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Uncharted 2: Among Thieves | The Official Thread
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Dedication Through Light
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mr_nothin said:
Its like that in The Fort too!
mr_nothin said:
Getting lucky isn't a bad thing. When I used to play CS I would get a kill every now and then. If a new guy takes me out in UC I don't mind, normally it's my fault, or he got lucky. The amount of times low level players and people I know are worse than me are taking me out has more than doubled. I'm still doing fine, just don't want all those ridiculously lucky spam kills/run and gun kills.
CrushDance said:
Hey, she makes bitchin' tacos. Our families were pretty close when I was growing up, so it's not abnormal for her to call every now and then when she's making something that I like.
I bitch an awful lot in this thread, but I really do love the game and play it on a regular basis with a ton of different players. DtI is really the only thing that bugs me about the game.
I will play soon, my fine fellows.
Welp, just came across a Plaza glitch apparently. Some guy was shooting through the walls across the whole map...funny thing is, is that we still won. :lol
i have the cinema file saved.
edit: I'm watching it now and i'm not sure how the hell he did it. at 1st he was playing regularly and then out of nowhere he just shoots some guy through a wall. Then he dies and when he spawns...he's killed instantly by a bullet out of nowhere then you cant see him any more.
Weird, he's barely even aiming at ppl and still killing them.
edit 2: Ok so he didnt actually kill the guy through a wall the 1st time. The guy was just lagging. But he did end up going out of the map and killing everyone.
i have the cinema file saved.
edit: I'm watching it now and i'm not sure how the hell he did it. at 1st he was playing regularly and then out of nowhere he just shoots some guy through a wall. Then he dies and when he spawns...he's killed instantly by a bullet out of nowhere then you cant see him any more.
Weird, he's barely even aiming at ppl and still killing them.
edit 2: Ok so he didnt actually kill the guy through a wall the 1st time. The guy was just lagging. But he did end up going out of the map and killing everyone.
msdstc said:
I hope these are just your early on reactions because mostly you're used to the style of play our MP normally is. Give it some time as both experienced and inexperienced players start to learn new strategies and new playstyles and see what you think then.
after playing with these tweaks internally for a week, i go home and then get owned by noobs all night until i readjust. it'll take some time. hey, maybe you'll still hate it, who knows.
arne said:
Well I played for about 3 hours. Overall I have a 2.4 KD. Today I struggled to even approach that in games I would normally dominate. This is one of the few games that I've actually been dedicated to online this Gen the other being Resistance 1.
I did make adjustments and got a bit better I suppose. That being said there's nothing you can do to stop somebody killing you with one sniper shot, or just sittin in the base and firing away in there. Health is too low and it's too easy to take people out.
edit- Another view for me on games is, you can have great reactions and pin point aim, but if you can't play smart you won't excel. It's harder to play smart, a health system like this promotes run and gun or camping.
CrushDance
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Holy shit.
Arne, I don't usually say this to developers since you guys are kings. BUT, you guys done gone f'd up with the weekend tweaks.
Like if someone grabs the Uzi, GG. I know it's not permanent and it's a nice change of pace, but if you guys were testing the waters or whatever for Uncharted 3. Please reconsider, what's greabt about Uncharted is the small firefights and back and forth between players.
Arne, I don't usually say this to developers since you guys are kings. BUT, you guys done gone f'd up with the weekend tweaks.
Like if someone grabs the Uzi, GG. I know it's not permanent and it's a nice change of pace, but if you guys were testing the waters or whatever for Uncharted 3. Please reconsider, what's greabt about Uncharted is the small firefights and back and forth between players.
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in a hypothetical world where this is actually a test for any future projects, you'd have to imagine that the game would be correctly balanced around a similar play-style, and contain maps that correctly accommodate the lower health.CrushDance said:
Well I've adjusted and pistols it is. I'm starting to see everyone switch over to pistols now.arne said:
But I still cant get over the fact that if I see a guy a split second later than him, that' i'm dead by the time my aim comes up. We can both round a corner and see each other around the same time but I'm dead by the time my aim comes up right. I can rarely react to anything. Nobody's playing smart in UC2 anymore and if you try to, then you'll be caught in cover from behind or shot from all different angles or melee'd from the back.
You guys keep dropping the health down further and further. I still liked how it was in the 1st beta where ppl were semi-bulletsponges. I still havent had that dream game of 2 teams working together and using cover and advancing/flanking. Well I had it the 1st game I played of "The Fort" and that was awesome.
Everyone plays pretty much the same now. Maybe I should play Plunder more and less deathmatch.
That's what I enjoyed about UC2 the most. The epic chases and "where the hell did he go????" and the flanking. It's been toned down a lot.CrushDance said:
Awww we're ganging up on Arne
CrushDance
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I agree, for example: power weapons are now basically useless/overkill because the AK alone will tear through enemies like nothing. Most battles are like 5 seconds now befoe someone drops.Rez said:
Oh! I'm finally using the FAL now
mr_nothin said:
Just put the damn health back to where it was. The game has been out for however long now, people have settled in, why with all these changes do we have to keep making changes? You talk about pistols... is it a good thing? Pistols are a secondary weapon, the fact that it's a primary weapon is a mistake unless you have the deagle. It's COD right now, whoever sees first wins.
edit- you said we're ganging up.
