-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves | The Official Thread
- Thread starter KilgoreTrout
- Start date
- Status
D
Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
bender endlessly spitting out drink in shock.gifNewBrof said:
:lolFFObsessed said:The first Uncharted is still constantly freeing for me. I thought it was an issue with FW 3.00 which was fixed with 3.01? Yeah not so fixed.
edit: Just froze while loading up :lol
edit2: omg I'm a retard. Just checked and I'm still on FW 3.00. I was certain I updated but like I said I'm a 'tard.
It's okay, you had a blonde moment.
Amazing game thus far. I have to touch on the visuals, though. I can't believe how incredible it looks. Really is the most impressive looking console game I've seen to date. It literally has every one of the "next-gen effects" present and accounted for. Each of those effects are done to a higher level of quality than I'm used to seeing. Amazing lighting, nearly flawless shadows, fantastic shaders, solid framerate with no tearing, high quality object motion blur, screen space ambient occlusion, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering etc. Honestly, I thought people were a bit off for comparison Uncharted to Crysis back in 2007, but I do think UC2 is absolutely on par with it. The scale is still much smaller and more limited, obviously, but the quality of each effect seems every bit as high quality (if not more so) as Crysis. The snowy landscapes at the beginning, for instance, compare very favorably to the snowy areas of Crysis (honestly, I think it looks even better in UC2).
I think the use of SSAO really improves the cohesiveness of the visuals the most. Everything just blends together really well. It completely blows away what they did with the original game. I have to say that the stable framerate also plays a massive role as UC1 had lots of screen tearing and slowdown. The fact that you can now jump into a pool of water and NOT have the framerate take a dive is nice indeed.
Literally every single problem the original game suffered from has been addressed and then some. Pretty amazing. I can't think of another developer this gen that has shown this much improvement between their two games. It's rare that issues people had with an original are addressed. Case in point, Halo 3 and its low resolution issues. I had kind of expected Bungie to at least try to improve the image quality of ODST, but they literally did nothing. The engine runs exactly the same as it did in 2007. No improvements were made. This seems to be the norm, unfortunately.
I think the use of SSAO really improves the cohesiveness of the visuals the most. Everything just blends together really well. It completely blows away what they did with the original game. I have to say that the stable framerate also plays a massive role as UC1 had lots of screen tearing and slowdown. The fact that you can now jump into a pool of water and NOT have the framerate take a dive is nice indeed.
Literally every single problem the original game suffered from has been addressed and then some. Pretty amazing. I can't think of another developer this gen that has shown this much improvement between their two games. It's rare that issues people had with an original are addressed. Case in point, Halo 3 and its low resolution issues. I had kind of expected Bungie to at least try to improve the image quality of ODST, but they literally did nothing. The engine runs exactly the same as it did in 2007. No improvements were made. This seems to be the norm, unfortunately.
What's wrong with the writing here? It's pretty solid all around, I think. It's definitely on par with what you might see in a film, though certainly not the best films. It seems very natural.
NewBrof said:
Well, I actually think they have the best writing in a videogame I have seen thus far... Can't really think of any other game that tops this. The personality of every main character really shines through in this game. It'll be mighty hard for Naughty Dog to beat themselves again...
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Lord Error said:
Absolutely. I laughed pretty good on multiple occasions last night.
The early museum:
"There's a guy above you!"..... "There's a guy below you".
JumpJeff84
Member
Picked it up yesterday. A friend and I are gonna play through the single player this weekend, so I've banned myself from playing the story before then.
Last night I tried out the co-op arena though- fun as hell. Played for over 2 hours.
Last night I tried out the co-op arena though- fun as hell. Played for over 2 hours.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
bobbytkc said:
I can't forget it, because I haven't even heard it yet. A-hole.
bobbytkc said:
you write it yourself: the best writing in a game. So we know that the bar is not that high
yeah, you too: solid, not the best films ...
Why not have writing on par with <enter great movie name here> ?
well, at least it is obvious that Noughty Dog has the will to improve even if their customers are satisfied with what they get...
badcrumble
Member
The puzzle scenes could certainly grate on a second playthrough. Fortunate that there's chapter selection, I suppose.Rez said:
I really think the tech side of things is pretty much perfected at this point, and the gameplay is pretty much there as well. I can't possibly see Uncharted 3 being as big of a leap as this one, but I'll be happy with new enemies, new environments, new setpieces, some new characters, and a new story.
