High grass isn't the only means to stealth, in fact on harder difficulties it is the less effective method of staying hidden whilst traversing a large area of a map. Rather, use your environmental surroundings, elevation differences, pillars, ledges, buildings, windows, walls, cover, hanging off or behind stuff etc just as much if not more than high grass. If you watch the video of how to get the ghost trophy in Scotland, this is further highlighted. Also, use water (underwater swimming) when you can as well.
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Uncharted 4: A Thief's End |OT| You're gonna miss this ass
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High grass isn't the only means to stealth, in fact on harder difficulties it is the less effective method of staying hidden whilst traversing a large area of a map. Rather, use your environmental surroundings, elevation differences, pillars, ledges, buildings, windows, walls, cover, hanging off or behind stuff etc just as much if not more than high grass. If you watch the video of how to get the ghost trophy in Scotland, this is further highlighted. Also, use water (underwater swimming) when you can as well.
Marty-esque
Member
There are a few encounters where you can completely avoid interacting with enemies.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Yeah I can't do that on Crushing lol.
MaybeBurger
Banned
um, I'm confused? That's the entire point of the stealth here?
If you got caught, you get caught so you need to fight/flee to survive? You can easily take out enough of the guys to make the ensuing firefight easier.
add: you can also do pulldowns + rope tackles
Salty Catfish
Member
Yeah, I get that, it just seems a little unclear on when you can ghost encounters and when they're kinda like "well, you can stealth kill a few dudes but this was supposed to be a firefight at some point." I've learned to give up on bypassing enemies and just focus on using stealth to kill as many as possible before shit goes down.
Kevin Shields
Member
By rope tackles do you mean jumping off rope and punching dude in the face?
MaybeBurger
Banned
The one area I got confused in
Liberteria, you have to jump into the water far up and then catch the side (fighting the currents) and climb up to push the bookcase down for elena.
took me ages to work that out.
Trigonometrize.
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ComputerBlue
Member
Haha I know. They were super generic too with those suit and glasses all the time. Rafe was a nice villain,
although I feel like it was kind of weak that he was just there from the beginning. I don't think Nate/Sam needed him to pull the job, it felt forced into the story as far as why he was with them. I mean, Nate and Sam were the ones who had all that research done by their super awesome historian mom. Rafe just needed a stronger reason to being with them that's all.
Dusktildawn48
Member
I believe he was helping fund the expedition
MegaSackman
Member
They needed him to get access to the Panama Prison, and contacts.
Trigonometrize.
Member
The Uncharted villains aren't that excellent on their own but they're cool because they all add something new. Eddie was clumsy and charming, but still wanted to outdo Nate. Laz was a psychopathic brute that made every scene intense. Marlowe was more interested in playing mind games with Nate than really anything. Rafe
munraveled into a psychopath from fellow treasure hunter due to the obsession.
The stupid ones are the side villains: Navaro, Flynn, and Talbot. Never really cared for any of them. Nadine actually feels like she's there for a reason thematically.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I thought the signposting in this game was remarkably clear and straightforward, probably a little too clear in some cases since the environments are bigger and they don't want people getting lost. Naughty Dog's always been good about that in their "cinematic" era.
It's funny though, I recall reading a small number of complaints where people would be having trouble in U1/2/3 finding their next ledge, or that the platforming wasn't clear enough and they'd be dying due to "blind" jumps. I always found that strange. I've never been lost or afraid of missing a jump in these games.
Interfectum
Member
Just finished... Gonna let it sink in before posting much but goddamn what a wild ride!
Randomizer
Member
Almost finished the game only 4 or 5 chapters left. First of all I have to say the game is too long, it has honestly outstayed its welcome and should have ended much sooner and had some filler removed. The pacing of the game is all over the place, especially when over half the game feels like all I'm doing is walking or climbing to my next destination. There are sections like this back to back with nothing inbetween but witty banter between the characters.
The design of the environments you traverse is extremely clever in that it leads you forwards in such a natural almost invisible way. I wasn't even aware of it most of the time. Even in the larger more open environments. I never felt lost and never felt like I needed a map, things just flowed perfectly and effortlessly. This obvious works wonders for such a linear story driven game and shows how Naughty Dog is perfect at designing these types of games.
One thing I have noticed is a significant drop in enemy encounters compared to previous games. Though I think they are much more engaging this time around. There are some obvious TLoU influences with the combat. The combat is quite different than it's predecessors; Stealth has been made more important and is pretty much encouraged as the main play method. For example enemies hit harder and if discovered you can be wiped out in seconds as every single enemy blows you away at once. I'm playing in normal and stealth just seems so over powered. The enemy AI is also very dumb, when you stand right in front of them they take at least 2-3 secs to fully react and go to alert status. By that point I have already ran up and snapped their necks lol. Shooting is the best in the series, very responsive with no aim assist I'm getting more headshots than bodyshots. The targeting system is so extremely basic to the point of me questioning its inclusion. This is especially surprising coming off the back of The Last of Us watch had a great system in place for detection. So overall combat is probably the best in the series but not as good as TLOU and certainly not something like MGSV.
