damn, same problem with all vergils combos. Linking that stupid last cr.H after s.HSH. The timing is never the same. I'll continue practicing it, but i just wanna say I hate this dudes combos.
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damn, same problem with all vergils combos. Linking that stupid last cr.H after s.HSH. The timing is never the same. I'll continue practicing it, but i just wanna say I hate this dudes combos.
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
I hate when that does that.
I did homework on her attack data awhile back. The only way I can get her to do any high damage while building up one meter is using only her H attacks with specials.
s.H, f.H, S, (s.jump forward) air H, f.H, H, d.H, land trap L, f.H, trap L, cH S (s.jump forward) air M,H,S OTG TK shot L, overdrive H
525,400~529,000 depending how many times overdrive hits
I added an assist for more meter building but hit stun from the assist just messes it all up...
Any ideas?
Damn Straight!
Karsticles
Member
Maximum H is j.H, f.H, d.H IIRC to start the combo. Unlikely, though. j.H, d.H can work. The best way I've discovered to combo extend with assists is to call them simultaneously with the TK Shot L. Dark Hole hits perfectly even in mid-screen for another 40K damage or so. After a lot of point Phoenix play, though, I've decided that I don't like ending her combos in TK Shot L, Overdrive H. I recover just as my opponent does, so I can't create good reset setups. I prefer to end the combo with the j.S. Then I dash back, call Cold Star, and TK Overdrive L to push my opponent back into the corner. I still have time for two quick high/low mix-ups, and it works regardless of where my opponent tech rolls.
Death is too good for such a person.
SolarKnight
Member
I just wanted to comment that team Nova/Strider/Rocket has been a relatively huge success. Log assist is shit for the team, but Spitfire works SO good though. Nova with that and Vajra has been wrecking shit all day.
Hey guys, SlasherMcGirk is on stream here if anyone is interested.
http://www.twitch.tv/arcadelegacy
http://www.twitch.tv/arcadelegacy
Karsticles
Member
Crap, I missed it. How did he do?
Professor Beef
Banned
Lost 5-1 against Dark Vergil.
I didn't catch all of his match, I had to leave and run some errands. When I left he was losing, so I'm not sure if he is still in.
I like that they are doing FT5's on this stream.
EDIT:Slasher is back on stream right now.
kevo_huevo
Member
GGs jetman! Sorry I had to leave so suddenly.
I'm so damn free to Vergil lol
I'm so damn free to Vergil lol
Obviously if you put two of the best anchors on one team.
Oh god.. this will get ample use in Iron Man 3 threads.
enzo?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Yep just got back. It's 2 am and I have to go to work in two in half hours, but shit son if I am not hype right now. Yea it was an invitational tourney so the player base was very good. The small tourney I won about a month ago got me into this one.
First, in teams my 3 man team got like third place or something but teams was dumb because it was round robin one round only. One round in Marvel is hella stupid but I understand it was just filler before the real tourney.
I played three sets. The very first set of the tourney I played my brother who runs a very legit Vergil/Magneto/Doom team. I was kinda pissed that I go into a tourney and the first person I get paired to was someone I play all the time. We usually are toe to toe but tonight he pulled no strings and wiped the floor with me.
The second set I played a guy who was a sub for a no show and quite frankly wasn't very good compared to the rest of the players. I stomped him 5-0.
The third set I actually ended playing my cousin. (We are a family of Mahvel players lol) Even though I lost. I can say it was the most exciting, gut wrenching set I have ever played. Every match was epic as fuck. Constantly tied with the crowd cheering and gasping at opurtune moments. Lost only by mere pixels of health. It was so awesome I didn't even give a fuck that I lost. Such a beautiful set. You know when you've come full circle in Marvel when you step back, see the competition pited against you, you bring your A game and understand why you lost and are only happy that the games were fun and exciting to watch. Well worth the price of admission.
I can't wait till those matches are uploaded. I think I saw you on the stream Onion Frog when I started commentating.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's 2:30 and I'm going to head online with my new tem of sdoom/foot dive/hidden missiles wish me luck
Karsticles
Member
I love those moments Slasher. That feeling of "Those matches were so good I can't be mad at the results".
TK Overdrive H conversion for DeadPhoenix:
TK Overdrive H, Phoenix Rage (XFC), dash, c.HS, sj.MMH, d.H, c.HS, sj.MMHS, tk.L, dp.H, Phoenix Rage
972,900 damage in XF1, builds about 1 bar after the Phoenix Rage XFC.
That's for happy birthday situations. Against just one opponent, it's more reliable to Phoenix Rage (XFC), TK Trap H, Teleport H, d.H. It all connects perfectly.
Are you drunk?
TK Overdrive H conversion for DeadPhoenix:
TK Overdrive H, Phoenix Rage (XFC), dash, c.HS, sj.MMH, d.H, c.HS, sj.MMHS, tk.L, dp.H, Phoenix Rage
972,900 damage in XF1, builds about 1 bar after the Phoenix Rage XFC.
That's for happy birthday situations. Against just one opponent, it's more reliable to Phoenix Rage (XFC), TK Trap H, Teleport H, d.H. It all connects perfectly.
