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Ukraine calls on PlayStation, Xbox to stop supporting Russian markets

supernova8

Banned
I personally don't see the point. Most of these companies announcing Russia boycotts are just jumping on the "yeah fuck 'em" bandwagon. The only sanctions that will really hurt Russia are:

- SWIFT
- oil and gas
- central bank
- individual bank accounts and assets of the wealthiest people

Everything else is just ceremonious bollocks.

Even those won't stop Putin. He's clearly made up his mind that he's going to take Ukraine no matter the cost (easy for him to say, of course, when it isn't his son jumping out the APC and being smacked in the face by a Javelin rocket).
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
The world should sanction Israel for the invasion of Palestine, also should sanction USA for the invasion of Afghanistan.
Palestine I can kinda understand. Iraq definitely but those fuckers harbored, protected and failed to turn over Bin Laden. Cannot believe someone would downplay 9/11 like that.

If you cant go to war over fucking 9/11, what do you go to war over?
 
Shit loads of sanctions lately from governments and corporations.

I'm not so interested in who does it, but HOW LONG they will last.

Obviously they will last at minimum as long as the fight happens. But at some point the war will stop in which case every country and corporation will have to decide how long it goes for beyond the end of the war. Might be right away, might be an extra year, might be an extra 10 years. Who knows.
Until the wars stop. Its just a pressure to end it.
None wants to lose a market.
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
If you cant go to war over fucking 9/11, what do you go to war over?
In retrospect, funding them in the 80s so they could topple the government and take over the country was not the best idea in the long term. If only they didn't get a hold of the NES back then. We are cursed today to live with the knowledge of what could have been, had the Taliban not gotten Mario/Duck Hunt. When you let people play video games unrestricted, the fallout eventually winds up on your shores.
 

chixdiggit

Member
"Diplomacy is Not an Option" is an Early Access game from Russian Developer Door 407. Pretty unfortunate choice in a name that I bet they could change in hindsight.
Here is what they posted about the situation:
"Despite recent events, the entire Door 407 team has been working on a major update. Still, we must say that we are against war. We hope that the people responsible for today's nightmare will come to reason, guns will be quieted, and peace will prevail."

Thoughts on damning the whole country or just those that support the war?

 

Three

Gold Member
Palestine I can kinda understand. Iraq definitely but those fuckers harbored, protected and failed to turn over Bin Laden. Cannot believe someone would downplay 9/11 like that.

If you cant go to war over fucking 9/11, what do you go to war over?
When was Bin Laden in Iraq?
Bin Laden was in Pakistan.
The iraq invasion was about supposed WMDs which didn't exist. Are you talking about Afghanistan?
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
I have been calling them and posting on their Twitter accounts. I including Ubisoft, Rockstar. Everyone should be blaming Russia for this horrible act, and not only them, all developers around the world.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
When was Bin Laden in Iraq?
Bin Laden was in Pakistan.
The iraq invasion was about supposed WMDs which didn't exist. Are you talking about Afghanistan?
Yes, I was replying to the guy who said Russia invading Ukraine is the same as U.S invading Afghanistan.

I said I could understand people saying U.S invading Iraq is just as bad since that was also an unjust war, but Afghanistan was not.
 

Skifi28

Member
You think he was legitimately elected? LOL

the ignorance in this post.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I'm not Russian and I wasn't involved in their election process counting votes. He was elected regardless. If it wasn't legitimate, perhaps the people should be doing something about it. Who else is going to?
 

Guilty_AI

Member
Yes, I was replying to the guy who said Russia invading Ukraine is the same as U.S invading Afghanistan.

I said I could understand people saying U.S invading Iraq is just as bad since that was also an unjust war, but Afghanistan was not.
yes, because bombing hospitals and brutally torturing civilians is the epitome of just apparently
 

tmlDan

Member
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I'm not Russian and I wasn't involved in their election process counting votes. He was elected regardless. If it wasn't legitimate, perhaps the people should be doing something about it. Who else is going to?
It's not maybe he has, maybe he isn't.

The opposition has been suppressed for decades.

Navalny, the opposition, was poisoned and upon his return to Russia convicted and put in Prison, they have one opposition member in their parliament just for face value and they call that a win.

