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RedShift

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If that picture is released I will be so happy omg.

Please God.

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CPYLvlaWcAA-MhP


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#hameron is the top trend on Twitter
 
PJV3

PJV3

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RedShift said:
If that picture is released I will be so happy omg.

Please God.

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CPYLvlaWcAA-MhP


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#hameron is the top trend on Twitter
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On twitter I saw that picture followed by the one of Ed choking on his bacon sandwich. What a glorious way to end the day.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
PJV3 said:
On twitter I saw that picture followed by the one of Ed choking on his bacon sandwich. What a glorious way to end the day.
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hahahah jeremy corbyn should just go full banter tomorrow. pose with as many pigs, eat pork, bacon sandwiches everything. fuck it. the people demand it
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
For one day only his beliefs should be put aside. For the good of the country he has to.

EDIT: Ironically Cameron actually comes out of the book rather well from the excerpts Ive read. You know besides the pig necrophilia. Serious, efficient and he didn't give a job to the dodgy billionaire who should never have been allowed the electoral influence he had as a non-dom. Sure people may privately regard him as a posh tosser but that's because he is.
 
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Moosichu

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War Peaceman said:
For one day only his beliefs should be put aside. For the good of the country he has to.

EDIT: Ironically Cameron actually comes out of the book rather well from the excerpts Ive read. You know besides the pig necrophilia. Serious, efficient and he didn't give a job to the dodgy billionaire who should never have been allowed the electoral influence he had as a non-dom. Sure people may privately regard him as a posh tosser but that's because he is.
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The thing is, considering most of the newspapers are owned by non-doms they still have far too much influence. When Ed Miliband announced that he would abolish non-dom status the Independent suddenly came out in support of the Lib-Dem Tory coalition for example.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Jeez, sounds like Oakshott and Ashcroft aren't even pretending that the rumour passes muster. Tbh I've lost quite a bit of respect for Iain Dale over this, who seems chiefly to be shrugging whilst boasting about how many pre-orders it has received (he's the publisher).
 
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Par Score

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Not that anyone cares, but it's the Lib Dem conference this week.

Almost unbelievably, they still think they were hard done by at the election, and that the only reason they did so badly was a "last minute" switch to the Tories thanks to scaremongering over an SNP/Labour pact.

Nothing to do with 5 years of enabling and pandering to the Tories decimating their vote share, no sir.
 
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Saiyar

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Par Score said:
Not that anyone cares, but it's the Lib Dem conference this week.

Almost unbelievably, they still think they were hard done by at the election, and that the only reason they did so badly was a "last minute" switch to the Tories thanks to scaremongering over an SNP/Labour pact.

Nothing to do with 5 years of enabling and pandering to the Tories decimating their vote share, no sir.
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The fact they gave Nick Clegg a standing ovation show just how out of touch they are.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
Par Score said:
Not that anyone cares, but it's the Lib Dem conference this week.

Almost unbelievably, they still think they were hard done by at the election, and that the only reason they did so badly was a "last minute" switch to the Tories thanks to scaremongering over an SNP/Labour pact.

Nothing to do with 5 years of enabling and pandering to the Tories decimating their vote share, no sir.
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I think post election has shown that actually the Lib Dems did a very good job in tempering the harsher ends of Tory governance and even introduced some nicer ideas (increasing tax thresholds for lower earners) into the mix. Where they could have been boisterous and troublesome, they weren't and instead allowed for the function of a government that appeared far smoother and coherent than most single party governments. I think classifying it as a sacrifice is too much, but they definitely prioritised what they believed were the needs of the country over party political pointscoring and were consequently used and abused by the Tories. It is stupid but I respect that they did that even if I disagree with many of the coalition's actions.

On the other hand they deserve to be published for blatantly going against explicit policies that their electorate voted on (or I suppose you could say they deserve to be punished for promising something they couldn't deliver/not sufficiently opposing it in parliament). Perhaps the fault lies in indulging fantasies for too long and their electorate not being mature enough to accept that, but I find that opinion a little unpersuasive.

Either way, complaining of being hard done by is very unbecoming and unappealing. Celebrate the things they did by contrasting it with the current Tory government.
 
CharmingCharlie

CharmingCharlie

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In other news, who remembers that coked up Lord that was caught on video wearing a prostitues bra, spouting casual racism towards asians, saying Coke is a little bit "moreish" and proceeded to snort a fuck load of coke off a prostitutes tits on camera. Surely it rings a bell, I mean sure it is no pig fucking but still.

