UMVC3: Phoenix Wright and Nova Revealed!

Dahbomb said:
That's a buff. Considering so many characters above him got nerfed in the combo/damage department, he still remains one of the few character from MVC3 who used to do high damage and still does high damage. I don't think he's top 3 but he's eyeing that S tier damn hard.
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It's not a direct buff because it's not a change. Saying someone got buffed because others are nerfed goes against what the term means. He won't be top 3, he'll be in 6th or 5th though for sure. His main way of opening up is foot dives which while good still leaves him open if he get's to predictable with it, more than any other dive attack in the game.
 
It's an indirect buff, that's pretty much what I meant. Pretty much like how Phoenix is indirectly nerfed in so many ways but directly not that hit hard.

I agree with the assessment that he is essentially a top 10 character. So is Dorm but he was already fairly close to being top 10.

Also the whole Doom is top 3 thing came from the UMVC3 tournament at NorCal where someone made impressions on SRK (HGonzo and Chrisis) which were later posted on EventHubs. It's also the source of Wolverine is ass now which gets a big fat lulz from me.
 
We should have the reveal under than 24 hours! Just get the hype train running and chugging!

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Rocky's jet boots. How will they come into play? Any thoughts?

I'm thinking some sort of rocket skating super. Or something to do with his supers making then air okay. Does anyone actually think Capcom will give him flight mode?
 
IntelliHeath said:
We should have the reveal under than 24 hours! Just get the hype train running and chugging!
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Going to bed now last of my animatronics are in place for tomorrow I hope I see new UMvC3 news when I get up :)
 
Dahbomb said:
It's an indirect buff, that's pretty much what I meant. Pretty much like how Phoenix is indirectly nerfed in so many ways but directly not that hit hard.

I agree with the assessment that he is essentially a top 10 character. So is Dorm but he was already fairly close to being top 10.

Also the whole Doom is top 3 thing came from the UMVC3 tournament at NorCal where someone made impressions on SRK (HGonzo and Chrisis) which were later posted on EventHubs. It's also the source of Wolverine is ass now which gets a big fat lulz from me.
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The fact he can still instant kill a character with level 1 xfactor right away makes me lulz too. They just got rid of the stupidity that was a fucking half screen invincible dash into ToD
and the free combos off assist. But that last part is for everyone.
 
Touch said:
Rocky's jet boots. How will they come into play? Any thoughts?

I'm thinking some sort of rocket skating super. Or something to do with his supers making then air okay. Does anyone actually think Capcom will give him flight mode?
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Probably flight mode or air dash.
 
Touch said:
Rocky's jet boots. How will they come into play? Any thoughts?

I'm thinking some sort of rocket skating super. Or something to do with his supers making then air okay. Does anyone actually think Capcom will give him flight mode?
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No. The original RR leak didn't really make him seem like a flight character, just one that is very mobile with his light gun(s) equipped:

rocket raccoon has many long range options. he has 3 stages of mobility that change automatically depending on the last weapon used

Light - RR is pretty speedy, has double jump and a wall jump. this stage is default and is switched to when Laser Pistol or Double Laser Pistols are used. these are quick shots forward and can be used in air and off of a walljump. air version shoots down-forward

Medium - RR loses wall jump and double jump when one of these weapons are out.
-gatling gun, can be steered up and down slightly while shooting
-silver spear-type gun, single shot. seems to do same damage on block or hit
-small cannon, shoots a pulsing ray forward or up-forward. travels slowly and has small hitstun on hit, but on block it creates a second projectile that hits around the opponent for a bit. can be used in air

Heavy - RR cannot jump or dash and walk speed is slower. these moves have higher start when they are first switched to because Groot tosses the weapon to RR in the animation
-bazooka, shoots about 3/4ths screen and makes a 2nd explosion on the landing.
-heat rocket, tracking rockets that swirl. good tracking
-remote missile, can be controlled after the shot but RR is vulnerable for this time. this attack can be steered to overhead the target.

other stuff, many of his normals have projectile properties. when he taunts he drinks coffee.
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Like TDLink said, probably a dash animation. Most likely ground dash, because airdashes were not detailed, although that'd look pretty boss.
 
The fact he can still instant kill a character with level 1 xfactor right away makes me lulz too. They just got rid of the stupidity that was a fucking half screen invincible dash into ToD
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The main difference from before and now is that Wolverine has to spend bar to kill with X factor and has a much harder time killing off of a throw (X factor made it so that you basically got a full combo off of a throw). Scaling cap is lowered to 35% now and the fact that Wolverine has to put in bars for the guaranteed kills meaning that's time taken off the XF clock which means much less juice for the next character.

Before it was, any hit/throw into X Factor, complete ABC combo without spending a bar, have half of XF left to kill the next character as well AND save meter. For the 3rd character had a LVL3 in the bag so you basically just completed combo into LVL3 for match win.

Unless the point character is super integral to the entire team, there is way less incentive to burn XF early for a character kill now. There is just a much more differential between LVL 1 and LVL3 now.
 