Story wise it's good but not great. Best Uncharted story but that's not really saying much. Just like every sequel in the series it retreads similar ground but the added spin of the long lost brother really added to the fun. It was like you were showing him around and catching up on all his missed adventures. The characters are mostly great and feel much more fleshed out, Rafe is a very safe and predictable character though.
The presentation is obviously completely phenomenal with some of the best graphics and literally the best animation in the business. So many little animation touches that blow my mind. Minor jankiness here and there but when you have so many complex animations issues like this would be hard to eliminate entirely.
Overall I am still really liking the game but I don't see myself wanting to play through it again anytime soon. This is due to the sheer length and the issues with the pacing. So as it stands Uncharted 2 is still my favourite in the series and most of that comes down to the perfect pacing and perfect ratio of exploration/combat/puzzles etc.
The design of the environments you traverse is extremely clever in that it leads you forwards in such a natural almost invisible way. I wasn't even aware of it most of the time. Even in the larger more open environments. I never felt lost and never felt like I needed a map, things just flowed perfectly and effortlessly. This obvious works wonders for such a linear story driven game and shows how Naughty Dog is perfect at designing these types of games.
One thing I have noticed is a significant drop in enemy encounters compared to previous games. Though I think they are much more engaging this time around. There are some obvious TLoU influences with the combat. The combat is quite different than it's predecessors; Stealth has been made more important and is pretty much encouraged as the main play method. For example enemies hit harder and if discovered you can be wiped out in seconds as every single enemy blows you away at once. I'm playing in normal and stealth just seems so over powered. The enemy AI is also very dumb, when you stand right in front of them they take at least 2-3 secs to fully react and go to alert status. By that point I have already ran up and snapped their necks lol. Shooting is the best in the series, very responsive with no aim assist I'm getting more headshots than bodyshots. The targeting system is so extremely basic to the point of me questioning its inclusion. This is especially surprising coming off the back of The Last of Us watch had a great system in place for detection. So overall combat is probably the best in the series but not as good as TLOU and certainly not something like MGSV.
Story wise it's good but not great. Best Uncharted story but that's not really saying much. Just like every sequel in the series it retreads similar ground but the added spin of the long lost brother really added to the fun. It was like you were showing him around and catching up on all his missed adventures. The characters are mostly great and feel much more fleshed out, Rafe is a very safe and predictable character though.
The presentation is obviously completely phenomenal with some of the best graphics and literally the best animation in the business. So many little animation touches that blow my mind. Minor jankiness here and there but when you have so many complex animations issues like this would be hard to eliminate entirely.
Overall I am still really liking the game but I don't see myself wanting to play through it again anytime soon. This is due to the sheer length and the issues with the pacing. So as it stands Uncharted 2 is still my favourite in the series and most of that comes down to the perfect pacing and perfect ratio of exploration/combat/puzzles etc.
Finished it last night, absolutely loved it to death.
I was totally hooked in the story and characters ever since a finished playing Uncharted 1-3 for the first time, couple weeks ago.
Life feels pretty empty now that it is all over...
I was totally hooked in the story and characters ever since a finished playing Uncharted 1-3 for the first time, couple weeks ago.
Life feels pretty empty now that it is all over...
I still can't believe that we didn't get to see Chloe one last time WTF Naughty Dog!
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
So I logged onto multiplayer before finishing the game last week and I was looking at older character models and the various skins and such when I came across
Turns out I was wrong but I do wish we could have seen more folks from the previous games.
suited Tenzin and thought "Oh no, Tenzin shows up to someone's funeral dressed like that, doesn't he?!"
I really liked the game. I might start a crushing playthrough tonight. My biggest problem is that I wish there was either more combat, or the game was a bit shorter. The pacing in some areas just felt off, like it either needed to be trimmed or replaced with some action.
The combat that is there is the best in the series though, I think. And the story is by far my favorite in the series. I was hooked pretty early on, and it gets really fucking good once you get to Madagascar. The way the story and gameplay compliment each other rather than feeling disconnected is fantastic as well. It's been something ND always handles well, but I felt this was up there with TLoU in that aspect. Also, all of the bonus options and renders in the game are cool. I just miss Donut Drake.
Overall, I think I still have to give the edge to Uncharted 2 because of the near perfect pacing, but Uncharted 4 was a very satisfying conclusion to the series. Now bring on TLoU 2 or Savage Starlight!
The combat that is there is the best in the series though, I think. And the story is by far my favorite in the series. I was hooked pretty early on, and it gets really fucking good once you get to Madagascar. The way the story and gameplay compliment each other rather than feeling disconnected is fantastic as well. It's been something ND always handles well, but I felt this was up there with TLoU in that aspect. Also, all of the bonus options and renders in the game are cool. I just miss Donut Drake.
Overall, I think I still have to give the edge to Uncharted 2 because of the near perfect pacing, but Uncharted 4 was a very satisfying conclusion to the series. Now bring on TLoU 2 or Savage Starlight!
no clue how y'all use swinging in combat that well. I got an swinging melee kill like once, every other time I land a few feet too short lol. Seems like enemies are positioned all over the map so its not like swinging around nets me any positive?
