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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Dysun said:
This reminds me of people thinking nobody would care about Robb's death in the Season 3 OT
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Ahhh, I remember one person was especially adamant about it, saying the response will be more similar to Renly's death than Ned's. I don't remember seeing him after the episode aired ...
 
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Steelyuhas said:
Oh god :/



Kind of want...
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- Matt Zoller Seitz for NY Mag: TV’s Most Exhilarating Nightmare
Having watched only the first few episodes, I won't hazard a judgment about how it stacks up with the other seasons, but I will say that the storytelling seems to have hit a new peak of relaxed confidence. In every scene you get a sense of steady forward motion. New characters are introduced and old characters deepened, and devious new plots are laid out so deftly that it's not until midway through episode three that you look back over everything that came before and laugh at yourself for not having seen a particular surprise coming — and laugh with the show for having unleashed yet another narrative juggernaut that'll surely climax in a now-patented ninth-episode bloodbath.
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cubicle47b said:
It's going to have important implications for Daenerys in The Winds of Winter.
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The problem is, he could have had the exact same effect on the story if he'd just shown up in Mereen and if we only ever saw him from Dany's POV.

His being in the story is important, but his POV was a complete waste of space in two very long books that ultimately could have used that word count to include some great chapters (judging by the content released for WOW so far).
 
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- WiCnet: The First Episodes of Game of Thrones Season 4 Do Not Disappoint
It feels very seamless. Much more seamless than it has before, and I’ve considered this show to be the most well made of its class in television since the first 15 minute preview HBO provided us all of those years ago. Small things, the decision to capture a certain row in a certain style, or the weight of the camera’s motion as it speeds along a dense wooded scene — with it all, the pounding reminder of drama from an already excellent soundtrack, and the melodies that welcome Season 4’s new characters.
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- Westeros.org: Season 4 Impressions (Elio & Linda vid discussion)
 
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SaintGalgo said:
Huh... they seem extremely disappointed. Or maybe they're just nitpicking, of course.
Not sure if I should lower my expectations...
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They do this every year, if it isn't 100% true to the books they generally don't care for it as their site is dedicated primarily to the books. I remember them being one of the few people who weren't happy for how the Red Wedding was done on the show, so yeah...
 
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SaintGalgo said:
Huh... they seem extemely disappointed. Or maybe they're just nitpicking, of course.
Not sure if I should lower my expectations...
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They're obsessive to the point of ridiculousness - well, Linda is. Elio tends to enjoy the show to a degree. Linda is still mad about eye colors, names, etc.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the show, but I tend to view it as separate from the book. As long as it has the general spirit of the adaption I'm fine - and it usually does. I get upset when changes produce bad television - Dany in Qarth, Jon and Halfhand, everything about Stannis, Theon etc - but good changes are fine with me. For instance I've watched about 17 minutes of the review and they barely talk about the show - acting, writing, etc. Everything is about "x was changed."

One thing I agree about: the lack of any subtlety on the show is annoying. More than a year ago I predicted Oberyn would have a bisexual sex scene in S4, and lo and behold he does. It's just so obvious.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
ow is annoying. More than a year ago I predicted Oberyn would have a bisexual sex scene in S4, and lo and behold he does. It's just so obvious.
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Kinda has to be, 99% of the TV audience couldn't guess that Theon being flayed on a giant X meant he was being held by the guy who's banner is a flayed man on a giant X.

Little hints here and there don't exactly work on the show.
 
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SaintGalgo said:
Huh... they seem extremely disappointed. Or maybe they're just nitpicking, of course.
Not sure if I should lower my expectations...
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Massa said:
I don't follow them much, but apparently the owners of westeros.org really hate the show.
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Had a long paragraph written but it wasn't that nice, perhaps a little to insulting toward them but their videos are super boring and uninteresting from the few I watched, they'd kind of remind me of the old SNL "Delicious Dish" NPR parody skits minus anything funny happening. While they get why some changes have to be made and many of their larger complaints can be agreeable, as PhoenixDark mentioned but, they're a bit in the super nerd, book fanboy/girl territory with a lot of the smaller nitpicks. I was barely aware of them last season but I might try and watch an episode review or two this time around since I'm all caught up with the books just out of curiosity. But they really should try to be at least a little entertaining when they're doing videos that are almost as long as an episode of the TV show but feeling much longer. Just like, FFS show a little enthusiasm at least!