Dahbomb said:
The main difference from before and now is that Wolverine has to spend bar to kill with X factor and has a much harder time killing off of a throw (X factor made it so that you basically got a full combo off of a throw). Scaling cap is lowered to 35% now and the fact that Wolverine has to put in bars for the guaranteed kills meaning that's time taken off the XF clock which means much less juice for the next character.

Before it was, any hit/throw into X Factor, complete ABC combo without spending a bar, have half of XF left to kill the next character as well AND save meter. For the 3rd character had a LVL3 in the bag so you basically just completed combo into LVL3 for match win.

Unless the point character is super integral to the entire team, there is way less incentive to burn XF early for a character kill now. There is just a much more differential between LVL 1 and LVL3 now.
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Yeah, it's toned down. But the option is still there, it's just "more fair" to put it in a lame ass term.
 
What would be interesting is if RR was a utility-hyper-only character. I mean, possibilities are endless for physical damaging hypers, but what if his main meter usage was to just to keep his weapons reloaded/switch L/M/H weapon sets. Just a thought. Would make for a unique kind of design.

Then again I really hope the last two characters get level 3s. I thought they were gonna go 12 for 12 with the new guys until Nova didn't have one :/

Anyways, popping out of studying to just let y'all know I'm still mad hype about these last two characters.

Becquerel said:
I don't trust and believe in ANY "leaks" other than what we got from Seth and eidrian.
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Who mentioned bear traps? That was eidrian right? He's vindicated as that falls in line with what Seth said too. Oddly enough, Seth and the leak I posted above mention completely different things, but don't necessarily contradict. Clawing could be his grabs and traps could obviously refer to the bear trap assist.
 
enzo_gt said:
No. The original RR leak didn't really make him seem like a flight character, just one that is very mobile with his light gun(s) equipped:



Like TDLink said, probably a dash animation. Most likely ground dash, because airdashes were not detailed, although that'd look pretty boss.
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Okay. I had not seen this before. All of this is super interesting.

Your right, he does seen to be a flight character with all that. Possible air dash but that might be over the top. It's mahvel though so who knows. Holy shit, though! This is crazy. All of these moves sound amazing. Gatling Gun and Small Cannon all hype for sure. Small Cannon airok is beast.

Remote Missile unblockables on incoming characters, anyone?
 
enzo_gt said:
Then again I really hope the last two characters get level 3s. I thought they were gonna go 12 for 12 with the new guys until Nova didn't have one :/
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Didn't one of the leaks have Rocky's dig hole + explosion as his level 3? I don't know what's going on anymore. :O
 
enzo_gt said:
Who mentioned bear traps? That was eidrian right? He's vindicated as that falls in line with what Seth said too. Oddly enough, Seth and the leak I posted above mention completely different things, but don't necessarily contradict. Clawing could be his grabs and traps could obviously refer to the bear trap assist.
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eidrian mentioned beartraps and pendulums.
He's been a reliable if rare source, and I absolutely believe him, as I know he's not a fake.
 
Don't forget that they took away Wolverine's instant overhead.
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Aside from the B Slash invincibility, this is actually the biggest nerf to Wolverine that no one is talking about. I am actually saddened over it's loss as that was by far the most time I practiced with Wolverine aside from Berserker Charge stuff. Now Wolverine is basically a left/right character with almost non-existent high/low game.

QisTopTier: What is Shuma's damage/combo options now that his j.S does hard knockdown? I am thinking it actually ups his damage but I am not too sure, I have never played with the character just seen him being played.
 
Becquerel said:
eidrian mentioned beartraps and pendulums.
He's been a reliable if rare source, and I absolutely believe him, as I know he's not a fake.
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Who said that the pendulums could be canceled? I remember reading that but not sure if it was the same person that leaked it.

Also, I can see pendulum being an assist if bear trap is for sure.
 
Touch said:
Who said that the pendulums could be canceled? I remember reading that but not sure if it was the same person that leaked it.

Also, I can see pendulum being an assist if bear trap is for sure.
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I don't remember anyone saying that it could be canceled. Also, another pendulum? Why don't they just erase her from the game? lol
 
Touch said:
Didn't one of the leaks have Rocky's dig hole + explosion as his level 3? I don't know what's going on anymore. :O
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Yeah your right, forgot about that, but that was someone reporting from the event yesterday IIRC.

Becquerel said:
eidrian mentioned beartraps and pendulums.
He's been a reliable if rare source, and I absolutely believe him, as I know he's not a fake.
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I would agree with you here. The rest of the leaks have been sporadic and well, hard to pinpoint considering most were on 4chan and anonymous. That's how we got trolled with the cosmic stage stuff that was posted amidst legitimate leaks like Iron Fist, Midnight Asgard and the new Training Room.
 
Dahbomb said:
Aside from the B Slash invincibility, this is actually the biggest nerf to Wolverine that no one is talking about. I am actually saddened over it's loss as that was by far the most time I practiced with Wolverine. Now Wolverine is basically a left/right character with almost non-existent high/low game.