It was pretty fun to watch for two reasons:
1: The matches were FT5, so you got to see some adaptation from the players due to the longer sets.
2: you had people using some unconventional teams, which are always interesting to watch.
Watching that set reminded me of when we play. So much running into maya shield and trying to hit you through it, and getting punished with a full combo from wright. Lol
This was a really close set! It was fun to watch.
Yeah I think I was the only person on stream chat who wasn't at the venue or part of the arcade.
I'm glad I happened upon the stream, and was surprised to see you on it.
This reminds me, I wish we could pick 3 of the same character, at least for offline versus. That was fun to mess around with in mvc2.
Triple Juggernaut anyone?
Think I may have solved my months long vergil sword loop cr.H problem. Seems like I was doing judgement cut too quickly after round trip, which would tend to cause the dummy to not be suspended in the air long enough for cr.H to connect, which is why I was thinking the timing was always different. Waiting until after round trip goes through the dummy and then doing judgement cut makes the Cr.H link much more intuitive and less random. I no longer hate this dudes combos anymore, yay.
EDIT: None of this matters, I wasn't even doing the above combo correctly.
EDIT: None of this matters, I wasn't even doing the above combo correctly.
Karsticles
Member
You're supposed to:
Round Trip
c.H ASAP
Judgment Cut ASAP
c.H ASAP
If you've just been trying to Round Trip into Judgment Cut, then you couldn't land the c.H link because you were doing the combo wrong!
I thought the c.H after round trip was optional? I actually haven't tried it yet since you said it was much harder to execute
Karsticles
Member
No no, the second c.H is the one that takes practice. c.H after Round Trip into Judgment Cut I got on my first try it's so easy. c.H after Judgment Cut is the one everyone drops when they're learning Vergil. You can even delay the first c.H and everything works fine, it's very lenient.I thought the c.H after round trip was optional? I actually haven't tried it yet since you said it was much harder to execute
When learning Vergil, a lot of people go straight into Spiral Swords after Judgment Cut since you can still do the loops and don't lose much damage (one c.H in a highly scaled combo is maybe 10K damage). That's the c.H that you drop if the combo is hard for you.
........
Ive been doing it all wrong. All wrong. so many hours of practice wasted...........
So looks like I wasn't even doing the combo right in the first place since I first started practicing with Vergil. I was never doing a c.H after round trip. I was actually doing:
round trip>SH>judgement cut>c.H
instead of
round trip>c.H>judgement cut>c.H
I just tried the real method with the two c.H and.....ITS SO FUCKING EASY, IM SO MAD RIGHT NOW.
Karsticles
Member
The SH method also works, but it's waaaaaay harder. Sollune is the only person I've ever seen do it consistently, and I don't know what his trick is. I know how you feel, though. I practiced Morrigan combos for a week with the wrong Soul Fist input.
We need that "The More You Know" rainbow picture.
The SH method also works, but it's waaaaaay harder. Sollune is the only person I've ever seen do it consistently, and I don't know what his trick is. I know how you feel, though. I practiced Morrigan combos for a week with the wrong Soul Fist input.
We need that "The More You Know" rainbow picture.
SH method works if you delay doing SH after round trip as they stay suspended in the air long enough for c.H to hit. The two c.H method is still wayyyy easier though. What's the benefit of doing SH instead anyway? More meter/damage?
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
Thanks.
I'm actually collecting a lot of combos and tech so if you don't mind I'm going to add that to the collection. I wrote a while back on SRK about collecting all the tech phoenix has. Do you have any that I can add?
I have so far this:
double air dash from TK overdrive M
teleport recovery canceled into Phoenix rage
Teleport mix up with:
-TK shot
-Trap
-assist
Phoenix Rage mix up - PR then cancel into XF then teleport.
Dark Phoenix only:
feather/teleport mix up tech
Guard Break- feather into teleport nullify push block and grab the push block.
feathers as cover
I have others but only combo extensions. And not counting the TAC whiff you showed.
Karsticles
Member
Check this out. Off of a ground throw, dash + call Dagger Toss, jump and TK Shot L, and you can get full combos from anywhere. Super tight timing. Also, after an air throw teleport, jump and TK Shot L, and you can continue the combo in X-Factor.
If you post a list up somewhere, just toss my name in a general credits section and I'm happy.
Yeah, just more meter and damage. I prefer consistency, personally.
SH method works if you delay doing SH after round trip as they stay suspended in the air long enough for c.H to hit. The two c.H method is still wayyyy easier though. What's the benefit of doing SH instead anyway? More meter/damage?
Since every Dante player seems to have an XF video, here's mine. Not very swag, but I'm all about those quick kills. Also has some incoming mixups in XF3, and the second to last one is my go-to and it's so dumb.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Good stuff Frantic.
Karsticles
Member
Indeed, I just watched it.
Thank you kindly, good sirs.
This thread seems to be slowing down quite a bit.
Karsticles
Member
Winter break is over, and a ton of new games are coming out. The FGW thread will stay popular because streams can be done on the side while working on other stuff, but this thread will continue to be slow without new announcements to let it rival stuff like MGR and NNK. It's not a GAF thing, either. UMvC3 fell off the PS3 top 10 boards for the first time this month on GFAQs.