Everyone who opposes them magically disappears, is poisoned, or killed.

Read upon what they do before you say things to bring down the Russian people who want no part in Putin.
 

Fluo

Member
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I'm not Russian and I wasn't involved in their election process counting votes. He was elected regardless. If it wasn't legitimate, perhaps the people should be doing something about it. Who else is going to?
My sweet summer child. If only it was that simple, Navalny would be on his 2nd term now.
 
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Skifi28

Member
Read upon what they do before you say things to bring down the Russian people who want no part in Putin.
Nobody wants anything to do with him, but you didn't answer my question. Who is going to do something about it, the rest of the world? In the end it always falls to the people to clean up their own country. Sitting at home saying it's not your fault or your problem is certainly not going to be bringing any change. Perhaps we can all wait until he dies from old age.
 

tmlDan

Member
Nobody wants anything to do with him, but you didn't answer my question. Who is going to do something about it, the rest of the world? In the end it always falls to the people to clean up their own country. Sitting at home saying it's not your fault or your problem is certainly not going to be bringing any change. Perhaps we can all wait until he dies from old age.
Oh i agree, the people need to stand up.

But its hard when you've been fed propaganda and nationalism since the beginning of time.

There are a lot of older people who support him still, manipulation at it's finest.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
Going in was just. Sticking around for 20 years wasnt.
Plot twist: They went in because of Oil, bin laden and the terrorist group US's helped to power were just a convenient excuse.

In fact, its the same reason why the US/EU are going so heavily with war-propaganda on this Ukranian invasion, gotta secure those 39 trillion cubic feet of unexplored natural gas.
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Plot twist: They went in because of Oil, bin laden and the terrorist group US's helped to power were just a convenient excuse.

In fact, its the same reason why the US/EU are going so heavily with war-propaganda on this Ukranian invasion, gotta secure those 39 trillion cubic feet of unexplored natural gas.
Afghanistan had no oil. No idea why you guys keep confusing Afghanistan with Iraq.
 

Skifi28

Member
Oh i agree, the people need to stand up.

But its hard when you've been fed propaganda and nationalism since the beginning of time.

There are a lot of older people who support him still, manipulation at it's finest.
I don't have any illusions about how difficult it is, otherwise it would have happened already. It's just that there's little else that can be done from the rest of the world other than pressuring economically the entire nation until it snaps. Unless we all go to WW3 and nuke each other that is.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Russia is a pretty big gaming market, and no one company is going to want to stop supporting it when it would give their competitors a huge advantage. It's like the modern gaming corporate landscape Cold War.

Sony doesn't want to do it, because people will move to Xbox.
Xbox doesn't want to do it, because people will move to PlayStation.
Even if they both do it, there will probably be a huge surge in gaming spend with Steam.
 

Flabagast

Member
Russians are a great people but they are still children. It's been 300 > years they are led by autocrats stealing & violenting them yet they are totally unable to democratize & educate themselves, unlike all other Western people.

So removing gaming is the logical thing to do. Less games, more reading, more thinking. Time to grow up.
 

ResurrectedContrarian

Suffers with mild autism
No, they shouldn't do this, nor should any corner of the market be pressured into suddenly cutting off transactions with Russia, kicking out all Russians and their products, etc.

I'm sorry, but everyone who makes this sound like a simplistic ethical decision just seem too young to remember what our own interventions looked like, or perhaps too young emotionally to process the events they've lived through.

The Russian takeover of that territory is not a good thing, okay. Now flash back a few years, and the US was invading multiple nations in the Middle East to topple them, all on the basis of very clearly lying to the rest of the world about "weapons of mass destruction," a fictional tool of propoganda that the US knowingly deployed in order to tell the world it had the right to create regime change across the globe on its own terms. The UN didn't even approve of the invasion, and the United States with a couple of smaller bullied allies did it anyway. According to the rules, the US acted in defiance of international peace processes. And we do it all the time. Just as we try to topple regimes we don't like through various covert ops and disinformation campaigns, or we quietly refuse to even speak of other illegal occupations by nations like China if we feel the economic price of retalliation is too high.