QisTopTier: What is Shuma's damage/combo options now that his j.S does hard knockdown? I am thinking it actually ups his damage but I am not too sure, I have never played with the character just seen him being played.
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Doom loop style shit but with mystic ray as the lift for the easy version, or mystic stare if you got charge combos down. You can otg with mystic ray anywhere on the screen into launcher as long as you are close at the start. Can't say if the damage will be that high yet, but the meter build should be good. Which will end in a reset where you can air grab you or what ever. Which will repeat said loop.
 
SolarPowered said:
I don't remember anyone saying that it could be canceled. Also, another pendulum? Why don't they just erase her from the game? lol
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I don't know, it might have been someone trolling a Hsien Ko player. Although for some reason, I remember that being said in a serious manner. Either way, if he has pendulums they should be cancelable :D
 
SolarPowered said:
I don't remember anyone saying that it could be canceled. Also, another pendulum? Why don't they just erase her from the game? lol
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Solution: Replace her with Megaman.EXE!

I, SolarPowered would love that!
 
Doom loop style shit but with mystic ray as the lift for the easy version, or mystic stare if you got charge combos down. You can otg with mystic ray anywhere on the screen into launcher as long as you are close at the start. Can't say if the damage will be that high yet, but the meter build should be good. Which will end in a reset where you can air grab you or what ever. Which will repeat said loop.
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That sounds good, much better than I expected.
 
Everyone expecting it to come out in the morning in Japan time forgot about Capcom going by PST for all PR. Probably gonna be out around 6-8am PST
 
akilshohen said:
Everyone expecting it to come out in the morning in Japan time forgot about Capcom going by PST for all PR. Probably gonna be out around 6-8am PST
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Holy mother. That's 12 hours from now.
O_O

"The hype is dead." - Magneto, 2011
 
akilshohen said:
Everyone expecting it to come out in the morning in Japan time forgot about Capcom going by PST for all PR. Probably gonna be out around 6-8am PST
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Ah, that's right but few times, they reveal at different time. I remembered to wake up to one of UMVC3 reveal before usual time.
 
It's funny how the times keep getting delayed. "Saturday! Nono, Sunday! Ha, got you again! It's Monday, for real this time!"

Like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit.
 
Dahbomb said:
That sounds good, much better than I expected.
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He can actually do a lot of little reset tricks and shit in mvc3. I've been around to cons and stuff and played games with some of tourney dudes. When you got skisonic and a crowd going WTF WOAAAAAH you are doing something right xD As a matter of fact after one thing I did they took the controlls away from me and were like save it for later. Cause of a little tournament they had at one. Sadly I was busy with other things to go to it. Plus it was crowded with hardly anywhere to sit and my back was hurting way to bad to be standing for a long time, specially when my hotel room was a block away and I had to walk there with no pain meds.

Shuma is just stupidly under-used. He's no S tier, he's not even A tier. But he's far from SHIT tier

Let's see he has, instant overheads that he can combo off of, high meter gain, an amazing asssit, one of the best level 3's in the game, stupidly good X factor 3, cr.H is jump cancelable for rushing down type stuff, can self otg after air throw into what ever. Has 800k plus corner combos, easy cross over attacks. Oh and he can rape the ever loving shit out of assist for free if they get caught from anywhere on screen.

You just gotta work for solid damage, but eh I prefer his reset trickery. He's far far from "shit" in mvc3. With the changes in umvc3 specially with the air dash nerf. He's gonna be annoying as fuck and his assist will become even stronger.

Another good character is Joe, the problem is his real combos have stupidly high levels of execution so why bother when you can pick wolverine or what ever.
 
akilshohen said:
Everyone expecting it to come out in the morning in Japan time forgot about Capcom going by PST for all PR. Probably gonna be out around 6-8am PST
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By the hoary hosts of hoggoth....
 
Becquerel said:
eidrian mentioned beartraps and pendulums.
He's been a reliable if rare source, and I absolutely believe him, as I know he's not a fake.
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The guy who leaked Phoenix said he's got a tree (groot?) that wall-bounces as an assist.
 
Professor Beef said:
It's funny how the times keep getting delayed. "Saturday! Nono, Sunday! Ha, got you again! It's Monday, for real this time!"

Like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit.
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LOL... If you backtracked and you will see that my prediction is on Halloween Day because they don't work during weekend but I am sucker for hype anyway.
 
Professor Beef said:
It's funny how the times keep getting delayed. "Saturday! Nono, Sunday! Ha, got you again! It's Monday, for real this time!"

Like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit.
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That's why I haven't been hyped all day. It's Sunday, lol. NOBODY is doing anything.

Anywho, I hope you guys let me do the honors of opening the thread, though I should be up again by the time they get released. :)
 
Sickboy007 said:
The guy who leaked Phoenix said he's got a tree (groot?) that wall-bounces as an assist.
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I can't imagine Rocket not having Groot in one of his moves/hypers.
 
Becquerel said:
That's why I haven't been hyped all day. It's Sunday, lol. NOBODY is doing anything.

Anywho, I hope you guys let me do the honors of opening the thread, though I should be up again by the time they get released. :)
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It's all your. Hopefully other people would be very considerate of you.
 
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