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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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PhoenixDark said:
Will there be tears? I'd imagine many viewers will guess he dies one he agrees to fight the Mountain. Makes me wonder how long can a show get away with this type of stuff lol.
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I remember reading that chapter thinking Oberyn would win, mostly because they wouldn't screw over Tyrion by having Oberyn lose. And for most of the fight, Oberyn is pretty much jabbing away and wearing down Gregor.

Until the end when he gets in way too close, at which point I was practically screaming at Oberyn to back off and just finish Gregor off and stop goading him. And then of course Oberyn gets his face caved in.

I kind of wonder if they'll actually get all gory with that. Its pretty shocking in the book since its not only Oberyn getting killed right as it looks like he's won, but its a really nasty death. It would be like Bronn getting killed after he's already taken down Ser Vardis.

Trasher said:
Although with Qyburn actually being introduced last season I think it's safe to say they will try to stick to that book storyline.
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Yeah, the fact that Qyburn is around makes me think they'll do something with Zombie Gregor and he might have some role to play in the books yet too.

RedShift said:
This really makes me think Joffrey dying in episode 2 is really going to blow people's minds. No one expects big stuff like that in a second episode.
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The show has done a pretty good job making people think all the major stuff happens in episode 9. But with this actually being the last third or so of ASoS, the whole season should basically be a big prolonged Episode 9 level of stuff happening.

The last third or so of A Storm of Swords is truly just one big thing happening after another.
 
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RedShift said:
This really makes me think Joffrey dying in episode 2 is really going to blow people's minds. No one expects big stuff like that in a second episode.
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Has it been confirmed that's when we are getting it?

I didn't like Viserys but there was a moment in the books later (can't remember), where Dany refused to go asking everyone for assistance because she thinks that's what really destroyed him. I felt bad then for 'The Beggar King' and actually thought about what his life was like.

Also, if he was the rightful King then did Dany commit treason when her husband killed him and she watched?
 
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Everyone (most people) have pretty much heard that this season is going to be a "blood bath."

So I fear that Joffrey's death reactions may be like, "Yeah, knew that was coming. Good."

No special reaction.

Hopefully they can make him do something sinister in the first two episodes to give fans a more "hell yeah!!" reaction.
 
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It's Joffrey, people are going to be happy no matter what or when. Going down in Episode 2 at his wedding after a celebration is going to stun ALOT of people.

This reminds me of people thinking nobody would care about Robb's death in the Season 3 OT
 
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You know I've been on a huge bender for fantasy titles through 2013 into 2014 and I completely forgot. The show revs back up this Sunday right? I barely remember what happened in the book at this point beyond the big 'ohshit!' moments.
 
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People are kind of trained to know when shit will go down. For instance many realize episodes 4 and 9 tend to be big. But episode 2? Maybe the laser focus on the wedding will clue some people in as they watch, but I'd imagine many more will expect something else. I know people who think Tyrion will be arrested at the end of the wedding, but they think it's due to him insulting Joffrey.

Given how graphic the show is I'd imagine he'll get a long death too, cry for his mom, etc.
 
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I can't wait for the purple wedding. I think Joffrey is hilarious but my wife HATES him. Every time he is on screen she gets visibly angry. He is such a little shit, but I like him. My wife hasn't read the books so I know it'll be so satisfying when his life is finally snuffed out.
 
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Dysun said:
It's Joffrey, people are going to be happy no matter what or when. Going down in Episode 2 at his wedding after a celebration is going to stun ALOT of people.

reminds me of people thinking nobody would care about Robb's death in the Season 3 OT
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Oh man, I remember. Pretty hilarious considering I think the meltdowns were beyond the reaction what many of us thought was going to happen.
 
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Trasher said:
I'm always surprised by people who interpreted that chapter this way. That once never occurred to me as being possible. Characters like Arya and Dany have too much plot armor. Even for ASOIAF!
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She got hit on the head with an ax, from a man on horseback going at a fast pace. Regardless of which side of the ax he used, at best it is going to be like a hit from a mace, delivered with all the moment of a running horse behind it.

It was a rather idiotic bit of writing in my opinion. It didn't make sense to kill her off but the way it was written, there was no way should could have survived. But then she did!
 
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Jayof9s said:
She got hit on the head with an ax, from a man on horseback going at a fast pace. Regardless of which side of the ax he used, at best it is going to be like a hit from a mace, delivered with all the moment of a running horse behind it.

It was a rather idiotic bit of writing in my opinion. It didn't make sense to kill her off but the way it was written, there was no way should could have survived. But then she did!
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Exactly. Her plot armor was too tough for that axe! :p
 
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Sandor wasn't trying to kill her. All he wanted to do was stop her from getting them both killed, either to knock her unconscious or knock her off the horse. He knew what he was doing.
 
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Beautiful Death did the Red Wedding today!

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Trasher said:
Exactly. Her plot armor was too tough for that axe! :p
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Were you really thinking about plot armor in that moment? Right after Robb, Cat, and a good number of Northern lords were just murdered at a wedding, you're thinking about plot armor?!

Obviously it made no sense for Sandor to kill Arya though.
 
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Steelyuhas said:
Were you really thinking about plot armor in that moment? Right after Robb, Cat, and a good number of Northern lords were just murdered at a wedding, you're thinking about plot armor?!

Obviously it made no sense for Sandor to kill Arya though.
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Maybe turning her in to the Freys and Boltons for some gold? Which was what Sandor was after.
 
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Steelyuhas said:
Were you really thinking about plot armor in that moment? Right after Robb, Cat, and a good number of Northern lords were just murdered at a wedding, you're thinking about plot armor?!

