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Uncharted 3 |OT| All Developers Dream, But Not Equally
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I finally got a chance to play a couple co-op adventure games last night. Is every stage this boring kill guys until you open a box garbage? Is there anything like two's taking down the tank or helicopter? Anything that makes you feeling like you actually accomplished something? With the removal of resistances' 8 player co op and now what they turned uncharted's co op into this has been a really disappointing co-op gaming season for me.
Saargabath
Member
So I intend to get the game but was completely focused on Dark Souls... What is the GAF consensus right now?
Wickwire said:
There's a level where you take out two helicopters. That's it.
I agree though, the co-op missions in UC3 are not up to par with UC3's. In UC2's missions you feel like you're traversing through a pretty big area, in UC3 it all feels really small and repetitive. The redone UC2 and UC1 levels also look really poor compared to the originals.
Ricker said:
I re-started that area a couple of times to do some stealth kills and after a few approaches, I ended killing quite a few. Then the shooting felt pretty natural and diverse. I love that chapter.
EDIT: haha now I noticed that you're the same dude I replied to about the same chapter.
If you are patient, you can get enough stealth kills.
Ricker said:
I always tried to get to the far turret, the one with the rocket launcher inside the ship. This provided me with a lot of cover and escape options as well as the turret. Try and pick up a tau and shot gun. That combo always worked the best for me there.
edit: also if shit get too hairy just run away and dive under the water.
jett said:
I think there was a trade off in quality versus quantity compared with U2, but it's still a very solid (and fun) co-op campaign. They even performed new mocap with the original villain cast specifically for it.
Graphically, there are some kinda rough spots since the game is using the more modest MP assets, whereas U2 always ran the SP high poly versions.
In any case, isn't there now at least a chance of getting even more co-op content later on?
For U2, it was a given that what shipped was all we were ever going to see.
Angry Fork
Member
What's the consensus on the multiplayer? Feel like Infinity Ward robbed me on MW3 and I just hate the multiplayer right now. Thinking about switching to this if it's addictive/fun.
Angry Fork said:
It's fun, lighthearted stuff. I prefer Uncharted over any FPS because of the platforming/traversal mechanic, climbing and jumping from roof to roof, or dropping 3 stories down to get a drop on someone just feels great, and it's simply awesome to kick off someone off ledge, or conversely grab someone that's standing above you. The shooting mechanics of the game are solid.
Fallout-NL
Member
Just started playing the game. Ugh the aiming really is 'off'. I prefer running up to everyone to punch em senseless rather than shooting. Makes me feel like Mickey Rourke in Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man.
Dialogue is entertaining though. Victor is awesome.
Dialogue is entertaining though. Victor is awesome.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Slowly getting through the game. I haven't been turned off by the pacing, but it has seemed slower than it needs to be. The entire Teen Nick Drake and Josh sequence should have been cut regardless of its relevance to the story as far as I'm concerned, and the spazzy direction shifting and reaching for the walls animations really drive home a sense of trying way too hard where someone should have stood up and said that less would have been more.
It didn't start to feel like an Uncharted game until about Chapter 10, and especially 11, but it really wasn't until Chapter 13 that the environmental effects and design really reached a level where I was seriously impressed.
What's odd is how much the game reminds me of Tomb Raider 2, and I'm not sure how to explain why. It's a positive feeling though.
The plot is a sieve however, with the clever characterizations and interactions being the only real strong point. Unless it gets a lot worse later on, the hand-holding complaints I think are at least one game late as I'm not noticing a greater linearity and sense of "you're supposed to win here" than the last game had.
Overall it's the fun romp I expected, no more special but certainly not worse than either of the first 2. Looking forward to finishing it this weekend.
It didn't start to feel like an Uncharted game until about Chapter 10, and especially 11, but it really wasn't until Chapter 13 that the environmental effects and design really reached a level where I was seriously impressed.
What's odd is how much the game reminds me of Tomb Raider 2, and I'm not sure how to explain why. It's a positive feeling though.
The plot is a sieve however, with the clever characterizations and interactions being the only real strong point. Unless it gets a lot worse later on, the hand-holding complaints I think are at least one game late as I'm not noticing a greater linearity and sense of "you're supposed to win here" than the last game had.
Overall it's the fun romp I expected, no more special but certainly not worse than either of the first 2. Looking forward to finishing it this weekend.
Fine Ham Abounds said:
Agreed, it bothered me even during the first gameplay demo at E3. It just looked weird, someone at ND should've realized that their exaggerated contextual animations were a complete failure.
