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[GasProblem]

When I wake up tomorrow I'll see the results. It better be Obama

 

[Interfectum]

my family in Ohio are traditionally democratic voters, and they voted for Obama in 2008. But luckily I convinced them all to switch their votes for Jill Stein. It's time for real change.

So you convinced them to help get a Republican in the White House? Grats?

 

[Amzin]

If you honestly care about a third party, just voting for them once every 4 years is the least possible effect you could have on anything, ever.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Im impressed with the Jill Stein voters in Ohio and Virginia.

A few posts back I spoke about courage. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Inspite of what the vote means in a general sense, you held true to your own convictions politically and refused to be played by the two party system.

how are you 'refusing'? You will play by the two party system whether you accept it or not. There is no choice involved except that between the two major party candidates

 

[gutter_trash]

3rd party voters don't even crack the 1.9%

when the two big parties spend in the BILLIONS for their campaigns with the current system, there is no chance for a 3rd party to emerge unless they are billionaires themselves

 

[Cyan]

Im impressed with the Jill Stein voters in Ohio and Virginia.

A few posts back I spoke about courage. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Inspite of what the vote means in a general sense, you held true to your own convictions politically and refused to be played by the two party system.

You're a Romney voter though, right?

 

[FlashFlooder]

I'd be extremely surprised.
I just can't imagine that someone would go from a 3rd party candidate to Romney.

Well my real 2nd choice would've been not to vote, but after that it's basically 50/50 between O and R for me.

So, I guess that's only mildly surprising.

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

Is there a way to get off the absentee voter list so that a vote can be cast today?

 

[Tex117]

You're a Romney voter though, right?

Nope.

3rd party.

 

[KingFire]

He's using logic by saying people are attnetion whoring, while I'm using simple 1st grade math to show that no one's single vote matters. Think about that one for a minute. I'm not the one being a keyboard warrior sitting in a thread on a videogame forum lecturing people on how they should vote.

If anybody is interested, there is a situation called Voting Paradox which states that a single vote will not change the cumulative result.

I think people should be free to vote to whoever they want. Even if the voter knew before hand that the chosen candidate will probably not win, it is not about winning; it is about making a statement and voicing your opinion.

 

[leroidys]

502.

derp. thank you

 

[Hoo-doo]

Democrats getting trolled in here.

 

[Tex117]

how are you 'refusing'? You will play by the two party system whether you accept it or not. There is no choice involved except that between the two major party candidates

Choosing not to accept it then.

 

[Cyan]

Even if the voter knew before hand that the chosen candidate will probably not win, it is not about winning; it is about making a statement and voicing your opinion.

No, it really is about winning. Votes aren't effective at making statements; they are surprisingly effective at determining who will govern.

 

[Dash27]

Well now I had to read up on Jill Stein.

The Green Party presidential campaign of Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala has a plan for the total, direct, and rapid abolition of poverty.

This was pretty much what I was expecting.

 

[leroidys]

Democrats getting trolled in here.

I voted for Jill Stein in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado! Feels good man.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

the ballots are counted

"paul... ron" says the man in the suit "but... that's not part of the program"

the votes just keep coming in. thousands, millions, all for the doctor, all signed and sealed in gold-laced ink. it's happening

 

[Tex117]

No, it really is about winning. Votes aren't effective at making statements; they are surprisingly effective at determining who will govern.

You are of course correct from a pragmatic point of view.

 

[mavs]

If the next President was guaranteed to be either Mitt Romney or Gary Johnson I would cast my vote for a sure loser too.

 

[marrec]

Third party voters make all the political ads worth it, so funny.

 

[Buzzati]

I was tempted to vote Green, however the risk of having Republicans do another veto tour of congressionally approved federal stem cell research funding was not on the cards. Romney refuses to see the utility of this funding on a federal level - nothing is more heinous for me in this election.

 

[shoplifter]

Is there a way to get off the absentee voter list so that a vote can be cast today?

Depends on where you live. Here in Ohio if you requested an absentee ballot, you have to vote provisional. Once they verify you didn't actually submit an absentee ballot they'll count your provisional.

Voted Stein in Ohio. I give no fucks. If the Dems wanted my vote, they should have earned it instead of taking it for granted.

 

[The Technomancer]

Choosing not to accept it then.

But you can't choose not to accept it. Thats literally not possible. One of those two candidates will win. They will make decisions that have impacts on your life. You can't "choose not to accept" whatever they do (unless you emigrate to another country)

 

[TheNatural]

Tell me in the history of the last 100 years how many votes for a third party presidential candidate have led to a strong third party emerging?

