ViewtifulJC
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Uncharted 4: A Thief's End |OT| You're gonna miss this ass
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Ascenion
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That caught me off guard....wow. U4 just felt like a better scripted QTE like Talbot. It felt drawn out. I appreciate U1 for being quick if you pop off head shots. But I can totally understand the sentiment. U1 is basically straight action from moment one.
CrichtonKicks
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Never understood that. It's just the Brutal Combo. Did everyone just ignore the melee system in UC1?
Emerson's Essentia
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I think you're making a mistake in thinking that nostalgia is something that doesn't affect your modern experiences with old favorites.
the_batman
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i don't think i was ever able to do it in UC1. but yeah, i thought its final boss fight was ok.
Also they came so quickly like I really don't think that many would come all of a sudden. It was a bit silly
Death Metalist
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The first one is still a great co-op game. Shame about the rest.
the_batman
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the
old lady knew Nate and Sam were in the house
Spring-Loaded
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2 already moved away from that formula.
And there's a palette cleanser change of pace, then there's three chapters straight with no combat whatsoever. I liked all of 4, but there are some huge chunks with no real action.
OrbitalBeard
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Net_Wrecker
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The way I see it, if I "cut them slack" for something like UC1, it makes the fact that I still hold UC2 in such high regard mean less. UC2 came out only 2 years later and was such a huge leap that I don't need to cut any slack. I can look back or replay that game and feel the same way I did in 2009. I'm sure even ND looks back at UC1 and cringes at a lot of it, hence Bluepoint trying to update it with the HD Collection (and me bumping the score up one point because of it).
I'm sure it does subconsciously but I try to curb it. Admittedly, it's easier for me with games than movies or music because movies especially informed the way I view games (shooters most of all)
CrichtonKicks
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2 is definitely way better than UC1 about it but it's still dotted with routine and boring combat encounters. People just forget them and focus on the memorable ones, particular that sign mini-set piece that was indeed rather inspired.
UC2 did the same thing- 3 straight chapters (16,17,18) where there is no combat accept for a two minute encounter with a couple of yeti.
OrbitalBeard
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I think a lot of people forget about this section of the game.
I loved it.
the_batman
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jesus, if you're that terrible at
parrying left and right swings, just mash triangle and circle, Nate will automatically block Rafe's attack.
Net_Wrecker
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You seem to be forgetting that those cooldown chapters follow the most iconic chapters in the franchise on the train, which followed a stream of super well paced chapters in Nepal. UC2 earned the village and ice caves 10x over.
Death Metalist
Member
I'm guessing you're playing on the harder difficulties? Because on normal that shit was exhilarating. Really enjoyed the final boss, best one out of the bunch.
Tried it. That doesn't work either.
Yeah, I'm on hard.
it's just so stupid. Why is it going on for this freaking long? I mean for one it's completely new mechanics in the game which is stupid and bad design. For two, why are they dragging this out with those mechanics to the point of just ridiculousness.
Vire
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CrichtonKicks
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Which is strange to me because that was the standout moment for me. Inserting that pause after the crescendo of the train sequence was just a masterstroke.
? Where did I forget that at all? I agree with you! But I also think UC4 earned it's downtime as well.
Yep. UC1 was only one year after Gears 1. Everybody was still rushing to play catch up on the cover mechanics. I think ND did an admirable job all things considered but it was early days for the genre. By 2009 it was far more refined. Which still doesn't take away what ND accomplished with UC2.
2 years is a pretty long time actually, especially when you consider we were still in the earlier stages of cover based TPSs. Since UC2 the improvements have stagnated significantly.
SaganIsGOAT
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My boy Drake tired after 5 games of this.
OrbitalBeard
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Net_Wrecker makes a very good point, but I personally feel the slower chapters in UC4 are earned as well. Opinions, though.
RespectThySole
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This.
I wish I could put thoughts into numbers like some of you can but I really can't so here's my thoughts summed up as quickly as I can.
Drake's Fortune was one of the few games I bought blindly, simply because I had nothing to play on my PS3 (got in in 2008 just for MGS4 and wasn't sure if I would keep it) and I liked pulp adventure. I knew nothing about the reception to it or even the gameplay really, only the basic concept. It was a game I got really attached to personally because it felt like one of those rare games that was made just for me. It hasn't held up all that well, but for nostalgia reasons it means a lot.
Then Uncharted 2 happened and the series blew up. I've loved seeing this series that I happened upon become this critical darling. The last five games this studio has released have all been some of my fondest gaming memories for different reasons with the last four being all time faves and mostly for different reasons. Their games just resonate really well with me and I have a hard time placing some above the others.
Drake's Fortune was one of the few games I bought blindly, simply because I had nothing to play on my PS3 (got in in 2008 just for MGS4 and wasn't sure if I would keep it) and I liked pulp adventure. I knew nothing about the reception to it or even the gameplay really, only the basic concept. It was a game I got really attached to personally because it felt like one of those rare games that was made just for me. It hasn't held up all that well, but for nostalgia reasons it means a lot.