This is how the chases in this game should've looked like, in a perfect world. I really can't imagine anyone at ND being satisfied by how they ended up looking in the final game.
Fine Ham Abounds said:
Agree about the animation. While good, it was a bit overdone and on top of that he constantly touches air instead of walls.
However, I completely disagree about Cartagena's flashback. I thought it was a great touch and it made me care more about their relationship.
I think it was a nice refreshing chapter.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
UC3 is the closest a game came to that video with its gameplay, while still being playable and not completely disorienting. I really think two of you are complaining about some kind of perfection not being reached, despite it being better than anything out there. A lot of times, chase scenes in UC3 looked practically the same as that prerendered video, animated reactions and all.jett said:
Also, I'm on the ship now, and his reactions to ship undulation are much better and tighter than in the E3 video. The sliding that was there when he runs around is not there now, and it looks a lot more natural.
I'd say, if you think this sort of thing is overdone, try playing some other, older games now and see how robotic and unnatural it all feels in comparison.
Agreed on all counts. The animation is really buggy. When Drake walks down a corridor, even if he's not that close to the wall, his arm will oftentimes snap out and just touch air. The animation blending makes controlling him feel sluggish, too. Not sure if that's real or if it's just perceived because the animation takes a bit longer, but it feels like a step backwards.Ricky_R said:
The flashback chapter was nice. In fact, it might have worked *too* well for me. All I keep thinking throughout the game so far (I'm at Chapter 12) is I wish this was strictly a Drake and Sully game. The other characters, even the series staples, just seem like distractions to what could be a much better and tighter story between those two.
Lord Error said:
I disagree 100% with you, the chases don't look anything like the video I posted. And personally I don't like any of the new animations of Drake touching everything he passes. Nevermind nobody walks around like that, the way his arms randomly stretch out is extremely robotic, I do not need to take a look at an older game.
For me the animation in UC3 is a step back to the uneven quality of UC1, UC2 is definitely much more consistent despite having less animation routines. You say there's no sliding anymore but that's exactly what the chases felt to me(especially in chapter 2), Drake sliding all the way everywhere, moving in the most unnatural manner, and with a running speed that did not match his running animation AT ALL. What can I say, I expected better from Uncharted 2's sequel. Call it high expectations, but I don't think I was out of line.
jett said:I disagree 100% with you, the chases don't look anything like the video I posted. And personally I don't like any of the new animations of Drake touching everything he passes. Nevermind nobody walks around like that, the way his arms randomly stretch out is extremely robotic, I do not need to take a look at an older game.
What can I say, I expected better from Uncharted 2's sequel. Call it high expectations, but I don't think I was out of line.
I would be depressed if I over analysed stuff like you do. Not saying it's a bad thing, but it sure would turned me off to so many things.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ricky_R said:
Just to go through life, playing games and noticing every single little thing off, or motion blur not being there, or maybe some jaggies in the corner of the room of some shit.
That would just make me hate video games.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I meant on the ship specifically, just when he's running down the swaying floor, it looks a lot more solid and connected to the ground than it did in E3 video. It's just the part where I paid some attention to, because it irked me a bit in E3 video.jett said:
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Honestly it was how I felt the whole sequence just didn't work or felt unnecessary from a plot, pacing, and suspension of disbelief standpoint more than a complaint specifically about the chasing.Lord Error said:
I get the point of the sequence, I really do, but the way it played out it felt tacked on, out of place, and sort of like that uncomfortable, self-referential part in some movies where the title of the film is spoken by one of the characters. It may be in context, but it doesn't make it harder to roll your eyes at.
Regarding the chasing itself though, I've never been a fan of the chases in the UC games, and this one functionally isn't any worse than the others. They are certainly impressive feats of design, but I just don't enjoy most of them. This one is especially bad though simply for how bad getting caught during the sequence completely ruins the tension and energy they are trying to convey. Getting into a fight where you had a chance to wrestle free would have been better than a one-hit fail, checkpoint reset. For right now, I'm not even going to get into how bizarre the idea is that you could die in a flashback of your own life.
