TheExecutive
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Ploid 3.0 said:
Its always the danger of dissecting a game, you tend to look over the whole experience in the goal of picking it to peices. ITs a really poor reviewing technique
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Uncharted 2: Among Thieves | The Official Thread
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Its always the danger of dissecting a game, you tend to look over the whole experience in the goal of picking it to peices. ITs a really poor reviewing technique
I'm 4 hours into the story, and yes, this game is that damned good. My jaw has been hanging open the entire time!
Every little minor gripe that I had about Drake's Fortune has been addressed. So far the pacing is absolutely perfect, and the controls (even the melee combat) is spot-on.
Go pre-buy it NOW!
btw, "pics or it didn't happen"
Every little minor gripe that I had about Drake's Fortune has been addressed. So far the pacing is absolutely perfect, and the controls (even the melee combat) is spot-on.
Go pre-buy it NOW!
btw, "pics or it didn't happen"
Rapping Granny
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Fuck, came on to play but PSN is down.
TheExecutive
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Torgo said:
thanks for the impressions
very very jealous
edit: anyone getting on add me: TheExecutive. I am getting sick of playing with randoms
oldschlgmr
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Avoid the Gametrailers review... I can't believe how many spoilers were in there.
I can understand this 'lack of originality' criticism some reviewers go through, but if I were a reviewer of a game that has excellent quality and performance, I'd only deduct 0.1-0.2 points from the overall score if that game 'lacks originality' or hasn't brought newer ideas to its predecessor. I mean, 8/10 from Gamereactor? Really? And their only complaint was 'lack of originality'. :/
I think GameSpot.Yoboman said:
AltogetherAndrews
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LaneDS said:
Which would make any comments in regards to a lack of originality rather ironic.
Shining Sunshine
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Other people mentioned BF2, but I would even give it to 2003's Planetside even though it is an MMOFPS.LaneDS said:
TheExecutive
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Jaroof said:
I guarantee a 5 star rating. Anyone wanna bet? Oh and long live quicklooks.
Hydrargyrus
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8.9 on Desing in GameTrailers?
C'mon, what did they expect?
"We need more marines and less statues on the Tibet!"
I don't know why i'm surprised...
C'mon, what did they expect?
"We need more marines and less statues on the Tibet!"
I don't know why i'm surprised...
TheExecutive
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Hydrargyrus said:
8.9 seems a little low, but I havent played it yet. However, I will pry disagree with it but thats how opinions go...
Andronicus
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Yeef said:
TheExecutive
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MrDenny said:
Yeah, they never disappoint. I watched a couple of seconds and the footage was AMAZING. I cant believe this game looks this good.
DevelopmentArrested
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you mean like the email some internet ass clown sent Anthony G. from Gamespy saying that he deserves to be raped and murdered for giving Uncharted 2 a 4.5/5 instead of a 5? again, people need to find something better to do with their life if they are complaining about HIGH scores in the first goddamned place.TheExecutive said:
TheExecutive
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DevelopmentArrested said:
Well, I took your post as a response to the thread you posted in, silly me. Oh and btw that is very screwed up.
Dedication Through Light
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agaru said:
They still wouldnt review it until the game actually releases right?
And, did they really put that OPM review score on the boxart?!
TheExecutive
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Dedication Through Light said:They still wouldnt review it until the game actually releases right?
And, did they really put that OPM review score on the boxart?!
Of course they did! It will really help sell the game!
Truespeed
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Any reviewer that gives Uncharted 2 a score of less than 10/10, 5/5 or an A+ is an idiot. The game sets new benchmarks in every category, yet it doesn't stop these fools from awarding lesser games higher scores. We need to transition to a new scoring system - the kitty moisture scale:
agaru said:
That's about all they could invent to criticize Uncharted 2. And the "gamey" approach used to trash excellent games in the past didn't go over well. It's interesting that GT cited a lack of originality in Halo 3 but still rated it 9.8. Even more amusing is how GT talked up Halo 3's "sharp and witty" writing and "impeccable" voice acting. :lol
:lol Regarding the value, the GT reviewer even utters the phrase "The Chief is no thief." I feel like I just lost a few IQ points watching that Halo 3 review.Where can I find some game review videos that are directed at a demographic above borderline intellectual functioning?
:lolTruespeed said:Any reviewer that gives Uncharted 2 a score of less than 10/10, 5/5 or an A+ is an idiot. The game sets new benchmarks in every category, yet it doesn't stop these fools from awarding lesser games higher scores. We need to transition to a new scoring system - the kitty moisture scale:
Hydrargyrus
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Firestorm said:
Oh, yes, it's me.
