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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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GentlemanCrow

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SaintGalgo said:
Huh... they seem extremely disappointed. Or maybe they're just nitpicking, of course.
Not sure if I should lower my expectations...
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I wouldn't put much stock in their opinion as to the show. They very book sobbish, even though Linda has said multiple times that she hasn't read the Red Wedding sequence, which gives her zero authority in any thrones discussion. How can you claim to be such a fan and run one of the larger sites and forums while not having read what is considered to be THE game-changing moment?

Pathetic and childish.
 
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GentlemanCrow said:
I wouldn't put much stock in their opinion as to the show. They very book sobbish, even though Linda has said multiple times that she hasn't read the Red Wedding sequence, which gives her zero authority in any thrones discussion. How can you claim to be such a fan and run one of the larger sites and forums while not having read what is considered to be THE game-changing moment?

Pathetic and childish.
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wtf why hasn't she read it?
 
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GentlemanCrow

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Real Hero said:
wtf why hasn't she read it?
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She didn't want to read it. Her favourite characters dying, etc. She skipped most of the back half of book 3. You know, the best part. She's more into how the characters and locations are described which is why she hates the show for making changes. She goes on about how people have the wrong eye colour, or their horse isn't right, but all bitching is invalidated by the fact that she HASN'T READ THE BLASTED THING.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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GentlemanCrow said:
She didn't want to read it. Her favourite characters dying, etc. She skip most of the back half of book 3. You know, the best part. She's more into how the characters and locations are described which is why she hates the show for making changes.
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that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. To be a book thumper and not have read that for such a teenage reason.
 
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GentlemanCrow

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-Pyromaniac- said:
that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. To be a book thumper and not have read that for such a teenage reason.
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What's worse is during season one and two they both appear on Sky Atlantic as part of a really fucking half-arsed after show programme hosted by this douche who thought he was the funniest fucker in the Seven Kingdoms.

They were the 'experts' who would offer analysis of the episode that just air and as you could imagine they offered no real insight as that would spoil the next episode. I'm not even sure who the show was aimed at because it offered very little for book readers and went over the heads of the show watchers. They cancelled it for season three. The best thing that came out of it was Tonk's band appeared in one episode and did a song that included Super Mario instrumentals for no reason.

This episode has Tonks, I dare you to get passed the intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPmBRoINQYQ

Skip to the end for Natalia Tena's Mario accordion.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Didn't Linda say she that read the second half of ASOS when she was watching the show? Like, she watched and read both concurrently? She says something like that in the above video.
 
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-griffy- said:
Olly Moss' character doodles for GoT. The little details are what make them great:
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These are on sale now if anyone is interested.

http://ollymoss.bigcartel.com/
 
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PhoenixDark

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RatskyWatsky said:
Didn't Linda say she that read the second half of ASOS when she was watching the show? Like, she watched and read both concurrently? She says something like that in the above video.
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She re-read it while watching the show, to catch the changes. She has read ASOS before, but she has never read the Red Wedding chapter or the Red Viper scene. Nor has she reach much of the Blackwater battle apparently. She is too "delicate" to read the more violent parts lol.

She's...special
 
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Loke13

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I have been thinking this entire week that the premiere happens next weekend so imagine my surprise when I find out it's TOMORROW!!!
 
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RatskyWatsky

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PhoenixDark said:
She re-read it while watching the show, to catch the changes. She has read ASOS before, but she has never read the Red Wedding chapter or the Red Viper scene. Nor has she reach much of the Blackwater battle apparently. She is too "delicate" to read the more violent parts lol.
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Ah I see. That doesn't strike me as very weird because my sister is sort of like that.

She's...special
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She just has some different interpretations of the material and is fiercely protective of the the books. I don't get the whole "She has different opinions GET HER!!!" attitude that a lot of people seem have towards her.
 
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Iksenpets

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Didn't Linda once say that she would rather have actors who looked just like the book descriptions than ones who could actually act? And she said that she would have rather had a word-for-word accurate season 1 that got cancelled because no one else liked it, than the still extremely faithful season 1 that we got. She has some serious issues.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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RatskyWatsky said:
Ah I see. That doesn't strike me as very weird because my sister is sort of like that.

She just has some different interpretations of the material and is fiercely protective of the the books. I don't get the whole "She has different opinions GET HER!!!" attitude that a lot of people seem have towards her.
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It's one thing to be fiercely protective and another to critique material when you haven't even read some of the most important parts of it. It's pretttay weird. I doubt your sister walks around as a critic.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Iksenpets said:
Didn't Linda once say that she would rather have actors who looked just like the book descriptions than ones who could actually act? And she said that she would have rather had a word-for-word accurate season 1 that got cancelled because no one else liked it, than the still extremely faithful season 1 that we got. She has some serious issues.
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Yup. One of the worst things about anything getting adapted is that there are fans who feel like they're superior to the fans of the adaption, and thus constantly have to talk shit or spoil things ("that's not how it goes" or "that's now what he/she actually said"). I love the books and can honestly say I'm a hardcore, longstanding fan. But the books are the books, and the show is the show. And while I don't like Weiss/Benoiff it's not like they've said "you know, Ned Stark is awesome. We should keep him alive instead of killing him." The general spirit of the novels lives on in the show.

I like good changes that result in good television. Having Stannis on the front lines at the Blackwater made for good television, even though I couldn't help but wish he had a damn helmet on at least. On the flip side, cutting every noteworthy aspect of Jon's second season arc made for bad television.

Well after this season it'll be interesting to see how the tables turn. Given how much bitching people do about AFFC/ADWD they should be receptive to changes (note: I love both). And even better, if the show surpasses the books then watchers will get to spoil and troll book readers. Karma.
 
