You've misunderstood dude. Sorry, should have been clearer in my post. There's a logical inconsistency in the current situation.
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(UK) Theresa May to praise Donald Trump: "Britain and US can lead together again"
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You've misunderstood dude. Sorry, should have been clearer in my post. There's a logical inconsistency in the current situation.
Linkstrikesback
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I do that quite often. My bad, sorry!
Fixes nothing and suggests our government is not opposed to other countries being affected.
PJV3
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This Bannon twat needs sorting out, imagine if Dacre was actually in number 10 giving the orders. This whole situation is fucking mental.
That's not true at all. Why can't people help themselves from pulling lies out of their arse?
In 2010 the NHS was at a record high in terms of satisfaction. They were also at a 2 billion pound surplus, now look at the state of the NHS.
The level of spending under Labour was completely unsustainable though. Labour's entire economic policy was basically "Throw money at it" and if there wasn't any money, just borrow more.
Don't forget, The Tories have never cut the NHS, only increased funding to it. The only political party that has cut the NHS is the SNP.
blazinglord
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Actually, we had Murdoch telling Blair and Cameron what to do. Thankfully though, Murdoch's interests were more economic than social.
PJV3
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Well he influenced them, this situation is more like giving him an office and letting him get on with it.
Don't forget the Tories have enacted not one but two costly restructures.
They've also gutted (not cut, gutted) local authority social care which drastically increases load on the NHS.
That's not true at all. Why can't people help themselves from pulling lies out of their arse?
In 2010 the NHS was at a record high in terms of satisfaction. They were also at a 2 billion pound surplus, now look at the state of the NHS.
Paying back those PFI loans ain't cheap.
Still, more funding is needed especially in preventative measures. Costs will only spiral as time goes on and we live longer.
As expected:
Particular focus should be placed on the "undo everything" bit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38788388
Particular focus should be placed on the "undo everything" bit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38788388
More funding will not decrease costs.
The Bitch is for turning.
BreezyLimbo
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I imagine that even the 'leave' UKers are against Trump in one way or another.(nearly a million signatures in the petition? Sheesh!).
Very interesting development.
And so will the riots. We don't want a repeat of 2011.
Norwegian_Imposter
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we are like a parasite trying to latch onto any trade deal. God 3 and half more years to get my norwegian up to scratch to get norwegian citizenship.
It would be most unbecoming if our current 'Brexit means Brexit' government blindly followed a misguided populist agenda, wouldn't it? Can't believe they wrote that with a straight face.
WhateverItTakes
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Audioboxer
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To be fair, I don't think we should be blocking him from entering our country. Fight shitty ideas with better ones, and protest your points of view, but this isn't a country that should be cheering an outright block (other than to be hyperbolic in your distaste for the man).
Postponing it whilst the American scene is as rocky as it is, sure, but outright block? Nah. Let him come over and he'll see how he is met.
Bitch Pudding
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/jan/29/donald-trump-us-travel-ban-refugees-airports
That's a lot... Still, I hope he visits the UK and your Queen tells him to fuck off.
The petition is at over 1 million signatures now. Link
And BBC article here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998
Edit: beaten!
And BBC article here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998
Edit: beaten!
You know that's not gonna happen
The prince of Wales is not impressed at all with Trump right now though specially after his remarks about climate change.
firehawk12
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I know she's just a puppet, but can't the Queen just refuse to meet him? Like what can they do if she just tells her people to fuck off and decides to spend the day playing with her dogs?
JonathanEx
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She's probably cozied up to worse world leaders. Like, ones who've actually done their killing, rather than just planning it.
She cancelled some engagements over January thanks to a bout of flu, wouldn't be surprised if it made a return during Trump's visit...
She's an experienced eldar stateswoman, not a stroppy teen who refuses to meet someone she may disagree with.
Audioboxer
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The Queen is supposed to be apolitical. In other words, if a President comes to visit she'll meet him regardless of who it is.
Jezbollah
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Thank god for Philip. Lets hope there's an open mic near him when he meets Trump.
Bitch Pudding
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Can't think of anyone she could have met as Queen.
Audioboxer
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It'll be dat boi Harry we keep an eye on
for non-Brits happened a long time ago and apology ~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm
Usually meetings with the Saudi's don't go down well considering the weapons we sell them and the humans rights abuses in the country
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-saudi-abdullah-idUKL3036372320071030
NekoFever
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There were some nasty ones here in 2012 when she hosted a jubilee dinner for all foreign monarchs.
Off the top of my head she's hosted Mugabe and Amin for state visits too.
The article quotes the creator of the petition as being explicitly clear; he's not opposing Trump's entry to the country outright. As he points out, unfortunately Trump is POTUS whether we like it or not and so the show must go on, to an extent.