I do feel bad I don't want to bash and otherwise incredible game. I'm trying to get heard... hopefully the more I bitch and the more people speak up we can get it back to where it was, and focus on the real problems at hand, maybe something like the grenades.
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this is just for the weekend.msdstc said:
Rez said:
That's what I hope... but they're experimenting. Obviously they're thinking about changing the health system. Honestly there was never anything wrong with the health system, in fact there wasn't much wrong at all, why fix what's not broken? I'm all for improvements, but not like this.
Dedication Through Light
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Possible Issue, in taunts, Im only level 43, but it says that I cant buy "Pump", however, it is checked green on the screen and when I go to profile, I can set my taunt to "Pump".
It says I can buy it at level 53.
It says I can buy it at level 53.
msdstc said:
gotta agree with this. The health is making plunder totally unstrategic. Played 3 games. Won them all. but any sembalnce of nuance to the gameplay is gone. I can be shooting someone, run up to him, and while we both melee one another, we both die. There were so many instances of this now that ... well, I was like 'this is great for farming kills... but this is not fun'
want to play this new low health mode and do well, use the fal. its ridiculous how unbalanced it feels.
Jax said:
exactly my point. I talked in my previous posts about camping at the base... stand at a distance, I mean you can use just about any gun, the FAL or the M4 are devastating. With full health you can find cover and then the battle is on as you work to outsmart/flank your opponent.
The other thing about "farming kills", I have a few friends like this who like to just run into groups and basically kamikaze. I don't believe in kills as a measure of how good somebody is... KD definitely matters more, but this tweak has turned it into one of those run and gun spam games.
MoonsaultSlayer
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While i didn't have a problem with the lowered health, I do see a major issue. Since the game hypes traversal gunplay, this is now crippled with lowered health. You can't climb your way to freedom anymore and hanging in general is just asking to be raped with bullets. Before, you could drop, shimmy, or pull yourself up and be on the verge of death.
Like I said, I didn't have an issue with the one game I tried... but that's because people died so quickly I barely felt any pressure. This new health benefits better players. Not cool. I was already coming in first 9 times out of 10. Let me earn my kills again lol.
Like I said, I didn't have an issue with the one game I tried... but that's because people died so quickly I barely felt any pressure. This new health benefits better players. Not cool. I was already coming in first 9 times out of 10. Let me earn my kills again lol.
paperheart
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This low health thing is fun... for getting lots of points in no time. It's so easy to kill your enemies now, it's ridiculous. I'm on the fence, I like it, but I don't. I like that it makes the matches quick, but it's not fun if I'm going to be at the top or close to the top every round. I played just Deathmatch since the low health thing was introduced, so I don't know how it's like on any other playlist.
Dedication Through Light
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I feel that at times its just a hit or miss thing. Sometimes it seems like you get hit in two hits, and other times it feels normal. I need to play more to finally make my final thoughts.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Wow, I just started playing thisonline today..
My first match, I was kind of "meh", I didn't really see why I'd want to play Uncharted online or how it would be any fun, really.
The second match it really started to click with me. I love how the areas are multi-level, allowing for the climbing, I love plunder only.. I love plunder! I'm only level 7, but after a few matches I can see how it is such fun. If the health is temporary like this, I think it is ok, but could use maybe a little tweak higher. It is hard to react indeed at times. But I like!
Though Ido hate that I'm the only low level player. Everyone in my matches is like 40 or 50.
My first match, I was kind of "meh", I didn't really see why I'd want to play Uncharted online or how it would be any fun, really.
The second match it really started to click with me. I love how the areas are multi-level, allowing for the climbing, I love plunder only.. I love plunder! I'm only level 7, but after a few matches I can see how it is such fun. If the health is temporary like this, I think it is ok, but could use maybe a little tweak higher. It is hard to react indeed at times. But I like!
Though Ido hate that I'm the only low level player. Everyone in my matches is like 40 or 50.
paperheart
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The Fort is still there.slider said:
It was in the patch, which will forever stay there. You didn't miss it.MoonsaultSlayer
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Actually, I'm no longer coming in first... maybe this is more challenging.
Fix warp grabs and roll/cover controls and we have an excellent game here.
Fix warp grabs and roll/cover controls and we have an excellent game here.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Not sure I'd want to play plunder with low health.... you wont even have time to throw the treasure once you see an enemy. That ruins the mode big time.
DownLikeBCPowder
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MoonsaultSlayer said:
In my experience so far, you can!
Good games indeed (I'm Pilliwinks). The health is doing wonders to shorten the learning curve for us new guys. Seeing as how this was my first real night of play (played 2-3 games the prior 2 nights) I don't have any opinion on the normal health rate. All I can say is I had fun today.Kittonwy said:GG guyz, Fort was MADE for teh FAL riflez.
Played a bunch of plunder tonight.
Like the new grenade timers.
Not a fan of the new low health. It's very hard to use cover reactively. I can still kill very well, sometimes it's too easy, but likewise, many of my own deaths feel unwarranted.
