Why does Varys want a strong, perfect king, though?
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Why does Varys want a strong, perfect king, though?
Sickboy007
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To withstand the resurgence of magic on Westeros? I think he's a Blackfyre or a BF loyalist, but that seems to be another important motivation for him.
He looks waaaay to old know. It's been partially disguised by the face he never stands up but puberty really hit his actor like a slegehammer.
http://cdn.winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/thechildren2.jpg
Is there some special reason
isn't in this pic, or is he just out of frame?
Is there some special reason
Jojen
joliefaire
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And does he have a cold sore on his lip? Poor kid.
QuiteWhittle
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It's funny because he doesn't look that old outside of GoT.
Maybe he collapsed and they're looking at him.
Meera's probably looking back at him because he's sickly and has fallen behind.
His whole "for the realm" thing just taken to its extreme. He watched Aerys throw the whole kingdom into turmoil only to be replaced by a blustering fool like Robert and decided he needed to upend the whole system, so he hatched a long term plan to do it. It's a crazy plan from a guy who's become way too convinced that he knows what's best, but it makes sense.
I just feel like making Varys, one of the few real free agents in the story who's really pursuing his own goals into someone who actually has strong loyalty to one side or another really undermines that character.
Out of frame, probably struggling to keep up.
Except Sansa was still 14 (the same age she was in the pilot) on her wedding day with Tyrion.. The showrunners really should've ignored even mentioning ages past the initial few episodes. It would've made the aging of the younger actors less jarring if we weren't constantly reminded of it.
Watch the trailer and you'll see where he is.
Well, the character is about thirteen years old. He was fourteen during filming.
PHOENIXZERO
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He'll be a tree soon so it won't matter.
Bran is 9.
Basileus777
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All of the children have aged across the show, it just implies that more time has passed than in the books. It's not a problem right now.
Not right now but if Bran ever ends up leaving that tree he'll have to be recast.
Not really. Sansa tells Cersei that she is 14 in the pilot. Tyrion asks Sansa how old she is on their wedding night and she says 14. Not that much time has passed.
Doubtful.
Everybody is older in the television show. Show-Bran is 12 or 13.
Basileus777
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Those magic tree nutrients will just have aged him.
Well that's stupid of them to have mentioned that. Who would believe Sansa is still 14 anyway?
Well, even at the beginning of season 3, Jaime remarks to Brienne that he's been wearing the same boots for "almost a year" or something to that effect.
real_slime
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Haha, oh dear. That sounds like the timeline is a bit messed up if Sansa's 14 from the pilot until her wedding with Tyrion as well, then.
I'm just ignoring the show's sense of time. I don't like very condensed tv narratives unless a lot of effort is made to represent that, like 24 or something where it's part of the point. This show's been going for over 3 years so that's how long has passed as far as I'm concerned...
Cornballer
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A More Normal Bird
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She says she's 13 in the first episode, so her marriage to Tyrion could be anywhere from less than a year after to almost 2.
Has anyone been reading the westeros forums?
Apparently a guy named Foody has seen the episode because he works for a media company or something. He's said some... really crazy stuff, but the descriptions have been pretty detailed.
He claims
Apparently a guy named Foody has seen the episode because he works for a media company or something. He's said some... really crazy stuff, but the descriptions have been pretty detailed.
He claims
in the battle with Brienne and the Hound, Arya kills Podrick. Also Tysha is completely left out of the episode, undoing years of buildup, and Tyrion kills Shae with his bare hands instead of the Chekov's gun golden chains.
And you don't see Stannis or anyone else from his side. Just his army charging in, and that's it.
REALLY hope this stuff isn't true. If it is, GoT goes from decent adaptation to Hollywood-level rewrites of "lol boring book material"
And you don't see Stannis or anyone else from his side. Just his army charging in, and that's it.
REALLY hope this stuff isn't true. If it is, GoT goes from decent adaptation to Hollywood-level rewrites of "lol boring book material"
RatskyWatsky
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This would be awesome.
It would certainly cement the show as no longer even trying to follow the books anymore.
Dragonborn
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I think that's where they're going anyways. There's no way GRRM will be able to write the next few books in time, and they're not going to stop and wait. Might as well cut their losses and start building their own story. Maybe we can get a remake that fully follows the books in a few decades :/
Well, they adapted the Red Wedding. That's what they really wanted to do, right? Everything after that is... hey, the show's popular, let's keeping making episodes.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Exactly.
Dragonborn
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At the very least, the show writers are competent so hey, at least we can have twice as much Game of Thrones
.... got to look at the bright side of things.Not sure how I would feel about this.
It's just, y'know, the reason this show's so popular in the first place is because Martin was and is such a great writer. The structure was all up to him, and the characters and what they decided to do and where it took them. Very consistent, made a lot of sense, made for fantastic drama.
If they go into full-on "thanks for everything GURM, it's our now" fan fiction mode, they're basically... they don't know the characters as well as Martin does to handle them without his guidance, and even if they did, they probably don't care that much about making these people act "truthfully." The technique they use for the show certainly seems less refined. As the seasons go by, things will make less and less sense, and characters will be doing weird things and they'll keep falling in that direction, and then suddenly it's not that great story anymore that got people hooked. Instead it's just an entity that has to exist because it's a huge television show and you have to keep doing things required by that structure. They'll create lesser material by a considerable margin.
I mean, I guess the audience is in for the long haul now, but you hope that long haul is worth the time watching it and won't cause the numbers to drop, and people to look back in the future and say, "that really fell apart in those last few years."
If they go into full-on "thanks for everything GURM, it's our now" fan fiction mode, they're basically... they don't know the characters as well as Martin does to handle them without his guidance, and even if they did, they probably don't care that much about making these people act "truthfully." The technique they use for the show certainly seems less refined. As the seasons go by, things will make less and less sense, and characters will be doing weird things and they'll keep falling in that direction, and then suddenly it's not that great story anymore that got people hooked. Instead it's just an entity that has to exist because it's a huge television show and you have to keep doing things required by that structure. They'll create lesser material by a considerable margin.
I mean, I guess the audience is in for the long haul now, but you hope that long haul is worth the time watching it and won't cause the numbers to drop, and people to look back in the future and say, "that really fell apart in those last few years."
toddhunter
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You mean like all the book readers?
Martin certainly's had his snags, but I don't yet believe his story's entered an unstoppable slip into decay. It's just had to wind around a bit
toddhunter
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No me either, but you have to admit we are in part just reading because we assume he is going somewhere with it all. Also Arya might do something cool.
In my eyes, this coming episode is the absolute peak of the series. Martin might well bring it all together, but I think I'll still struggle to care as much as I did during these events with these characters.
As such I'm pretty relaxed about where the TV show goes.
Basileus777
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Looks like a troll.
WrenchNinja
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What the fuck is this bullshit
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