Your setting up a false choice. Ross Perot came about because he was a billionaire who could buy his way into relevancy temporarily. But he failed to have the necciaarry groundwork for long term influence and sustainability. You seem to be very good at using broken logic but it's not really achieving any meaningful points on your behalf.

The one successful recipe we have continually had for achieving change in the political landscape has been grassroots efforts and local up influence. Civil rights, the tea party, Vietnam protests. Grassroots on up. That's where your meaningful change has a historical basis for working, not once every four years protest votes and wishful thinking.

It's never happened, therefore it never will?

It's not a protest vote, it's a vote for the establishment of a third party which could raise awareness, or at the very least, get the main parties to incorporate more of their ideals in their own agendas. Look at how the Tea Party voters have worked the Republicans over.

And speaking of Ross Perot, no he didn't win, but notice both elections he ran the President that came out of it helped push one of the biggest economic booms in US history. Obviously he felt the pressure from both fronts there to do something - and he did. So much for the 'influence' of a third candidate right?

There's a lot more goals in voting than simply this election. By your logic, I should have voted for Romney, because Obama has as much chance as winning in Kentucky as Jill Stein does. It's not happening for either, so I should just vote for the one who is going to win. That's the crux of your stupid argument. Stop telling people how to vote or what you think their vote is worth, it's no less 'worthy' than yours.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I can't tell if you're trolling or just badly misinformed about voting 3rd party in the US.
My gut says the former.

Poe's Law

Depends on where you live. Here in Ohio if you requested an absentee ballot, you have to vote provisional. Once they verify you didn't actually submit an absentee ballot they'll count your provisional.

Voted Stein in Ohio. I give no fucks. If the Dems wanted my vote, they should have earned it instead of taking it for granted.

The Green Party are just Democrats that don't like compromise

 

[Eusis]

Quick question for the people voting third party in battleground states:

Clearly you care enough about the direction of this country to make your voice heard. With that being said, would you rather see Mitt Romney or Barack Obama win this election?

The only way I can see it being justified is if you're truly apathetic about both candidates, especially if you've been following everything. If you actively do not like Romney and just wish Obama were better at following his promises then you're nuts to vote 3rd party.

Of course, the "convince my whole family" thing does kind of sound like it's going to trolling, but like said: Poe's Law.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Man, I've never watched CNN during the day. Suzanne Malveaux is hot. That is all.

 

[kingkitty]

I have family in every swing state and I convinced them all to vote 3rd party. My family is fucking HUGE man, last name is Smith huge.

Right on brother.

 

[SteveWinwood]

the ballots are counted

"paul... ron" says the man in the suit "but... that's not part of the program"

the votes just keep coming in. thousands, millions, all for the doctor, all signed and sealed in gold-laced ink. it's happening

ron paul revolution 2012

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I voted for Jill Stein in Ohio, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado! Feels good man.

I have family in every swing state and I convinced them all to vote 3rd party. My family is fucking HUGE man, last name is Smith huge.

 

[Hitokage]

If anybody is interested, there is a situation called Voting Paradox which states that a single vote will not change the cumulative result.

Do you read what you link?

 

[Tex117]

But you can't choose not to accept it. Thats literally not possible. One of those two candidates will win. They will make decisions that have impacts on your life. You can't "choose not to accept" whatever they do (unless you emigrate to another country)

From a pratical stand point, of course you are correct.

You can, however, vote your principels no matter what happens. Thats all one average citizen can do.

 

[Stumpokapow]

:lol

I hope youre trolling

Look, there's two separate points:

1) No one is entitled to your vote. Voting for Jill Stein is not "stealing" a vote from Obama. It was really gross how, in 2000, Democrats tried to blame Nader for "stealing" votes. Everyone has to earn votes. If Nader earns them, he earns them. If Stein earns them, she earns them. If Obama fails to earn them, he fails to earn them.

2) Only two possibilities are possible in the outcome of the election. There are structural constraints that make this so. Two possible outcomes. We recognize this. Mitt Romney will be president, or Barack Obama will be president. There are more than two possible choices on the ballot. There are only two possible outcomes of the election. Computer Science majors will recognize the pigeon-hole principle here. The average ideological mapping distance between a Stein supporter and Obama will be lower than the average ideological mapping distance between a Stein supporter and Romney. Voting Stein is, thus, EV- versus voting for Obama--if you are a Stein supporter.

So, yes, voting Stein in a swing state contributes to Mitt Romney's election effort, in terms of the practical outcome. But no, no one gets to tell you that you have no right to vote for Stein, you do not owe Obama anything. Voting for Stein is not a bad idea because it hurts Obama, it's a bad idea if it hurts you as a Stein supporter.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

I have family in every swing state and I convinced them all to vote 3rd party. My family is fucking HUGE man, last name is Smith huge.