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RedShift

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Just rewatched the last episode of Season 3. Pretty good. That end scene though... so lame. Even putting aside the... problematic imagery of a bunch of darker skinned people lifting up their pale skinned savior. I think putting the Stannis/Davos scene last would have been better tbh. "See Ser Davos. You've been saved by that fire god you love to mock... You're in his army now".

At least the final scene of S4 should make up for it.
 
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Kuraudo

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-Pyromaniac- said:
It's one thing to be fiercely protective and another to critique material when you haven't even read some of the most important parts of it. It's pretttay weird. I doubt your sister walks around as a critic.
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How does someone become one of the two preeminent fans for something they haven't read all of? I can understand her reasons for not wanting to read those scenes, but I find it completely mind-boggling that you can skip scenes of a book for which you are the author of the companion novel. It'd be like going to a seminar on Othello led by a leading Shakespearean authority who gets up and says he hasn't actually read the bit where Othello smothers Desdemona.
 
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Snake

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RedShift said:
Just rewatched the last episode of Season 3. Pretty good. That end scene though... so lame. Even putting aside the... problematic imagery of a bunch of darker skinned people lifting up their pale skinned savior.
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Yeah, I defend the show most of the time, but it was a poorly thought out conclusion to the season no matter how you cut it. The definition of underwhelming.
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

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So I was watching the scene where Jon gets his face torn to shreds, and his scars just...look incredibly lame as opposed to what I had imagined in the book. I know they're trying to go for some "super badass", but it just looks...weird.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Iksenpets said:
Didn't Linda once say that she would rather have actors who looked just like the book descriptions than ones who could actually act? And she said that she would have rather had a word-for-word accurate season 1 that got cancelled because no one else liked it, than the still extremely faithful season 1 that we got. She has some serious issues.
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It is pretty extreme, but that sort of attitude isn't at all uncommon among hardcore fans of things. Go into any thread on the Gaming Side where a sequel is announced as an exclusive to another platform and you'll see a lot of similar reactions. (Bayonetta 2 for the Wii U for instance)

-Pyromaniac- said:
It's one thing to be fiercely protective and another to critique material when you haven't even read some of the most important parts of it. It's pretttay weird. I doubt your sister walks around as a critic.
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I'm not super familiar with (Elio and) Linda and what she does and doesn't say, so I can't really comment on that. I'd have to first read her critiques of the Red Wedding, Blackwater, and the Rep Viper scenes to see what her opinions are of the material that she's never read.

Kuraudo said:
I find it completely mind-boggling that you can skip scenes of a book for which you are the author of the companion novel.
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I'm assuming she doesn't work on the parts on the companion novel that correspond to the bits that she hasn't read. That would be weird if she did.
 
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PhoenixDark

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RedShift said:
Just rewatched the last episode of Season 3. Pretty good. That end scene though... so lame. Even putting aside the... problematic imagery of a bunch of darker skinned people lifting up their pale skinned savior. I think putting the Stannis/Davos scene last would have been better tbh. "See Ser Davos. You've been saved by that fire god you love to mock... You're in his army now".

At least the final scene of S4 should make up for it.
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That's a change that made no fucking sense, and resulted in bad TV; I think most of us agree on that. It would have made far more sense to have Davos read the letter, and Melisandre perhaps even take the opposite side of the argument (ie continue the war for the throne).

When I read the no spoilers thread many people don't like Stannis because it seems like all he does is what Melisandre tells him to. Bah..
 
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Fey

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RedShift said:
Just rewatched the last episode of Season 3. Pretty good. That end scene though... so lame. Even putting aside the... problematic imagery of a bunch of darker skinned people lifting up their pale skinned savior. I think putting the Stannis/Davos scene last would have been better tbh. "See Ser Davos. You've been saved by that fire god you love to mock... You're in his army now".

At least the final scene of S4 should make up for it.
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Yeah, that last was just awful, it really left a terrible taste in my mouth.

Stannis' scene being last instead would probably piss show-only viewers off. Like Phoenix said, they just see him as Melisandre's pawn. I asked my brother about Stannis and first he said, "... who?" and then, "Oh him ... I hope he dies. He's boring."
 
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Snake said:
Yeah, I defend the show most of the time, but it was a poorly thought out conclusion to the season no matter how you cut it. The definition of underwhelming.
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I think it works fine as a scene that gives the viewers someone to root for in the coming seasons. I'd imagine that there were quite a few people at HBO who were concerned about viewers giving up on the show because all their favourite characters die and the tone just being overwhelmingly dark all the time. Ending the season on an extremely positive scene does make sense to me
 
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Atraveller

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WhereAreMahDragonz said:
So I was watching the scene where Jon gets his face torn to shreds, and his scars just...look incredibly lame as opposed to what I had imagined in the book. I know they're trying to go for some "super badass", but it just looks...weird.
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And Tyrion didn't lose half his face, the TV crew had to think for the fan girls.
 
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Atraveller said:
And Tyrion didn't lose half his face, the TV crew had to think for the fan girls.
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It's more of an issue that the makeup requirements for a central player to have half of his face removed before shooting every day are huge. It's much more cost/time efficient to just put on a scar.
 
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Chris R

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I hate that my Cable provider doesn't have HBO-E :( I can't watch live with everyone any more, have to wait until MIDNIGHT EST to watch :(

Wish I had DirecTV
 
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Razzer

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CoolOff said:
My favourite unsullied-duo Byron and Dino have done a pre-S4 video:

Game of Thrones - Season 4 - Pre-Season predictions

I love that they're connecting the dots on Littlefinger and Jon Arryn.
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"And so he pulls the trigger, well they don't have guns in Westeros but they do have crossbows..."

Found this hilarious considering what we know. Tyrion is gonna pull it, but not on Joffrey!

I checked this was the right thread like 20 times, so nervous about spoiling lol
 
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