The precedent you're setting is that anyone breaking away from international rules will be hit with economic isolation, using the full powers of a digital economy to possible even stop all banking systems and transfers, stop all access to shared international cloud systems and other things run by our tech, which is a level of sanction previously not possible on this scale because we didn't have such centralized international digital landscapes that could be switched off. But if you want to deploy all of that power now, just realize it could easily be used to cut off nations that do other things the new international consensus doesn't like. Remember California forbidding all official travel to states that don't follow its own abortion or gender laws, citing it as a human rights problem? It is absolutely within both the power and intent of entities like the EU and the US to one day decide to cut off nations that don't follow our social policies.

In any case, we're hyprocrites to act as managers of what is acceptable on the world stage with zero moral credibility, and the US and other wealthy Western nations do not need to continue down the path of trying to use their economic power to control the world according to its own designs. All this is can do is give new, somewhat legitimate grievances to the people of these nations who already feel we've always used our economy to corner and dominate them.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
No, they shouldn't do this, nor should any corner of the market be pressured into suddenly cutting off transactions with Russia, kicking out all Russians and their products, etc.

I'm sorry, but everyone who makes this sound like a simplistic ethical decision just seem too young to remember what our own interventions looked like, or perhaps too young emotionally to process the events they've lived through.

The Russian takeover of that territory is not a good thing, okay. Now flash back a few years, and the US was invading multiple nations in the Middle East to topple them, all on the basis of very clearly lying to the rest of the world about "weapons of mass destruction," a fictional tool of propoganda that the US knowingly deployed in order to tell the world it had the right to create regime change across the globe on its own terms. The UN didn't even approve of the invasion, and the United States with a couple of smaller bullied allies did it anyway. According to the rules, the US acted in defiance of international peace processes. And we do it all the time. Just as we try to topple regimes we don't like through various covert ops and disinformation campaigns, or we quietly refuse to even speak of other illegal occupations by nations like China if we feel the economic price of retalliation is too high.

The precedent you're setting is that anyone breaking away from international rules will be hit with economic isolation, using the full powers of a digital economy to possible even stop all banking systems and transfers, stop all access to shared international cloud systems and other things run by our tech, which is a level of sanction previously not possible on this scale because we didn't have such centralized international digital landscapes that could be switched off. But if you want to deploy all of that power now, just realize it could easily be used to cut off nations that do other things the new international consensus doesn't like. Remember California forbidding all official travel to states that don't follow its own abortion or gender laws, citing it as a human rights problem? It is absolutely within both the power and intent of entities like the EU and the US to one day decide to cut off nations that don't follow our social policies.

In any case, we're hyprocrites to act as managers of what is acceptable on the world stage with zero moral credibility, and the US and other wealthy Western nations do not need to continue down the path of trying to use their economic power to control the world according to its own designs. All this is can do is give new, somewhat legitimate grievances to the people of these nations who already feel we've always used our economy to corner and dominate them.
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Neo_game

Member
Absolutely not. In fact I think these sanctions and everyone isolating Russia will make thing worse. Putin is mentally unstable and dangerous man if you put him in a corner he is not going to react well :messenger_fearful: It is unfair to people of Russia as well that everyone are against them
 

isoRhythm

Banned
No, they shouldn't do this, nor should any corner of the market be pressured into suddenly cutting off transactions with Russia, kicking out all Russians and their products, etc.

I'm sorry, but everyone who makes this sound like a simplistic ethical decision just seem too young to remember what our own interventions looked like, or perhaps too young emotionally to process the events they've lived through.

The Russian takeover of that territory is not a good thing, okay. Now flash back a few years, and the US was invading multiple nations in the Middle East to topple them, all on the basis of very clearly lying to the rest of the world about "weapons of mass destruction," a fictional tool of propoganda that the US knowingly deployed in order to tell the world it had the right to create regime change across the globe on its own terms. The UN didn't even approve of the invasion, and the United States with a couple of smaller bullied allies did it anyway. According to the rules, the US acted in defiance of international peace processes. And we do it all the time. Just as we try to topple regimes we don't like through various covert ops and disinformation campaigns, or we quietly refuse to even speak of other illegal occupations by nations like China if we feel the economic price of retalliation is too high.