Well the police have thoroughly investigated the allegations against Lord Sewer erm sorry Lord Sewel and have come to the conclusion there is "insufficient evidence"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34328196

I am not even surprised anymore if I am honest.
 
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Mr Git

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CharmingCharlie said:
In other news, who remembers that coked up Lord that was caught on video wearing a prostitues bra, spouting casual racism towards asians, saying Coke is a little bit "moreish" and proceeded to snort a fuck load of coke off a prostitutes tits on camera. Surely it rings a bell, I mean sure it is no pig fucking but still.

Well the police have thoroughly investigated the allegations against Lord Sewer erm sorry Lord Sewel and have come to the conclusion there is "insufficient evidence"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34328196

I am not even surprised anymore if I am honest.
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Sad but yeah pretty unsurprising. They'll convict him once he's been dead for a couple of years.
 
phisheep

phisheep

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CharmingCharlie said:
In other news, who remembers that coked up Lord that was caught on video wearing a prostitues bra, spouting casual racism towards asians, saying Coke is a little bit "moreish" and proceeded to snort a fuck load of coke off a prostitutes tits on camera. Surely it rings a bell, I mean sure it is no pig fucking but still.

Well the police have thoroughly investigated the allegations against Lord Sewer erm sorry Lord Sewel and have come to the conclusion there is "insufficient evidence"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34328196

I am not even surprised anymore if I am honest.
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Well, it's only the Coke that is a criminal offence, and without a sample of the substance (suitably traced and evidenced) and damning witness statements from the hookers and a confession from his Lordship it would be damn hard to convict.
 
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Par Score

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Labour membership up by 62,000 since Comrade Corbyn was elected Most Supreme and Glorious Leader.

This compares to 61,456 people who are members of the Liberal Democrats, according to figures last released in June.

The number is also significantly more than the 47,000 people who are members of Ukip, whose membership also grew dramatically during the previous parliament. It could also soon surpass the 67,000 membership of the Green Party.
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In just 11 days, Labour have recruited more people:

– than can fit in Arsenal’s Emirates Stadium (60,432)

– than live in Greenland, which, may I remind you, is massive (55,984)

– than the number of members who voted for second place Andy Burnham (55,698)
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
Labour MPs need to get with it and stop throwing wobblies about a leader who was overwhelmingly popular in his election and is rejuvenating party membership. Whether they agree or not is irrelevant, the party's internal structure and financing needs this.
 
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Uzzy

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Nicola Sturgeon rules out Westminster deal to scrap Human Rights Act.

The Scottish government will not do a deal with Westminster over human rights, Nicola Sturgeon has said, as the first minister laid to rest suggestions that SNP MPs might abstain on Conservative plans to scrap the Human Rights Act in exchange for a Scottish bill of rights.

Sturgeon also repeated the pledge first made in the Scottish parliament by the justice secretary, Alex Neil, that her government would withhold legislative consent on the Conservative proposals to scrap the 1998 act.
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Good guy SNP. Now hopefully the Tories will abandon that silly idea and move on.
 
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kmag

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Dan27 said:
Well, Tim Farron seems like a nice guy. He IS Clegg version 2.0 though.
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I thought his spiel to 'liberals' in other parties was a bit cack handed. When he said if you're in (Labour, SNP, Tories) but don't agree with them doing x,y,z come to us it sort of seemed like he was saying hey we're flexible, like a whore we can be whatever you need us to be. Which of course is actually a pretty accurate description of the Lib Dems.
 
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CyclopsRock

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War Peaceman said:
Labour MPs need to get with it and stop throwing wobblies about a leader who was overwhelmingly popular in his election and is rejuvenating party membership. Whether they agree or not is irrelevant, the party's internal structure and financing needs this.
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Voting for things they don't believe in isn't a very Corbyn-like thing to do though, no? They weren't elected on Corbyn's manifesto.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
CyclopsRock said:
Voting for things they don't believe in isn't a very Corbyn-like thing to do though, no? They weren't elected on Corbyn's manifesto.
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I didn't say voting for things. I was referring more to the concern trolling from blairites. Constantly whining about something this or that when Corbyn hasn't actually had time to do anything objectionable. You can disagree in a way that isn't throwing your toys out of the pram.
 
PJV3

PJV3

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Dan27 said:
Well, Tim Farron seems like a nice guy. He IS Clegg version 2.0 though.
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He seems to have the same political nous.
Why on earth is he talking about working with the Tories after what just happened at the election.

move on and forget Labour and the Tories for a few years.
 