Then Uncharted 2 happened and the series blew up. I've loved seeing this series that I happened upon become this critical darling. The last five games this studio has released have all been some of my fondest gaming memories for different reasons with the last four being all time faves and mostly for different reasons. Their games just resonate really well with me and I have a hard time placing some above the others.
Uncharted shoehorning in boss fights it's so silly. I can't think of a good reason beyond "we're a game, we need a final boss and we don't want to use a cutscene to conclude the villain's story!". I'd say Uncharted 1 was the best just because it was the most naturalistic and used established mechanics, but I wouldn't classify it as good.
WrenchNinja
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Yup, as soon as you leave Borneo and get to Nepal, it's firefight after firefight after firefight. You're chased by a truck, which leads you to the hotel, which leads you to the rooftops, which leads you the temple, which leads you to the train yard, which leads you on a train ride from hell, then to one last stand in the mountain tops. Those mountaineering chapters were perfectly placed.
Ascenion
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This is overboard, but they really should look at what makes boss fights good so we A: never ever have a Lazarevic situation again. EVER. and B: so they can stop calling drawn out/dolled up QTEs boss fights.
OrbitalBeard
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Yep.
I'm pretty sure it is.
the_batman
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what's the photo again?
LOL wow, i didn't even notice that.
WrenchNinja
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St. Dismas Cross
Spring-Loaded
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The yeti was still action! And there's more than one big lull in 4.
2 is almost straight, non-repetitive action from like chapter 3 to 15, then it picks back up till its ending. You get the jeff-carry/escape into the train into the wreckage battle into Nepal downtime, then into the tank chase, truck convoy and then some straight up balls-to-the-wall combat almost all throughout the monastery.
4 really rarely has back-to-back combat with varying design/spins. The combat that's there is great, but there's no denying the structure is considerably different compared to 2. And lengthy exploratory segments are only going to be cool for me a couple times. Too often I didn't feel in the mood for those areas and was hoping for more action.
I think they just don't test any of these things on higher difficulties or something, because that was the biggest problem with Lazarevic, too.
I definitely agree that this game has less replay value but I think it's cool that they put the replay encounter option in there so that you can get right to combat scenarios.
Spring-Loaded
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I used that a bit and it's definitely a nice feature. I really don't like how some sequences are split up though, and how it abruptly stops right after the last enemy is killed in some of them.
Yup, really hope they patch that. Was showing my friend the E3 setpiece and it cut off just as you get to the rope drag.
Emerson's Essentia
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I'm motivated to churn though this game almost purely in anticipation of the LTTP/RTTP/general reflection threads coming down the line. Despite the critical consensus, this is clearly a divisive game in myriad ways. It's undeniably high-quality, hence the high-scores, but this isn't the type of game that a lot of people wanted.
Reading impressions makes the reception to Stirling's review even more hilarious on reflection.
Reading impressions makes the reception to Stirling's review even more hilarious on reflection.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
Haha, I know that feel. Just keep repeating it, you'll get the hang of it. I think there's a checkpoint in between too.
Holy fuck LMAO
MMaRsu
Member
Yup and you have to do the entire clock section again if you really want to show off the scene fully with the cutscene at the end.
Just finished it on hard for the first time. Pretty stunning game. I still think TLOU is the better game though ^_^. The graphics are literally insane at times.
There was one point that I thought the background was just a piece of concept art. Then I was able to walk up to it and explore. I had to put the controller down for a few minutes to regain my composure LOL
Net_Wrecker
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I think UC4 earned
Chapter 12 coming off of Chapter 11
13 through 16
12
TPS's stagnating that quickly is even more reason to hold UC2 up and not give UC1 any more credit than it deserves imo. It was an ok game but I don't see a reason to cut them slack. I wouldn't cut any movie director or musician any slack with their early works when ranking them either. I understand what the game means in a historical context, but it's a credit to ND that they improved so much right after that.
Spring-Loaded
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I think I was too modest with my "three chapters of straight downtime," comment then. I can't remember specific chapter numbers, so I made a guess, but looking back, 12 through 16 was subdued like you said.
Makes me wonder what the game would've felt like for me if there were just more combat situations peppered throughout, considering how much I enjoyed every part of this game, even when I felt like the uneventful moments lasted for too long.
The exploding mummies in that one room can fuck off. Took me 20 attempts to clear it on Crushing Mode. The fight after that took just four attempts. Also, fuck you, Rafe, and your one hit kill sword! It may have taken me 20 minutes to get it done but you dead now, bitch! Now to do the epilogue to officially be done with my Crushing Mode run.
GGNKovalski
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Finished it yesterday morning. Loved it. Though I do think they could have gone a step or two further with the stealth. There were many times I wish I could have thrown a rock to distract a guard or whistle to lure a guard to me.
Also, right after I finished UC4, I got the platinum for UC1 and I think it has aged a bit but I still really like it. Some of you are being a bit harsh on it.
Also, right after I finished UC4, I got the platinum for UC1 and I think it has aged a bit but I still really like it. Some of you are being a bit harsh on it.