I really struggle to see how Uncharted 3 can POSSIBLY top this game though. Naughty Dog have outdone themselves and everyone else.
What sort of exotic locations are left to do? All I can think of is a desert (could be extremely awesome) and maybe some underwater ruins of some sort. I wouldn't mind seeing some jungle that allows you to platform through the canopy, either - more nonlinear platforming like that would open up nice possibilities for stealth/combat.
Ended up getting up to and playing some of Chapter 5 last night. Gunplay feels largely the same (unfortunately), but so far there seems to be far more variety in the gameplay in general (nice balance between stealth, platforming and gunplay in the first five chapters, though exploration still seems minimal), as well as more variety in the visuals and locales. The cutscenes and storytelling in general have also seen a big improvement - they're well-acted, paced and directed, and fun to watch.
Regardless of the quality of Uncharted's writing, man, people really romanticize movie writing. By the standards being espoused in this thread, 95% of movies are B-quality or worse, and, following this, Uncharted has no chance of matching THE ENGLISH PATIENT. Well no shit.
My one issue with the writing (and it's not much of an issue at all) is that all the sexuality is a little extreme. It was in the first game, too, where within an hour of the game opening we'd already had Sully established as the smuttiest vagina eater on the Eastern seaboard.
Far be it from me to compare Amy Hennig to whoever penned Paul Blart: Mall Cop without someone snickering, but I'm looking at a list of the top 30 movies this year in terms of budget and nothing sticks out to me as obviously superior to Uncharted. Or, actually, most games that focus on cinematic presentation.
The depreciation of the hobby is excessive and unnecessary. It's not that bad.
edit: Uncharted is MASSIVELY better written and acted than EITHER National Treasure movie, particularly the first. Diane Kruger barely speaks English in that movie.
My one issue with the writing (and it's not much of an issue at all) is that all the sexuality is a little extreme. It was in the first game, too, where within an hour of the game opening we'd already had Sully established as the smuttiest vagina eater on the Eastern seaboard.
Far be it from me to compare Amy Hennig to whoever penned Paul Blart: Mall Cop without someone snickering, but I'm looking at a list of the top 30 movies this year in terms of budget and nothing sticks out to me as obviously superior to Uncharted. Or, actually, most games that focus on cinematic presentation.
The depreciation of the hobby is excessive and unnecessary. It's not that bad.
edit: Uncharted is MASSIVELY better written and acted than EITHER National Treasure movie, particularly the first. Diane Kruger barely speaks English in that movie.
BobTheFork
Member
I just had that conversation a few hours ago. I had to stop playing and laugh for a good minute. The best part is you get money for doing that.bobbytkc said:
badcrumble
Member
ND could pretty easily, I think, have a very windswept desert/dune setting with a similar effect to the snow-footprints and perhaps something akin to (or better than) Killzone 2's moving texture of sand being blown along the ground. Only problem with the desert is that there's generally less of an opportunity for vertical level design, but I'm certain that they could make it very technically impressive despite the overall lack of color in such an environment.bobbytkc said:
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Started the game last night and it's incredible. Uncharted is, IMO, THE PS3 franchise, bar none. Worth buying the system for, and it lives up to the hype and will continue to do so in people's memories even after people have finished it (unlike KZ2, Heavenly Sword, etc. which are all good games with good points but ultimately fairly forgettable, IMO). Graphics and sound are both great, and I'm loving it.
Now for my minor, nit-picky complaints: Stealth?...Really? Damn I hate that shit. It wasn't hard but I hope there isn't any more later in the game. I don't recall any forced stealth sections in the first game where you couldn't just shoot your way through.
Second, I just don't like Chloe. I don't like her voice, and in cutscenes there is something...wrong with the way her face is modeled. It doesn't look like a normal human. At the very least it's somewhat ugly. It's odd and I end up focusing on her weirdness whenever she's on-screen and trying to figure out what it is that doesn't work. Is it the eyes? Are the too close together? I don't know.
Like I said, nit-picky. I love the game.
Now for my minor, nit-picky complaints: Stealth?...Really? Damn I hate that shit. It wasn't hard but I hope there isn't any more later in the game. I don't recall any forced stealth sections in the first game where you couldn't just shoot your way through.