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CyclopsRock

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War Peaceman said:
I didn't say voting for things. I was referring more to the concern trolling from blairites. Constantly whining about something this or that when Corbyn hasn't actually had time to do anything objectionable. You can disagree in a way that isn't throwing your toys out of the pram.
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It's not like the two aren't linked, though. Political parties exist to acquire and execute power.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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PJV3 said:
He seems to have the same political nous.
Why on earth is he talking about working with the Tories after what just happened at the election.

move on and forget Labour and the Tories for a few years.
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I watched the entire speech, I'm curious what part of it mentioned him wanting to specifically work with the Tories again? I saw a lot of people in the press commenting about this as well.

His argument was that he doesn't want to sit outside playing Who's The Purest Opposition with Corbyn whilst Cameron's getting his own way.

FWIW I agree with you about coalition stuff. We're probably going to be leaving the coalition behind heading forwards - which is why the speech was ultimately about two core themes - housing and the Syria crisis.

Sir_Crocodile said:
Tim Farron has always struck me as a horrible person in every interview/debate I've seen him in.
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... how.

I could get that about Clegg, maybe, if you really didn't like his background. But I'm surprised you've always found him 'horrible'.

kmag said:
I thought his spiel to 'liberals' in other parties was a bit cack handed. When he said if you're in (Labour, SNP, Tories) but don't agree with them doing x,y,z come to us it sort of seemed like he was saying hey we're flexible, like a whore we can be whatever you need us to be. Which of course is actually a pretty accurate description of the Lib Dems.
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The argument's actually this:

A: Farron wants to get party membership to 100k. It's currently at a little above 60k.

Leading to B: Farron asks people from other parties to join if they agree with his pitch and don't like what their parties are doing.

It's actually pretty calculated. By increasing membership, the Lib Dems can campaign in more places more of the time. They can also get more money through the door, which'll help pay for campaigns. More cash, more campaigns, more council seats, AMs, MSPs, and then suddenly the 'Winning Here' tagline to our posters doesn't elicit ironic smiles.

There are plenty of people who are in other parties who would fit in with the LDs if they were willing to make the switch. Just as some members and elected officials (!) actually are more comfortable with a socialist Labour party.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
CyclopsRock said:
It's not like the two aren't linked, though. Political parties exist to acquire and execute power.
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I would argue they exist to offer political representation for people in Parliament. The absolute pinnacle of this is being the party of government but it isn't the only value. All parties have adapted over the years to change with circumstances but this adaptation comes in friction with core beliefs of its key constituents (party members, party representatives, wider electorate). If you always adapt for the purpose of victory at the expense of your core membership you end up with Labour, pre-Corbyn (not to say Corbyn will be a success, it is way too early to draw the lineat any other point): unmotivated, depressed voting base, depressed membership base and a fragmented parliamentary party. New Labour got lost in pursuit of power and left the wider party as a husk.
 
PJV3

PJV3

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Nicktendo86 said:
That Corbyn effect...
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I'm still giving him 2 years maximum, but the Corbyn effect I'm after is on the workings of the Labour party. Mandleson is half way there already talking about dropping the silly labels like New, Brownite and Blairite etc.

At some point the party will start talking and work out a way forward.
 
Nicktendo86

Nicktendo86

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PJV3 said:
I'm still giving him 2 years maximum, but the Corbyn effect I'm after is on the workings of the Labour party. Mandleson is half way there already talking about dropping the silly labels like New, Brownite and Blairite etc.

At some point the party will start talking and work out a way forward.
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The conference will be really interesting, especially if things like scrapping trident and the benefits cap get pushed through. Could really start to see the first proper signs of a split. Corbyn is allocating advisors to his shadow cabinet rather than letting them pick their own and rumours of deselections are growing, whether he lasts longer than 2 years seems to irrelevant as the left wing hold seems to be grasping harder. Whether that is a good or bad thing is another matter.
 
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Moosichu

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Tom Watson has made his first blog post since becoming deputy leader about his first week:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...ama-fans-and-my-own-personal-armando-iannucci

The first diary meeting with my team is a little overwhelming. There are more than 300 invitations to events in the next month. One that I’m determined not to miss is the EGX expo at the NEC in Birmingham. I can’t miss my favourite gaming festival, even if I only get the chance to pop in and buy the new Fifa 16. Video games are going to keep a lot of young designers and developers in work over the next few decades. It’s time that political parties took the industry seriously.
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Is probably the most relevant to GAF. :p
 
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