I'm not complaining about the rest, only about the design note, that doesn't have a lot of sense...
It's seems like I must agree with all the reviews...
But, if you want, you can insult me like before
I'm not complaining about the 9.3 review score. Whatever it's a great score and I'm buying the game regardless. But, honestly if you don't find anything wrong/hypocritical about GT's Uncharted 2 review relative to the games rated higher than it this gen, you're an idiot. I can't be more clear than that. I'm not going to waste my time picking apart the review as that would be just lame and others have been doing so anyways. GT f'd up.
EDIT: Some random post I found on the GT messages that kind of sums it up:
"The problem isn't necessarily the score itself; it's the double standard that is at work here. 9.3 is a great score on its own, but when you compare it to other titles that have done better (GTA4 - 10, Halo 3 - 9.8, Gears 2 - 9.5), you really leave yourself scratching your head at this one.
The reason they seemingly docked points for Uncharted 2 lies in their criticism of its originality (or lack thereof). The problem with this critique is that it has never been leveled as prominently and as harshly for those other titles I listed, if at all.
Halo 3's gameplay is the same basic core from Halo 1, which released back in 2001. Gears 2's gameplay is the same basic core from Gears of War's gameplay, which was taken (but refined) from Kill.switch on the PS2. Grand Theft Auto 4 actually removed features from the series while adding in a shoehorned, and largely horribly implemented, cover mechanic with poor gunplay. The core gameplay, however, is pretty standard fare GTA series, only with worse mission design. How is that original? Where was the critique of its originality?
So why did these games get a free pass? Did Gears 2 get a free pass because Gears 1 claimed to be the innovator? You see, it doesn't work like that. Gears 2 stopped being original once it used the same concept from the first. Ditto for Halo 3. So where was the criticism for those titles?
How many other titles this gen look and play like the Uncharted series? An organic world with saturated colors and believable characters...In an industry filled with bald space marines, generic stories and no character development whatsoever, the Uncharted series is bringing a breath of fresh air to an industry that is largely stagnating from an artistic point of view. Uncharted 2 is going to be a game changing title in that it will change consumer's perceptions about videogames as a valid form of entertainment; no longer will people shrug off videogames as something amateurish and for children. Uncharted 2 breaks a whole lot of new ground in terms of its production values and how the medium can advance in the future, and for that it has the highest praise I can give it as an innovator for videogames. You see, 'innovation' doesn't merely have to be about gameplay mechanics.
It's really unfortunate that innovation is even a criteria for whether or not a game is worthy of the highest praise. For some reason, a lack of innovation is seen as negative; but if the title is using proven concepts and adding a layer of polish not seen in other titles, why can't that be highly praised? Why does it have to be seen as a negative? And it's not as though there are many (if any) games like Uncharted 2. Sure, it has similar mechanics to Gears. Sure, it has platforming that is similar to other games. Sure, it has puzzles like many other titles do. But when you combine these elements, is there really ANY game like Uncharted? No, there absolutely is not. And from a holistic view, Uncharted is most certainly an innovator.
This is yet another review that ruins the credibility of this site. It's unfortunate, too, because the first review of Uncharted was also unfairly criticized by GameTrailers. I was hoping that they'd leave the double standards behind for Uncharted 2, but apparently not."
EDIT: Some random post I found on the GT messages that kind of sums it up:
"The problem isn't necessarily the score itself; it's the double standard that is at work here. 9.3 is a great score on its own, but when you compare it to other titles that have done better (GTA4 - 10, Halo 3 - 9.8, Gears 2 - 9.5), you really leave yourself scratching your head at this one.
The reason they seemingly docked points for Uncharted 2 lies in their criticism of its originality (or lack thereof). The problem with this critique is that it has never been leveled as prominently and as harshly for those other titles I listed, if at all.
Halo 3's gameplay is the same basic core from Halo 1, which released back in 2001. Gears 2's gameplay is the same basic core from Gears of War's gameplay, which was taken (but refined) from Kill.switch on the PS2. Grand Theft Auto 4 actually removed features from the series while adding in a shoehorned, and largely horribly implemented, cover mechanic with poor gunplay. The core gameplay, however, is pretty standard fare GTA series, only with worse mission design. How is that original? Where was the critique of its originality?
So why did these games get a free pass? Did Gears 2 get a free pass because Gears 1 claimed to be the innovator? You see, it doesn't work like that. Gears 2 stopped being original once it used the same concept from the first. Ditto for Halo 3. So where was the criticism for those titles?