Second, I just don't like Chloe. I don't like her voice, and in cutscenes there is something...wrong with the way her face is modeled. It doesn't look like a normal human. At the very least it's somewhat ugly. It's odd and I end up focusing on her weirdness whenever she's on-screen and trying to figure out what it is that doesn't work. Is it the eyes? Are the too close together? I don't know.
Like I said, nit-picky. I love the game.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Every console developer needs to go to ND when it comes to VA and facial modeling.
I enjoyed that part, actually, and thought it was a good design in that it teaches you all about stealth which can then be applied to the game proper. You can attack many scenarios using stealth or simply go in guns a blazing. A dedicated (and easy) stealth segment was a great way to demonstrate all of the different possibilities available to the player while moving forward with the story. The game has a very natural progression to it that keeps things interesting for experienced players but still introduces different mechanics in a staggered fashion for new players.
What about the stealth bothered you? The AI is not oversensitive, which is good, the locations are not overly complex, and the execution of stealth take downs is simple yet satisfying.
As far as I know, however, there are no additional forced stealth segments in the game.
Yeah, this make a HUGE difference. It was cool to see all of the moves they had in the original, but they were way too accurate in detecting where the player was aiming. Not a good idea. The AI here is more balanced and enjoyable to engage. Furthermore, the melee system is much more refined and mixes very well with the gunplay.
D
Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Except Valve!
Dark, some people are just not ever going to like it. There was really nothing super offensive about THAT stealth segment. People just don't like stealth. It is a restrictive gameplay type that some people don't enjoy. I loved it though.
And then amirox fell through the floor.
edit: The melee system is massively improved. Since enemies can counter now, you can't just run up to them and mash. Furthermore, you can't run up to them in a firefight because encounters can take long enough to get you killed. In the past game, whenever I was challenged, I'd just go melee on their faces.
And then amirox fell through the floor.
edit: The melee system is massively improved. Since enemies can counter now, you can't just run up to them and mash. Furthermore, you can't run up to them in a firefight because encounters can take long enough to get you killed. In the past game, whenever I was challenged, I'd just go melee on their faces.
sleeping_dragon
Banned
Uncharted 2 is like The Da Vinci Code - a surprise masterpiece. I sincerly hope that Uncharted 3 wont end up like the Lost Symbol though.:lol
Fenderputty
Banned
Played for about 4 hours last night. Got to chapter 11. Had to put it down. Such a sweet game.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
dark10x said:
It's just a pet peeve. I think it's fairly well known at this point that most gamers in general hate stealth segments where an alert instantly ends the game and reloads from the beginning of the stealth sequence, but devs keep putting these sequences in and it pisses me off. If a game has stealth sections, I prefer the MGS method where alerts are not insta-death events. Like I said, that section is not hard, but the first couple of times the whistle blew and I was reset, I had horrible flashbacks to Windwaker and the awful stealth sequence in that game.
The only bad thing I can say about Uncharted 2 is that it sets the bar too high for other console games ...:lol It's easily the best looking console game ever. I'm on the train right now and so far, I haven't seen a game even come close to this kind of visual quality. ND delivers big time.
supermackem
Banned
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Bad_Boy said:
Yeah it really is its own beast. I think we all expected it to be good but I have honestly not said holy fuck this many times in any game.
Host Samurai
Member
So far I absolutely LOVE the game. Its very polished, animation and graphics are top notch and its fun as hell.
My ONLY complaint so far (I did not beat it yet ) the same issue as the first game. Where the hell are some boss battles? I dont understand why ND wont put bosses in this series, instead I am fighting waves of generic cannon fodder.
Unique Boss>>>>>>>>Waves of cannon fodder any day. Why cant ND make a few "Boss henchmen" It does not have to be as crazy as the bosses in the MGS series but its always fun to have some sort of battle with a boss to break up some of the sections.
My ONLY complaint so far (I did not beat it yet ) the same issue as the first game. Where the hell are some boss battles? I dont understand why ND wont put bosses in this series, instead I am fighting waves of generic cannon fodder.
Unique Boss>>>>>>>>Waves of cannon fodder any day. Why cant ND make a few "Boss henchmen" It does not have to be as crazy as the bosses in the MGS series but its always fun to have some sort of battle with a boss to break up some of the sections.
MortalMonkey
Member
I'm sure this may have already been asked, but here goes anyway: Is there a guide up yet for treasure locations? Thanks all.
- Status