The objection is to a formal 'state visit' with all of the pomp and ceremony and the face-to-face with a Queen. All of that is incredibly hard to stomach and is totally unnecessary.
I also think it's more of a statement that we, the UK find his actions unacceptable. And a statement to the Tories that we, the people don't agree with cuddling up to what could be Hitler #2. He won't be banned, nothing like that will come of this but it makes a statement.
Audioboxer
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That's going to happen though when the new President of the USA comes to the UK. As much as those who don't want him banned may instead just want him wheeled in the back door, it's not going to happen after May got the "red carpet" treatment in America. The Queen chats with the Saudi's so she's going to "chat" with Trump.
Just the reality we live in. Protests can be had by the people when he comes. Other than that we'll have to be depressingly realistic about what is going to happen, petition or not.
Don't worry, Scotland won't do anything of the sorts. Big Alex Salmond is like a dog tugging on a leash to go for Trump
31GhostsIV
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There's a surprise. What show is he on now?
He isn't the leader of a party and he's not an elected MP. Why are they letting him on to spew his vitriol so frequently? Shut the asshole out, let him leave the country he 'loves' so much and go to work for The Donald.
And take smug sack of shit Piers Morgan with him.
Dorsal Axe
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I think Theresa May is making a big mistake cosying up to Trump, even if I understand why she's doing so. It seems all but the most hardcore Farage-types fucking hate Trump, yes even a lot of pro-brexit people. If she's not careful, this might be the thing that finally turns public opinion against her.
Audioboxer
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And then maybe Corbyn can... nah, not happening...
JonathanEx
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I hope so. This will be very interesting. I don't think it will do massive damage, but something needs to at least cause a dent eventually...
But there is the thing that let's be honest - a 'Muslim Ban' here would get a decent amount of support. Hopefully we'd fight it and not let it through, but there's enough of that bigotry built up over the years to make that feel reasonable to people. There'll be some support for it. Hell, with May's 'Go Home' vans and actions in the Home Office, I wonder how much she genuinely disagrees with it.
But the level of reaction to this is great. She'll start to look weaker as more protests come through. And we all know petitions are useless at actual results, but if this keeps the narrative on Trump/May, that itself is a bit of a victory in my books.
Also Trump's ego vs crowds of boos, well I'm looking forward to that too
Also gives the UK a really bad position in any upcoming trade deal negotiations. I still cannot believe people thought/think this is better for the UK than Europe.
ReplacementPelican
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There'll be 'some' support but I wouldn't overstate it. As much as we pretend our country is shit and the people are mostly little-England xenophobes, most of us really aren't.
I think a 'Muslim ban' would go down incredibly poorly. More vetting? Welcomed with open arms. Tougher border controls? Same as before. The country turned on a dime once we saw that drowned child and I think people by-and-large are more empathic to refugees than you'd think.
The surest way to lose is to think you can't win.
The Tories are desperate for a good trade deal, or at least the promise of a good trade deal on the table, to point to during the A50 process. As the economy starts nosediving, they want to be able to pretend Brexit isn't the disastrous act of self-harm that it is, and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I'm pretty sure some of the Tory hard-Brexiters would sacrifice their first born for it.
This is the UK's foreseeable future - cosying up to anyone and everyone who might be prepared to invest in us.
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What if suddenly trump demand Britain initiate the same ban on Muslims in return for trade opportunities. I mean, he could do it, and May doesnt look like she'd put up a fight.
JonathanEx
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True - I shouldn't overestimate, I'm just a bit worried we're not as far along as maybe I thought before.
But on the drowned child - the mood changed for what, a week? Then back to where we started.
More Fun To Compute
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I think that sewage workers are making a big mistake by keeping the drains working. I mean, it seems that everyone but the most extreme scatologists hates shit and the smell of shit. Just let the shit pile up on it's own and close our borders to keep it out I say.
Why is this sort of argument seemingly the most powerful one in current politics on all sides. It seems sort of bad and easy to dismiss with basic understanding of rhetorical fallacies to me. I guess there is a sucker born every minute.
Why is this sort of argument seemingly the most powerful one in current politics on all sides. It seems sort of bad and easy to dismiss with basic understanding of rhetorical fallacies to me. I guess there is a sucker born every minute.
Audioboxer
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Business is all about £££$$$. He isn't going to start making demands of completely UK based political decisions that could get in the way of making money. It's one of those 'what ifs' you can add to a pile that would scare yourself into oblivion. The real question is, is this scenario I'm cooking up in any way realistic?
It's not how this country is going to react politically to an "ally", and it's not how the Queen is going to react as a supposed apolitical figure when someone of importance visits. Protest voices the people's concerns and beliefs, but it isn't going to stop this going ahead. It should however show May and the Tories just what the people think.
Then Britain would initiate the same ban on Muslum in return for Trump's shit.
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