Lord Error said:
I play other, older games constantly, they don't feel robotic and unnatural compared to this. Maybe it's some kind of uncanny valley regarding movement? I think it's more that in UC3 the "more natural" animations happen too often and become obtrusive. When you can be constantly distracted by your own character's movements, you've gone too far and are detracting from the natural flow of the experience. When I can spin the stick around a corner over and over and Drake's hand jerks up and down rapidly and repeatedly like a marionette, it's defeated its own purpose of trying to be more realistic.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
That's when you try to do something that's normally never done. It works really well under normal control conditions IMO, with a rare exception here and there.Fine Ham Abounds said:
indigodomino
Member
Actually that first pack is 3 separate packs in the psn store, so I'm afraid we already got our 3 skin packs from the Fortune Hunters' Clubjett said:4 map packs an 3 skin packs for 25. The first skin pack has 25 skins(all of them redone versions of UC2 skins...but 25 skins nonetheless
The Praiseworthy
Member
I was away for two weeks and returned yesterday.... started the game and now at Chapter 5.
What do I have to say?
I'm pretty sure this will ends up being my favorite game in this generation.... I was really blown away in Chapter 2 and 3, didn't expect that at all.
Everything so far is perfect, ND.... what are you? how you guys can do this?
I bow to you with every new chapter I play in U3.
What do I have to say?
I'm pretty sure this will ends up being my favorite game in this generation.... I was really blown away in Chapter 2 and 3, didn't expect that at all.
Everything so far is perfect, ND.... what are you? how you guys can do this?
I bow to you with every new chapter I play in U3.
indigodomino
Member
Hoping it only counts as one for us members. Some people have addressed their concern in the ND forums regarding the skin packs but they have yet to reply back
BruiserBear
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Fine Ham Abounds said:
Holy over thinking it Batman.
Slurpy2k20
Member
Wickwire said:
Nope. It's all the same shit. Fight 10 waves of guys, go to point X, fight another 50 waves of guys, etc. So much wasted potential for co-op. I wish somehow they could have incorporated adventure/platforming elements. Also, would be awesome if there was a 'spectating' mode where you could watch a friend play the campaign, point shit out on the screen, voice chat, and jump to help out during firefights etc.
LightofRohan
Member
Yea seriously. What the hell. Nitpicking SOB's, I'm so glad Naughty Dog is here to take risks and PUSH animation systems as far as they can go. They've really tried new things and while I agree wall touching was overused at times, its still great they tried it and can always scale it back. Game characters were so UNALIVE before games like Uncharted and even Assassins Creed. But look at AC theyve kept the same safe animation system through all 4 games (with tiny tweaks) and its great to see ND actually iterate on that tech.Ricky_R said:
And Jett comparing U3 to a prerendered video, shows how crazy Uncharted even is to be having animations like that.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
You act like this made me hate the game and stop playing or something. If anything, the fact that little things like this bug me speaks more to how impressive the presentation is in general than it does to me overthinking something. You've never found yourself more critical of something that's so close to being convincing but then fucks one small but important thing up than you are over something completely and intentionally stylized?BruiserBear said:
Shai-Tan
Banned
there are problems with the animation climbing, jumping and the level design that supports it, not like they aren't valid concerns. i wrote an entire page of notes just about what's wrong with the design of the gameplay in the young drake level but I'm pretty sure Naughty Dog already knows what does and doesn't work and it was a time issue more than anything else. it should be pretty obvious by now that they had a strict release date and a few aspects of the game are rough because of it
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I never get to use my villain dude in co-op... it's annoying. I don't play the competitive so the money I spent on the villain was pretty much wasted.
Completely disagree.
Game could have benefited from more dev time, but I'm glad they stick to their guns on animation.
Fine Ham Abounds said:
Completely disagree.
Game could have benefited from more dev time, but I'm glad they stick to their guns on animation.
He's right, they split up the skins into 3 packs and they're saying those are the 3 Foretune Hunter skins.jett said:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/11/01/playstation-store-update-211/
paperheart
Banned
Well, now I learned my lesson. I'm never buying a Season Pass ever again. Lame.Killthee said:
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Dibbz said:Thread needs more images.
Holy Hell.
Uncharted 3 arrives tomorrow. My 3DTV sometime between tomorrow and Monday.
Can't wait.....
Although, in 9 hours Skyrim will make my time much more bearable.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
That's a valid point of course, but mind you the reason it bugs me so much is because this hit me as soon as I took control of Drake in the game's intro, it was the first thing I noticed, and it was immersion-breakingly distracting. At first I hoped it was just something he did because he had just gotten into a bar fight, but it quickly became apparent that that was not the case and it soon became annoying.Lord Error said:
ViewtifulJC said:
Ricky_R said:
So what you're saying is, all games deserve criticism, but not equally?Darknessbear said:
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