Didn't they also get some sort of involvement with ADWD?
 
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The unrelenting slaughter continues with Theon killing Rodrik Cassel. Brutal. Bran crying in the background. :( I like what they did with Theon's arc here, though it would've been amusing if the "Dagmer is actually a figment of Theon's imagination" theory was true.

Steelyuhas said:
Eight episodes to go on the rewatch, and I'm moving tomorrow.

Easy right?
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What could possibly go wrong?
 
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Cornballer said:
The unrelenting slaughter continues with Theon killing Rodrik Cassel. Brutal. Bran crying in the background. :( I like what they did with Theon's arc here, though it would've been amusing if the "Dagmer is actually a figment of Theon's imagination" theory was true.
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I thought Theon in season 2 was an excellent adaption of source material. They really brought his struggle between his two families to life in a way I thought didn't really happen in the books. Then of course the whole thing is case of a young man faced with some very hard decisions and in classic Martin fashion, makes all the wrong choices.
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What could possibly go wrong?
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*Ahemmm*

Seven episodes to go.

Damn the ending to Walk of Punishment is great. Doing the cut and holding the camera there without a cut away is fantastic, then Jaime's scream.
 
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Finishing up the Season 2 finale tonight and starting on Season 3 tomorrow. I'll be watching about two episodes a day.
 
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Showaddy said:
Kinda has to be, 99% of the TV audience couldn't guess that Theon being flayed on a giant X meant he was being held by the guy who's banner is a flayed man on a giant X.

Little hints here and there don't exactly work on the show.
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The problem is that these hints have answers. You could observe the flayed man sigil and infer what happened at Winterfell or equally you could have read the books or the wiki and know the answer. If you guess correctly people will think you know spoilers, if you are incorrect you invite discussion which in many places causes unwanted spoilers.

That is why mystery doesn't really work on GoT, you can't theorize about something when the answer is known.



PhoenixDark said:
They're obsessive to the point of ridiculousness - well, Linda is. Elio tends to enjoy the show to a degree. Linda is still mad about eye colors, names, etc.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the show, but I tend to view it as separate from the book. As long as it has the general spirit of the adaption I'm fine - and it usually does. I get upset when changes produce bad television - Dany in Qarth, Jon and Halfhand, everything about Stannis, Theon etc - but good changes are fine with me. For instance I've watched about 17 minutes of the review and they barely talk about the show - acting, writing, etc. Everything is about "x was changed."

One thing I agree about: the lack of any subtlety on the show is annoying. More than a year ago I predicted Oberyn would have a bisexual sex scene in S4, and lo and behold he does. It's just so obvious.
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I listened to their season 2 and 3 recaps and I thought they were entertaining. Listening to them nitpick about the book differences can be annoying but Elio does have some good thoughts on the show and how arcs have progressed. Linda, as you say, is a bookthumper.

They defend "George" to the hilt even excusing scenes from the episodes he has written. And when responding to the allegation they don't like any deviation from the books they pick something that was added (Theon in the Iron Islands) instead of something that was changed.

Some of the changes are interesting to look at season to season, in between each show seems small minded. I was particularly stupefied about their anger with the change from Jane to Talisa and how it would have been better if they were informed about the change. They were upset that they were dis-empowered by not knowing a character that was influencing the story.

They talk about Arya's arc and how Harrenhall wasn't the making of her but that would have seemed really unnatural if we had to witness the full cruelty of the books, akin to the extended Theon torture. Instead they pushed her development down the road and the key to her character changing is witnessing her family be ambushed and unable to do anything.

It is hard to develop characters like a book on TV without it either stalling the show or come off as forced. You can't get into a characters mind in the same way.

There was also a lot of talk about whitewashing Tyrion but really we needed a hero in King's Landing as the story is really being told through our heroes. Sansa is in KL but she doesn't give us a glimpse into the real power. We don't spend much time solely with the villains. As Tyrion falls outside of power in KL I expect Jaime to be our focal point, he is already being shown in a much more favorable light.
 
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Elio has had some great criticisms of the show but oftentimes he gets too caught up in the hardcore "that's not right" attitude. But it is certainly interesting getting his perspective, especially when he discusses butterfly effects. He has probably read 20-30% of TWOW already and you can kind of tell he knows how a variety of things will ultimately play out.
 
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