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UNC drops term freshman in favor of gender inclusive language
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Steve Youngblood
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I think the divisiveness of this issue is completely artificial. Again, this happened three years ago. It was only recently invoked as an issue because it sounded like a good example to rally anti-PC advocates.
outunderthestars
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The fact that nobody noticed or cared for the last three years should be evidence that it still isn't a big deal.....
I find that to be a strange opinion -- why do you think it's laziness?
Don't you think this is at least a shallow attempt to appear gender inclusive?
But does it take the place of other attempts to be gender inclusive, or exist alongside them? It's an action either way, that's why I don't understand why it's somehow lazier than accepting the status quo.
Femmeworth
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Who is making this a big deal besides the detractors?
Vermillion
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I just wanna say that I believe this is highly stupid and inane.
As other people have already brought up, we haven't changed (or thought of changing) "feminism," despite the fact that it seems to be a barrier to people understanding that it is equality for men and women. Freshman by definition includes both men and women. It seems to be a very inane place to put in "gender-inclusive language."
As other people have already brought up, we haven't changed (or thought of changing) "feminism," despite the fact that it seems to be a barrier to people understanding that it is equality for men and women. Freshman by definition includes both men and women. It seems to be a very inane place to put in "gender-inclusive language."
Instead of looking at the word "freshman" and trying to make a rational judgment on its "gender status", the word was simply expunged based on a flat orthodoxy that deemed it inappropriate (or even merely "potentially inappropriate".)
And you determined their methods... how?
TUROK
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While I don't think the issue in the OP is a big deal, I do find it funny when feminists get offended when people prefer to refer themselves as egalitarians rather than feminists in regard to being for gender equality. Seems pretty hypocritical.
I am inferring based on what I see. If you can explain to me how anyone can rationally arrive at the conclusion that "freshman" is somehow exclusive of any group, I'm all ears. The word has about as much connotation of gender as "Sophomore" does of stupidity.
That's a pretty bad reason to start making accusations. You can't imagine it therefore it must be some unthinking orthodoxy? Yeah, that's just a pretty classic argument from ignorance. You can't imagine what else it can be therefore it must be that. The problem is the limits of your imagination are a very poor argument.
It's practically "I disagree with their decision so they must not have put rational thought into it!"
TheChewyWaffles
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Men will be freshdicks
Women will be freshbitches
There, everyone's happy.
Women will be freshbitches
There, everyone's happy.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It still is a common practice to refer to humans as 'man'. Where do you people even come from? For all mankind? Heard this very popular not too distant phrase?
Anachronistic? Learn the actual English language.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
SatelliteOfLove
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It's official Duke > UNC then?
Ether_Snake
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Remove the word man from woman!!!!!!!!!!
lastplayed
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Men are weak.
You are wrong because it has never been the case that the word "man" was not gender neutral. True, it acquires the meaning of 'male' by the Middle Ages, but it never ceases to also be gender neutral. Consequently, it's irrelevant if the word "policeman" or whatever arose after the word 'man' acquired "male" as separate meaning. Thus, "man" is still a gender neutral word, and it's use within English is proper.
I can get behind "Freshwo" for the women.
Am i a shitty person for giggling at this name?
My argument is based on the presumption that changing a word with no gender connotations to make it more gender neutral can not have any rational thought behind it because it is irrational. If you disagree, feel free to elaborate.
Why would I elaborate when your position has no argument behind it, merely a declaration? You're more or less affirming what I said at the end, you're saying because you disagree they couldn't possibly have put rational thought behind it without actually demonstrating anything. There's no thought put into why, your argument amounts to you saying you're right and they must be irrational as they do not agree.
EDIT: Oh, wtf! How did this bump? I saw this as an active topic on the main page. I am not a bumper, never have been. Many, many apologies on that front. Not trying to bring this back up, especially with vitriol. Sorry, folks.
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It this thread, a bunch of butthurt sexist men whine and make terrible jokes because they're uncomfortable with change, gender analysis, and gender equality. Keep it classy, gents.
And yeah, I think this is a good move by UNC. Being animals with large frontal lobes that have evolved to utilize symbolic thought and language, humans are bound within language and symbol, and thus language and symbol are incredibly powerful. Intentionally using language is necessary to create the space and foundation of any fundamental, radical, or systemic change. Of course, there will always been those who are uncomfortable with it, who stand to lose from it, who yearn for the "good ol' days" when things were simpler, more straight-forward, more honest, less PC, i.e. patriarchal, racist, classist, etc. Too bad for you, folks. Times, they are a changin'.
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It this thread, a bunch of butthurt sexist men whine and make terrible jokes because they're uncomfortable with change, gender analysis, and gender equality. Keep it classy, gents.
And yeah, I think this is a good move by UNC. Being animals with large frontal lobes that have evolved to utilize symbolic thought and language, humans are bound within language and symbol, and thus language and symbol are incredibly powerful. Intentionally using language is necessary to create the space and foundation of any fundamental, radical, or systemic change. Of course, there will always been those who are uncomfortable with it, who stand to lose from it, who yearn for the "good ol' days" when things were simpler, more straight-forward, more honest, less PC, i.e. patriarchal, racist, classist, etc. Too bad for you, folks. Times, they are a changin'.
POWERSPHERE
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Just call them all Freshies.
blame space
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oh noooooo
Ravensmash
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Steve Youngblood
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What an odd thread bump.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Random bump.
Fresher is such a fucking stupid word.
Fresher is such a fucking stupid word.
Remember that thread from before Halloween last year? I hate that thread.
Also, I want to be a freshprincess.
This is also the same city that proposed banning walking while using a cellphone.
This is a singular instance of taking PC too far - not a move towards gender equality. They should have spent their time and resources in cleaning out their African American Studies corruption issues IMO.
cheststrongwell
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Deified Data
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Whatever. If they don't mind being mocked for being called "freshpeople" then neither do I.
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