How many other titles this gen look and play like the Uncharted series? An organic world with saturated colors and believable characters...In an industry filled with bald space marines, generic stories and no character development whatsoever, the Uncharted series is bringing a breath of fresh air to an industry that is largely stagnating from an artistic point of view. Uncharted 2 is going to be a game changing title in that it will change consumer's perceptions about videogames as a valid form of entertainment; no longer will people shrug off videogames as something amateurish and for children. Uncharted 2 breaks a whole lot of new ground in terms of its production values and how the medium can advance in the future, and for that it has the highest praise I can give it as an innovator for videogames. You see, 'innovation' doesn't merely have to be about gameplay mechanics.
It's really unfortunate that innovation is even a criteria for whether or not a game is worthy of the highest praise. For some reason, a lack of innovation is seen as negative; but if the title is using proven concepts and adding a layer of polish not seen in other titles, why can't that be highly praised? Why does it have to be seen as a negative? And it's not as though there are many (if any) games like Uncharted 2. Sure, it has similar mechanics to Gears. Sure, it has platforming that is similar to other games. Sure, it has puzzles like many other titles do. But when you combine these elements, is there really ANY game like Uncharted? No, there absolutely is not. And from a holistic view, Uncharted is most certainly an innovator.
This is yet another review that ruins the credibility of this site. It's unfortunate, too, because the first review of Uncharted was also unfairly criticized by GameTrailers. I was hoping that they'd leave the double standards behind for Uncharted 2, but apparently not."
Ploid 3.0
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I still can't believe that GT put those spoilers in our face like that. It's like they were trying to punish people that are looking forward to Uncharted 2. Who did this review lol, what is his background!
"Oh I can't give this game a low score, it's actually good. I'm mad!!! Oh I know I'll ruin the game for everyone!"
"Oh I can't give this game a low score, it's actually good. I'm mad!!! Oh I know I'll ruin the game for everyone!"
Hazelhurst
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Do we know who did the GT review for Uncharted 2? After Geoff Keighley's Twitter comments I was expecting more than this slap in the face. Oh well, this game will be a sales juggernaut regardless.
Rapping Granny
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G_Berry said:
yeah that's exactly it.
SolidSnakex
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This is why you should stop caring about reviews altogether. You'll start enjoying gaming a lot more.
Ploid 3.0
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G_Berry said:
My spoiler attack post (the last post I did here) wasn't a serious post. I'm mostly just mad about it, they shouldn't do this. It's like a book review telling harry potter spoilers (I know people take those seriously). However I can't help but think this was intentional in the back of my mind. They put two plot twists in the review :lol.
nelsonroyale
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MercuryLS said:
Yeah...personally I would say the amount of games that actually feel rather novel when you are playing them are certainly not the norm. IN relation to uncharted the components may not be highly original, but the sum of the part offers and experience different to other games... certainly compared to Gears, the presentation and narrative definitely differentiated it
NotTheGuyYouKill
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reKon said:
I totally agree with you, man. That description hits the nail on the head. The score is not a problem, but the justification is... unjustifiable.
SolidSnakex
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Loudninja said:
All of their reviews do that. So if you're playing a story heavy game then avoid the reviews.
AltogetherAndrews said:
It certainly is tiring. So many sites are incredibly transparent when it comes to this. Double standards are what makes these places a joke. Most "cover it up" with different reviewers and such, but it's a cop out. I never take review scores to heart anymore, nor really get worked up over it, but it really is funny anymore.
They're simply setting it up for a MW2 GOTY, a title that will just do what Uncharted 2 did, and turn everything up a notch... well, I would hope MW2 would do this.
Uncharted is unique though, combining platforming and seemingly stealth to the stop and pop system. But say in Gears/Halo case, what it does on a grand scale is so much more impressive. It will slaughter these and many other games in the subtle touches which adds much more. It will be have killer 7.1 soundstage, it will have superior animation, it will have incredible story/acting.
GT isn't guilty of this, for example. Even in podcasts, like the Rebel FM one, you can really discredit everyone in agreement with that one guy. Talking about a 4.5/5 for U2, but they would give games like H3 a 5/5 though it didn't provide mind-blowing changes/improvements/additions, but it's a strike against U2. Go figure. But hey, they have to do what they have to do to potentially secure a profession progression, or in a site's case, a favorable light on a company will secure favors in other senses.
Yoboman
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Ohh come on, Uncharted2 is hovering on 97% at Metacritic after almost thirty reviews. It stands to be one of the highest rated games of all time. You guys shouldn't be bitching about the scoreJ-Rzez said:
Oh and Halo 3 did provide some fantastic changes. Some of the very features that UC2 now uses like photo mode and the online setup.
EDIT: And I didn't mention the number of reviews that have called it one of the best games ever made. Can we stop looking at just the negatives?
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