Obviously it made no sense for Sandor to kill Arya though.
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lol no I actually mentioned that in a different post earlier as well. Just joking around there!

But at the time I did think she was just knocked out. Nothing at the time made me think she was in any danger, and the Hound had zero reason for killing her as well. She was the most important thing to him if anything.

And let's be real. If she even had died it wouldn't have even been sad because it would have been one of the dumbest deaths of all time that was ever written. Probably would have quit reading because GRRM would be the worst writer of all time to waste a storyline like that. At least all the other deaths have excitement and drama and purpose! The Hound killing Arya would have just left you dumbfounded and questioning why you're even reading these shit books!
 
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I never thought Arya was dead after the wedding. Mostly because it would have made her entire journey totally pointless. The other major deaths had a point to them.

Ned set the tone for the series.
Cat was arguably the end result of her own stupidity.

Killing Arya then would have served no purpose.
 
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DrForester said:
I never thought Arya was dead after the wedding. Mostly because it would have made her entire journey totally pointless. The other major deaths had a point to them.

Ned set the tone for the series.
Cat was arguably the end result of her own stupidity.

Killing Arya then would have served no purpose.
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Not if you stop reading right after the red wedding, but if you carry on nonstop like I did you might indeed, since you had no time to stop and think...nevermind that what just had happened makes you realize that all bets are off in these books. :p
 
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Atraveller said:
^Quentyn Martell's death was pretty lackluster.
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What?! First of all, his face was crushed in by the Mountain's gauntlet. Second, it was an epic fight where he had the upperhand the whole time and then miserably failed in the end. And third, it meant Tyrion was in deep shit from there on out. There were so many huge implications because of his death. I would not call that lackluster at all.
 
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Atraveller said:
Maybe turning her in to the Freys and Boltons for some gold? Which was what Sandor was after.
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Seeing as he recently told Joffrey to fuck off negotiating with anyone who just sided with him in a spectacularly bloody fashion is probably a bad idea. He'd have been shipped to the Lannisters in chains along with Arya.
 
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Trasher said:
What?! First of all, his face was crushed in by the Mountain's gauntlet. Second, it was an epic fight where he had the upperhand the whole time and then miserably failed in the end. And third, it meant Tyrion was in deep shit from there on out. There were so many huge implications because of his death. I would not call that lackluster at all.
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That was Oberyn. Quentyn got set on fire by the dragons.
 
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Trasher said:
What?! First of all, his face was crushed in by the Mountain's gauntlet. Second, it was an epic fight where he had the upperhand the whole time and then miserably failed in the end. And third, it meant Tyrion was in deep shit from there on out. There were so many huge implications because of his death. I would not call that lackluster at all.
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Quentyn, not Oberyn.

RedShift said:
Seeing as he recently told Joffrey to fuck off negotiating with anyone who just sided with him in a spectacularly bloody fashion is probably a bad idea. He'd have been shipped to the Lannisters in chains along with Arya.
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Oh right.
The Artful Dodger said:
I thought Quentyn's death was kinda fitting, actually.
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We saw an uninteresting character spending so much time on reaching Daenerys, only to see him killed off, what a waste of time.
 
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bodyofanamerican said:
Shot in the dark here, but maybe the girl/prey getting torn up and raped by Ramsay and his hounds?
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Yeah, Ramsay seems most likely, but maybe something really grisly happens when they sack Meereen? Or maybe Brienne or Arya score a particularly nasty kill? It's always hard to know what's going to be happening in those midseason episodes.
 
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LA Times review: Is Game of Thrones the best TV show ever?

Although the weakest currency of criticism, superlatives have become a hallmark of television's recent resurgence. Words like "greatest," "smartest" and "funniest" are tossed about with the desperate regularity of Chuck E. Cheese tokens at a kindergartner's birthday party.

So to say that "Game of Thrones," which returns, roaring and snorting, for its fourth season on Sunday night, is the Best Television Show Ever isn't just thoroughly subjective, it's reductive. Despite our increasingly wearisome penchant for lists, television was never linear enough for meaningful comparisons; it is now so wildly diverse in form and function that any sort of ranking or award is all but meaningless.

But you know what? I'm going to say it anyway.

"Game of Thrones" is the Best Television Show Ever.
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Whoa. High praise, indeed.
 
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No, it's not. I love it (and the books) but in no way do either stack up as the best, maybe at misery porn and spectacle (practical and computer)but best show everrr is overselling it.
 
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cubicle47b said:
It's going to have important implications for Daenerys in The Winds of Winter.
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Arianne I TWOW:
you can tell Arianne is going to turn against Dany the minute she hears what happened to Quentyn. The jealousy and fear just oozes through that chapter, which kind of surprised considering she has developed into a smarter character than she once was.

I'd bet that Doran will caution against hostilities considering she has dragons, but Arianne will do something to ensure a new Dance Of Dragons starts. I've never bought the idea Doran will request Aegon marry Arianne as condition for his support - Aegon is (allegedly) Doran's blood nephew, thus he is bound to support him regardless. But I think Arianne will convince Aegon to marry her and turn against Dany, and ultimately they'll take the Iron Throne before TWOW ends.
 
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Speevy said:
I wonder how the part of Oberyn Martell was described to Pedro Pascal.

"So yes, you're going after Gregor Clegane to avenge your family."

"Great."

"There's this big battle, and you're totally kicking his ass."

"Sounds good."

"And then..."

"You've got to be kidding me."
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I don't think he was upset. I mean, he got to be on fuckin Game of Thrones. I would gladly serve as a corpse prop.
 
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