Nice XF combos here frantic. It makes me wish I could play as Dante. My execution is ass, so I'll stick with simpler characters. I drop easy combos enough in real matches as is!
It must be time for a comprehensive rebalance patch ala SSF4AE:2012 and SFxT:2013!
A man can dream, can't he?
*RIP s.L*
I lol'd. Good stuff.
I blame Pokemon. I just started my Black 2 and you think I theory it up in Marvel? See me in Pokemon son. :lol
SolarKnight
Member
Well, I personally blame college for not giving me enough time to really play Marvel outside of our weekly offline reunions/tourneys.
It feels like I'm ignored whenever I post something most of the time anyways
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I'm just bored with the game. There's no more characters I want to try out cept Magneto I guess. Now it's just get better with the characters I know which is boring.
Karsticles
Member
I only don't respond to you because you're usually looking for matches, and we're not on the same system. :-( My next-gen fantasy is cross-system play (yeah right).
I consider playing the characters that I like to be the actual joy of the game. It's enjoying the fruit of your learning.
His bnbs do about 500K damage, though.
The game could use some reworking, but I still adore the hell out of it. I enjoy every set I play on some level.
Agreed. This game is great as is, it's definitely the most fun I've had with a fighting game this gen. It'd still be nice to have a rebalance to shake things up though. Maybe we'd see more of the lesser used characters then.
I'd play Hsienko if her movement was not so bad.
Maybe I should try to learn a new team, that would switch things up without the need for capcom to do anything.
Wow I didn't know the game got that much traffic at GFAQs.
Although this month a lot of new games are coming out so that's to be expected.
At this point if a UMVC3 update or MVC4 game isn't being worked on it's 100% due to some licensing problem. Sven already stated that Capcom in general is happy with UMVC3's sales as it continued to get sales throughout the year (ie. it had legs). We all know the demand is there, both Capcom and Marvel have up to their ears with requests and Twitter spam. I guess Capcom is gearing up for next gen and fine tuning for Panta Rei. To be honest a lot of their other IPs are hanging in the balance with no idea where Capcom will take them next. I have no idea what direction the next DMC game will take or if there will even be one in the future.
Atleast DMC just got a game recently. I'm more interested in what(if anything) will happen with these franchises:
Onimusha
Viewtiful Joe
Megaman
Megaman X
Darkstalkers
Especially Viewtiful Joe, I'm heartbroken over that shit. The first two games were great(the second slightly less so), then they got sidetracked with crappy side-games like red hot rumble and the DS game.. And haven't done anything with the franchise since.
Although to be fair, they've done an equal amount of excellent things with other franchises:
The Revival of Street Fighter with SF4 and its expansions.
Bionic Commando's 3D reboot(fuck the haters) and the Bionic Commando Rearmed games.
Megaman 9 and 10...
And probably some more I can't think of right now.
I am curious how Marvel thought the Kinect Marvel fighting game did. It was Kinect, not MvC, and not aimed at..."us"...for lack of a better term.
I can't imagine it did well.
Even if they were paid MORE for it, exposure wise it can't come close to MvC which, I hope, they realize.
I can't imagine it did well.
Even if they were paid MORE for it, exposure wise it can't come close to MvC which, I hope, they realize.
No, it didn't.
I didn't say it was a good game.
Similarly, I don't consider Onimusha Dawn of Dreams to be a real Onimusha game. But I don't deny it's existence.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
WHYYYYY
I go to bed hoping for a balance patch every night because if Iron Man had a real ground dash there wouldn't be a single doubt in my mind he'd be at least mid tier.
This game really needs an enema at some point to get rid of a lot of the dumb stuff. TAC infinites, Vergil, and Zero are all end game strategies but they also make the game not very entertaining to watch or play. Getting 5 bars and a dead character because your opponent lost rock paper scissors rigged in your favor isn't exactly a pinnacle of fighting game design.
This game really needs an enema at some point to get rid of a lot of the dumb stuff. TAC infinites, Vergil, and Zero are all end game strategies but they also make the game not very entertaining to watch or play. Getting 5 bars and a dead character because your opponent lost rock paper scissors rigged in your favor isn't exactly a pinnacle of fighting game design.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
This is going to help a lot since I just picked up Dante and I sometimes end up with him as my anchor.
Does anyone play Felicia. I've been playing Felicia/Nova/Strider for a little over a month now and it's probably my favorite team to play but I don't feel like I'm doing things the way I should be. The team is basically me constantly going for unblockables and a lot of resets. And by the end I have 5 meters for Strider since I rarely ever use the meter.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Yea it's definitely slowed down but Marvel isn't out for the count or anything. It's the perfect type of game to play in small bursts. I've never had trouble running into people online at any time either. Tourney's still go on and people discover new things all the time just not as frequently as before, that doesn't mean the game is dead. It's just getting put on the backburner for the time being. Personnely in the last month I bought three new games and have devoted a lot of time into them and are far from done with them. Dead Space 3, Metal Gear Rising and Tomb Raider. I still check this topic daily though.