I said that TACs being random and taking away meter from the opponent or giving it to you are just fundamentally bad game ideas. I still stand by that claim. The reactability was just a side debate.
There is a "Mission Mode" that will teach you your basic button inputs. Don't do any mission modes past the 5th or 6th one. They become increasingly situational and painful for no reason. It's hard to tell you what "H" is without knowing your controller settings. Basically, the game has 6 inputs:
Hypothetical changed TACs, though you can punish after a TAC break if you XFC the floating prone state, supposedly. It has never worked for me. Seth Killian said you can, but maybe it got patched out.Are you talking about the current TAC's or hypothetical changed when you said breakable TACs have one serious problem? You really can't do anything other then float down. If you XF you can't hurt the character who was countered. no hit box. sorry I'm not wanting to look like I don't know what I'm talking about...To late
Tell me the exact inputs to do 1 million damage with Iron Man at high HSD and high damage decay after a TAC. Including the assists. If it really works, I don't understand why no one ever does it with Iron Man.
Rocket Raccoon is the most difficult of the characters you picked. My personal belief is that you should pick who you like and work from there. I never go with easy characters to start out with - it just makes my training time feel boring and pointless.
No they are all good characters but two of them are unorthodox. You want to play Joe on point (that's first character) and either Vergil or RR second. If you go Vergil 2nd you would want RR on Spitfire assist but if you go Vergil last you can probably do fine with Log Tap assist on RR. Vergil is almost always played with Rapid Slash assist.
You don't have to apologize for asking questions, better to ask now when you are new.
People don't use those types of combos after TAC because swag TAC combos and infinites exist for Iron Man. Why do a double Repulsar Spread Drones combos when you can do way more damage with an infinite?
Just a note since Dahbomb and I are giving you conflicting team order advice: it's largely a matter of personal preference. For now, all that really matters is that you have Viewtiful Joe first. You can do fine with Vergil second or third. Though I think he's better third, because RR can escape incoming mix-ups and DHC Vergil in safely.
IDK, use both teams against me and I'll tell you what's better.
Unorthodox meaning they have unusual means of movement. Rocket Raccoon's primary mobility took is Rocket Skates, which is A (any attack) + S + direction. It takes a lot of getting used to.
Beef has a solid Viewtiful Joe - take his advice.
God I feel stupid for asking this, but what exactly is zoning and rushdown?
I thought you played Mortal Kombat? Zoning means you are controlling space/zone on the screen and keeping the opponent at a particular spot on the screen by using your moves usually projectiles. You are also moving around on the screen a lot especially in this game and avoid going into confrontations unless it suits you... so people will sometimes call this "keep away" or "lame" play. Rushdown is the opposite... you are not zoning you are going in constantly as you want to land that first hit.
Yep.
That's my preferred order, but Dahbomb disagrees. I think we both agree that having RR and Vergil swapped isn't a mistake either way, though.
They are all good characters.
Zoning = space control (putting stuff on the screen, big attacks; Sentinel is like this if you ever pick him)
DHC = Delayed Hyper Cancel
RR backed by Rapid Slash sounds good to me. /shrug People aren't patient enough with RR.
Hmm, I don't know. Shuma-Gorath seems interesting. Someone who can make use of Wright unblockables while helping Joe...
haha i played mortal kombat, I was never that good. I just mean it was the only fighting game that I played for more than a couple hours at a friends house or at the arcade. The first time I ever played a fighting game online was Injustice a couple days ago lol so I never really knew any of the fighting game strategies or lingo.
Yeah that's right. I would honestly watch some guide videos and buy the UMVC3 guide for the phone (is super cheap). This game is REALLY ROUGH for beginners especially if this is one of your first fighters. Expect to lose a lot.
Color me convinced. 1 bar to TAC, no meter gain until the opponent goes into recovery.
And this. Though I'm glad to play you with an off team, Pollux, so you can learn.
I'm just curious. Marvel has rather poor netcode, so it's generally best to play against people close against you.
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I don't get it... why wouldn't the person always go for the TAC direction with the least amount of HSD involved?
If I play at all tonight, I think I'll give Pollux some matches if he wants them. I'm doubting I will play, though. My wife hasn't had me to herself for a few days.
You are correct. Though the bolded makes me reconsider our approach a bit...nah, it's fine.
No problem.
This is right.
I think this is too difficult to theory fight without actually trying it out. And this version of TAC is the one where TACs aren't guaranteed so this doesn't apply to where we are now.
Well if you insist lol. How do we go about fighting each other?
I sent you an Invite message. If you open that up there should be an option to accept it and It should automatically load you into the lobby.
This is a good idea
I've never liked how TACs favored flight characters over others. On the other hand, it would be a shame to lose all the swag we have built up over time as a community. I already said the Frank plunger stuff would work with a change to Frank. But I don't know how you could allow flight combos without potentially enabling infinites again, and I thought we were going for shorter combos.
Hmm, that doesn't sound like a DHC to me. It sounds like you just called an assist during a combo.
Basic flight combos, not swag flight combos which are really only possible because HSD is 0. It would just be stuff like M H, fly, L , H dash H dash H S. Or in Doom's case just a few M's into a Foot Dive. Fly characters would mainly have the edge in positioning the opponent into a corner for better mix ups when they land, the damage would not be that high from those combos.
This is different: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70703501&postcount=16115
Here's an idea:
But how do you let the game make that happen at high HSD without causing problems? I don't think you can have both. Though if we're not allowing meter gain after the TAC, I think it might be okay if TACs reduced HSD to 0 (but it still builds). Thoughts?
Done playing already?
I already said that TACs should either start at 0 for the first hit or start the HSD at the point where you would first do a launch. Like for example, Storm after a basic ground series and launcher can only get a very basic fly combo in the air.. that's the fly combo you should be able to do after a TAC.
This is a better idea than the current system to be honest. Allows you to freely TAC into any of your character without having to worry about using an assist beforehand. I honestly don't know why this isn't the case already.
I am on board with HSD restarting.
Oh okay so we are getting organized about it instead of you and Dahbomb going back in forth followed by God's Beard adding something crazy / ridiculous Magneto buffs then Beef sarcastically replaying to him. That's cool. I'll add my two cents when asked for it.
It takes two to tango my friend.
Didn't know this... this automatically makes Spitfire better than most of the assists that are used for Vergil.
Pretty sure that the push back would be more than Wolverine's st.L length, otherwise that would defeat the purpose. The whole point of the throw tech distance change is that you are out of throw range and out of most character's cr.L range where some people just like to mash on jabs after a throw.
Already been addressed.
The minimum scaling values are going to be adjusted anyway for a few characters. The characters who don't do a ton of damage are the ones who have good tools and mix ups... all of which will be useful in a lower damage game where resets and neutral game is more prevalent. Some characters I would presume would get better scaling like Strider because no way in hell he should be allowed to go over with that shit scaling... it would look like he's healing the opponent when damage is lowered.
The tech roll and air tech change has been addressed. The neutral tech change is a great suggestion, I back it up completely.
I think most people just want the hit stop on Zero's normals to go down dramatically. Shit is insane anyway. It's one thing that the character is top tier as hell.. it's another having to deal with all that hit stop nonsense especially in his combos. Otherwise I agree on this change.
I agree 100%.