Maybe I should replay on lower difficulty.
Maybe I should replay on lower difficulty.
I actually felt they hand hold you in areas too much with the ledges that have some highlights.
I think they should do that for the easier difficulties and remove it altogether from Hard+ modes. Its distracting and takes you a little out of the action. Instead of trying to find a path, ND are literally telling you "here use this path!". Like what am i, five? I can clearly see the ledge I need to climb, I dont need it highlighted.
Seeing these gifs, feel like I would've enjoyed the game a lot more if I played on easy. It was mostly not possible to pull off crazy manuevers even on normal.
Wouldn't alleviate the lack of combat and setpieces, but the ones that do exist would've been a lot more exciting for me. Oh well.
Wouldn't alleviate the lack of combat and setpieces, but the ones that do exist would've been a lot more exciting for me. Oh well.
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Played a few hours of the MP today after finishing the story yesterday. It's solid but I can't see it pulling me away from he other MP games in my rotation. Feels a bit much like a TPS CoD for me.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
That epilogue was so generous, loved it. The game is just too beautiful. Too polished.
Patriotsbball5460
Member
Just finished and loved it, and that part was great. Thanks for the amazing time, Naughty Dog. Masterful series.
Reached end of chapter 9.
Still not feeling it.
Setpieces aren't doing it for me yet. (the auction level was kinda nice though) platforming and exploration isn't fun yet.
Swinging is nothing special, sliding is dumb..
Idk.
Thinking about trying the old games to see if I still like them.
Still not feeling it.
Setpieces aren't doing it for me yet. (the auction level was kinda nice though) platforming and exploration isn't fun yet.
Swinging is nothing special, sliding is dumb..
Idk.
Thinking about trying the old games to see if I still like them.
Alright, so I'm not the only weirdo with this view at the moment. That's good.
that whole "area" after the auction was rough. I liked the environment in terms of art design and location but after awhile I was ready to move on. It did kill a little bit of the pace for me to the point I was just trying to get through it
I disagree with you there.
Crushing was fine up until that point, from there it just felt like they hadn't spent enough time play testing this particular section
(those gas mask enemies can go to hell!)
I guess a bit of luck is involved to get through it. I ended up cheating weapons in because my patience was wearing thin after an hour of trying to beat it.
I still don't get what the fuss is all about with the final boss on crushing.
Rafe telegraphs his moves and gives you enough time to press the right button. There are also checkpoints during the fight that make it easier.
Man, some of the encounter design in the late game is straight fucking terrible. Struggling to get ammo, and can't run around because I die in a few fucking bursts. Was this designed exclusively for the easy difficulty?
Glad to hear there's a final boss, too. Because, man, Uncharted's always had great boss fights. Oh and the Daniel fight in Last of Us? Also fantastic!
Fucking hell. Way to spoil a good game, ND.
Glad to hear there's a final boss, too. Because, man, Uncharted's always had great boss fights. Oh and the Daniel fight in Last of Us? Also fantastic!
Fucking hell. Way to spoil a good game, ND.
CrichtonKicks
Member
What difficulty are you playing on?
Ghost Slayer
Member
Bonus/Gameplay modifiers on main menu. Some pretty cool stuffs on it although the lack of costume/ NPC changing is disappointed, could make cutscenes more interesting when you replay it
I guess featurette is a bit the wrong word I meant like the documentry behind the scenes films they had in the previous games.
Yea, where's all that cool doc stuff they had before? Seems weird they didn't include any of it.
the whole Madagascar section of this game is absolute fucking fire brehs
driving the jeep through the wilderness, exploring enemy outposts and little abandoned structures, the drawbridge encounter, the clocktower, and capping it off with the jeep chase. whew.
Sneaking gets pretty rough on crushing. No marking, no threat indicators and encounter design that ensures that there's an enemy in literally every direction mean that it's usually easier and safer to just pick a safe position and start shooting. Getting caught with your pants down while trying to sneak is a death sentence.
Uncharted overall feels like the opposite of TLOU when it comes to ideal difficulty level. TLOU is at it's best on survivor or grounded (although playing it as a regular 3rd person shooter is almost as fun), but Uncharted starts to suffer on hard. Spending most of a gun fight in cover with a gray screen isn't exactly something I'd call fun. The combat is definitely at its best when you can run around guns blazing, swinging around with the rope and punching fools.
Uncharted overall feels like the opposite of TLOU when it comes to ideal difficulty level. TLOU is at it's best on survivor or grounded (although playing it as a regular 3rd person shooter is almost as fun), but Uncharted starts to suffer on hard. Spending most of a gun fight in cover with a gray screen isn't exactly something I'd call fun. The combat is definitely at its best when you can run around guns blazing, swinging around with the rope and punching fools.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Some outposts are optional. I went to one of them and saw the guys posing and taking pictures, then I was like "I don't need to kill them" and I drove away.