The precedent you're setting is that anyone breaking away from international rules will be hit with economic isolation, using the full powers of a digital economy to possible even stop all banking systems and transfers, stop all access to shared international cloud systems and other things run by our tech, which is a level of sanction previously not possible on this scale because we didn't have such centralized international digital landscapes that could be switched off. But if you want to deploy all of that power now, just realize it could easily be used to cut off nations that do other things the new international consensus doesn't like. Remember California forbidding all official travel to states that don't follow its own abortion or gender laws, citing it as a human rights problem? It is absolutely within both the power and intent of entities like the EU and the US to one day decide to cut off nations that don't follow our social policies.

In any case, we're hyprocrites to act as managers of what is acceptable on the world stage with zero moral credibility, and the US and other wealthy Western nations do not need to continue down the path of trying to use their economic power to control the world according to its own designs. All this is can do is give new, somewhat legitimate grievances to the people of these nations who already feel we've always used our economy to corner and dominate them.
You just perfectly described cancel culture making its way into the geopolitical world.
 
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Azurro

Banned
Sure, tell that to my father friends killed and abandoned in ground.

Not to diminish the war cost of a conflict, but Argentina invaded and attempted to annex the Falklands due to their territorial sea claim. It's not an Argentinian territory, nor are the generations of people living in it Argentinian. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, with 44 million people, with its own language, its own culture and its own history being invaded by a tyrannical regime that still believes in spheres of influence. It's absolutely NOWHERE near the same and equating the stupidity of the Falklands to what's happening now is wrong.
 

MikeM

Member
I dont think banning video games is going to convince Putin to pull out.

It will only hurt ordinary everyday gamers in Russia. Let's face it, gamers are not the kind to rise up against dictators.

There are better ways to sanction Russia. Just freeze Putin's money hidden in offshore accounts.

lol we're really going down this road are we? Punish the populace for what their governments are doing with or without their blessing.
Better keep that same energy for every single atrocity done by or under the watch of any government then.
The youth are the ones most likely to rebel and cause disturbances. Turn off their game consoles, then hold on to your butts?
 
Russia is getting "cancelled" like it was Alex Jones or a celeb who got his racist tweets exposed or something. It's the exact same phenomenon as those social media-driven cancellations of people, driven by the same forces and the same fervor. Except this is Russia, so the stakes are a little higher. You would hope calmer heads would prevail, but those seem to be in short supply.

Whatever you think of the Ukraine situation, it's not worth a world war with a nuclear power.
 

Azurro

Banned
Russia is getting "cancelled" like it was Alex Jones or a celeb who got his racist tweets exposed or something. It's the exact same phenomenon as those social media-driven cancellations of people, driven by the same forces and the same fervor. Except this is Russia, so the stakes are a little higher. You would hope calmer heads would prevail, but those seem to be in short supply.

Whatever you think of the Ukraine situation, it's not worth a world war with a nuclear power.

You know, appeasement has a great history of working out very nicely. Wait, no, it's the opposite actually.
 

Fess

Member
Ehhhh, maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think punishing the people of a nation by denying them products or services is very helpful. Sanction the country and it's systems, the things that bring it revenue, but don't punish the people. If you want to encourage an "us vs. them" mentality this is the way to do it.....
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but going by reports Putin can handle the sanctions just fine, he’ll surely be pissed but he won’t truly suffer. The country will suffer though, and become worse, and the western plan is to try ending the war in a less weaponized way by making the war cost too much of his reputation among russian people or get the population angry enough to revolt or people close to him to simply stop him because he has destroyed the life they used to have.

I don’t think there is a way to end the actual war on the battle field, without starting WW3, we’re way past that point. He’ll just keep on sending in more young people to their death, and will eventually succeed by having more people and more weapons, won’t happen anytime soon but once the big cities fall people will lose the will to keep fighting. And I don’t think he care if it’s just a pile of gravel left at the end. The propaganda machinery is already explaining the devastation by how the Ukrainian army is attacking their own people.

We like to think the hero will be some Ukranian Rambo but I think the hero will be an unlikely one somewhere inside Russia, could be one of his closest friends, even family, or just an ordinary guy with big balls who kickstart a revolution and get 140 million people to stand up and say: No more!
 
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