I think the new health almost promotes camping of sorts. Instead of fast paced play and taking cover when necessary, the game is now better played proactively, taking cover in anticipation of an attack and ambushing.
Perhaps it's because I'm playing plunder, but it seemed counterproductive. And although many of the teams I was playing with and against tonight weren't the best; many plunder matches were frustratingly ending in 15 minute long stalemates.
There's now also less emphasis on certain power weapons - and more emphasis on the sniper rifle - but that's not really a bad thing.
To be honest I would have rather seen more specific damage value adjustments over an across the board health reduction. My own playstyle of ranged burst firing remains effective, but it's become more of a coin toss at closer ranges. I've found that accuracy isn't as important as speed now in situations where both players target each other; death comes quickly hitting any body part and there's less need to conserve your clip of ammo.
Like the new grenade timers.
Not a fan of the new low health. It's very hard to use cover reactively. I can still kill very well, sometimes it's too easy, but likewise, many of my own deaths feel unwarranted.
I think the new health almost promotes camping of sorts. Instead of fast paced play and taking cover when necessary, the game is now better played proactively, taking cover in anticipation of an attack and ambushing.
Perhaps it's because I'm playing plunder, but it seemed counterproductive. And although many of the teams I was playing with and against tonight weren't the best; many plunder matches were frustratingly ending in 15 minute long stalemates.
There's now also less emphasis on certain power weapons - and more emphasis on the sniper rifle - but that's not really a bad thing.
To be honest I would have rather seen more specific damage value adjustments over an across the board health reduction. My own playstyle of ranged burst firing remains effective, but it's become more of a coin toss at closer ranges. I've found that accuracy isn't as important as speed now in situations where both players target each other; death comes quickly hitting any body part and there's less need to conserve your clip of ammo.
CartridgeBlower
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This game is completely fucked now that they've lowered the health. All the weapons are borked. As others have said, power guns are useless. Grenades are even more deadly. Snipers are everywhere now, one hit killing with a leg shot. Pistol 'run and gunning' is rampant. So much for cover.
Really hope this is just for the weekend. There was more flanking and covering before. Don't know what Naughty Dog was expecting with this. You can't just lower health and not tweak or balance any of the guns.
Really hope this is just for the weekend. There was more flanking and covering before. Don't know what Naughty Dog was expecting with this. You can't just lower health and not tweak or balance any of the guns.
endlessflood
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So what's the best Uncharted 2 machinima going around? I don't follow this thread very closely but haven't seen any mentioned here, other than WinFonda's GameTrailers entry.
Well thank you for the plugendlessflood said:
And here is the Book of Eli trailer done with UC2's cinema mode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipokNv3wd0
Played around 20 matches with this reduced health tweak and honestly I do not like it so far. Some weapons lost their identity, some became too powerful. If someone starts shooting at you from the back you won't have time to take cover and initiate an awesome 1v1 mini battle. It's like mr_nothin said:
EDIT:
A poll is already up on ND's website about this experiment:
http://www.naughtydog.com/
With the original health system different types of kills and battle scenarios can occur, and this adds much fun to the matches.mr_nothin said:
EDIT:
A poll is already up on ND's website about this experiment:
http://www.naughtydog.com/
Low health completely breaks the game I will never buy a naughty dog game or any future DLC if they make it permanent.
Especially considering the test alone is pandering to a small vocal minority of complainers that want two bullets shot in the feet to kill like the call of duty series.
How about they actually fix things that need changing like throwing grenades at feet before death being better than the revenge booster which is completely useless.
Or the ridiculous amount of money its takes to get max rank. $50 million for top rank... ahh yeah no thanks naughty dog.
No wonder the online community is so dead most people have just resorted to grinding co op missions to lelel up reducing the number of people playing online. If they acted and made 2x $ to kills and medals pernament I think they could turn it around. It would still take a huge amount of time even with this in place.
Especially considering the test alone is pandering to a small vocal minority of complainers that want two bullets shot in the feet to kill like the call of duty series.
How about they actually fix things that need changing like throwing grenades at feet before death being better than the revenge booster which is completely useless.
Or the ridiculous amount of money its takes to get max rank. $50 million for top rank... ahh yeah no thanks naughty dog.
No wonder the online community is so dead most people have just resorted to grinding co op missions to lelel up reducing the number of people playing online. If they acted and made 2x $ to kills and medals pernament I think they could turn it around. It would still take a huge amount of time even with this in place.
Arne,
The spawning problem I was having on Sanctuary has toned down since earlier. Still happens but not as often.
Also, I've just been blown up by my own grenade...that I just watched fly all the way across the room and kill someone else. It's happened 2 times. I'll watch the grenade kill somebody and then 2 seconds after my grenade blows up, i'll die from it.
The spawning problem I was having on Sanctuary has toned down since earlier. Still happens but not as often.
Also, I've just been blown up by my own grenade...that I just watched fly all the way across the room and kill someone else. It's happened 2 times. I'll watch the grenade kill somebody and then 2 seconds after my grenade blows up, i'll die from it.
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