with America or to some extent, Hong Kong.
Linkified said:
Well just taxation in general hurts the poorest most, hence why why have a progressive taxation system, a bunch of types of tax relief for low earners and use public spending to help support them and encourage social mobility. Are you opposed to VAT too, as that is double taxation on already taxed income?
Inheritance tax doesn't affect the poorest members of society at all, because they come under the threshold and pay nil tax, like 94% of estates in this country currently do. As for stamp duty, that is a regressive tax admittedly, but it is at about 3% for average earners and 0% for the poorest whose houses cost less than £125,000, so i hardly see it being a major incentive against getting on the housing ladder for the aspirational lower classes.
blazinglord said:
Thing is though, if you create jobs through tax breaks: as a government your gaining their income tax, not paying job seekers allowance, gaining higher amounts of VAT. More NI into the state coffers.
I would rather they do this and every party as confirmed tax breaks for the games industry, which is a good start.
And by giving a sector tax breaks you don't mean you have to increase tax, if at the same time those members of society who prefer living off benefits rather than gaining jobs no matter what it is.
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