Yeah, take THAT all you so-called liberals. Voting for real change up in here.

So, yes, voting Stein in a swing state contributes to Mitt Romney's election effort, in terms of the practical outcome. But no, no one gets to tell you that you have no right to vote for Stein, you do not owe Obama anything. Voting for Stein is not a bad idea because it hurts Obama, it's a bad idea if it hurts you as a Stein supporter.

.

 

[FroJay]

Just got done casting my vote, my 5th presidential election.

Gary Johnson! And I feel damn good about it.

 

[Tobor]

There should be a subsection on every ballot for third party voters asking who they would have voted for "for reals". Those numbers could then be weighted as a half vote each.

 

[The Technomancer]

It's never happened, therefore it never will?

It's not a protest vote, it's a vote for the establishment of a third party which could raise awareness, or at the very least, get the main parties to incorporate more of their ideals in their own agendas. Look at how the Tea Party voters have worked the Republicans over.

Yes, lets look at exactly how the Tea Partiers did what they did and how exactly 0% of it involved voting for a candidate in the presidential election and how it all came down to the local game.

 

[Kettch]

It's not your opinion, it's fact. Voting for a third party in a swing state is voting for Romney.

As a far left voter, comments like these really make me despise the democratic party. So good job of pushing voters away.

 

[reKon]

someone probably posted this, but damn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QdpGd74DrBM

FFUUUUU...

 

[Matt]

From a pratical stand point, of course you are correct.

You can, however, vote your principels no matter what happens. Thats all one average citizen can do.

Yep, you "vote your principals," and 32 million people lose their health coverage.

The idea that there is no difference between the two main parties is a joke.

 

[Hoo-doo]

someone probably posted this, but damn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QdpGd74DrBM

FFUUUUU...

This is totally brand new information.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Yeah, take THAT all you so-called liberals. Voting for real change up in here.



.

I think its funny you only quoted the part that helped your case.

Wait nevermind I read something wrong.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Voting 3rd party in a battleground is kinda dumb. Anywhere else...feel free to do what you please.

 

[Game-Biz]

someone probably posted this, but damn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QdpGd74DrBM

FFUUUUU...

Proven to be fake (at least by a gaffer). But you see there are edits in the clip.

 

[Jackben]

Im impressed with the Jill Stein voters in Ohio and Virginia.

A few posts back I spoke about courage. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Inspite of what the vote means in a general sense, you held true to your own convictions politically and refused to be played by the two party system.

Definitely. Major props to anyone who not only votes for what they believe in but convinces their friends and family to vote that way too.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

+1 For HUSSAAAAIIINN Obama

+1 For Hotness Gillibrand

+1 for Hakeem Jeffries

 

[Dash27]

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/death...tweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

My personal favorite:

If Romney win ima be the first terrorist to assassinate that nigga

As opposed to the second to assassinate him! But his was the most thought out, although sill not right:

If obama looses i might go kill romney and his vice president so then obama will be forced to be president.

 

[eznark]

Everyone go vote, it's super important! Unless you put thought into your vote and decide to not vote for one of the two people who have the most money. Then you're a dumbass and should stay home dumbass because you are throwing your vote away! People didn't die in wars so that you could freely choose who to vote for.

 

[Kingbrave]

Look, there's two separate points:

1) No one is entitled to your vote. Voting for Jill Stein is not "stealing" a vote from Obama. It was really gross how, in 2000, Democrats tried to blame Nader for "stealing" votes. Everyone has to earn votes. If Nader earns them, he earns them. If Stein earns them, she earns them. If Obama fails to earn them, he fails to earn them.

2) Only two possibilities are possible in the outcome of the election. There are structural constraints that make this so. Two possible outcomes. We recognize this. Mitt Romney will be president, or Barack Obama will be president. There are more than two possible choices on the ballot. There are only two possible outcomes of the election. Computer Science majors will recognize the pigeon-hole principle here. The average ideological mapping distance between a Stein supporter and Obama will be lower than the average ideological mapping distance between a Stein supporter and Romney. Voting Stein is, thus, EV- versus voting for Obama--if you are a Stein supporter.

So, yes, voting Stein in a swing state contributes to Mitt Romney's election effort, in terms of the practical outcome. But no, no one gets to tell you that you have no right to vote for Stein, you do not owe Obama anything. Voting for Stein is not a bad idea because it hurts Obama, it's a bad idea if it hurts you as a Stein supporter.

Amen.

 

[Dude Abides]

Voting in NYC is a mess. Wife had to vote by affidavit.