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Littlefinger said that the short lived peace after the War of the Five kings wouldn't survive the "three queens" who did he mean by that?

Shortly before that, Littlefinger mentions that Oswell Kettleblack returned to Gulltown on the Bravoosi galley Merling King and had some interesting tales. Presumably, he gave Littlefinger the rundown on Dany and her growing might.

From Littlefinger's POV at that point in time, Cersei, Maegery and Dany are the only actual queens involved in the battle for the Iron Throne. Jeyne and Selyse aren't active players in the game of thrones.
 

Enosh

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I tend to agree. If Rickon manages to make it back, the north will completely forget about Stannis. Worse yet Stannis will have to deal with the fact that Davos' actions led to this; granted Davos believed retrieving Rickon would lead to the north supporting Stannis, but I doubt Stannis will believe or understand that.

Betrayed and exhausted, he'll march back to the Wall and receive even more bad news.
that would be stupid, he still has quite a few men left and just got money from Bravos, I think they could reach a "I murder the boltons and make Rickon warden of the north with more autonomy after the shit is over" there is no point to all of the north antagonizing Stannis for shit and giggles and some king in the north bullshit that died with Robb at the red wedding

I guess one could argue that they just want to secure the north and then tell Stannis to fuck off, but I don't think even the northmen would so stupid to not understand that who ever wins the IT will go after them
 

Valhelm

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Do we know what Varys thinks of Littlefinger? The characters are so similar, but in other ways so different. Littlefinger's sexual desire is one of his biggest motivations, while that obviously does not influence Varys at all.
 

SamVimes

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Do we know what Varys thinks of Littlefinger? The characters are so similar, but in other ways so different. Littlefinger's sexual desire is one of his biggest motivations, while that obviously does not influence Varys at all.

I believe they both think they have each other in their pocket.
 

kirblar

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Do we know what Varys thinks of Littlefinger? The characters are so similar, but in other ways so different. Littlefinger's sexual desire is one of his biggest motivations, while that obviously does not influence Varys at all.
He does not like him. Their motivations are polar opposites. (Littlefinger- selfishness, Varys- selflessness)
 
Do we know what Varys thinks of Littlefinger? The characters are so similar, but in other ways so different. Littlefinger's sexual desire is one of his biggest motivations, while that obviously does not influence Varys at all.

They put on a show for eachother when they interact because they don't want to show their hand. Of course it seems like they get along but they're rivals in every sense. I think Littlefinger underestimates Varys though, while Varys knows that Baelish is a dangerous guy with dangerous plans.
 
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Oh man, too soon.
 

SamVimes

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I don't think Varys is that stupid. Littlefinger might be, as Littlefingers plans have really only succeeded on chance and luck.

What i mean is that at least that's the image they tro to project. Varys says to Eddard (or maybe Tyrion) that he lets everyone thinks he's their man and he specifically includes Littlefinger. At the same time Littlefinger says that he has the eunuch by the balls to Catelyn.

They both seem to think they're manipulating the other, of course you could read the quote above and come to the conclusion that Varys is the one on top but i wouldn't be so sure about that.
 

CassSept

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Do we know what Varys thinks of Littlefinger? The characters are so similar, but in other ways so different. Littlefinger's sexual desire is one of his biggest motivations, while that obviously does not influence Varys at all.

Chaos is a laddah.

They're both manipulative schemers, yes, but they are completely different. From motivations, to their ultimate goals, they operate on a completely different set of principles. I guess you may consider their heritage similar (since neither of them were born to noble families), but they couldn't be any more different.
 

PantherLotus

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Chaos is a laddah.

They're both manipulative schemers, yes, but they are completely different. From motivations, to their ultimate goals, they operate on a completely different set of principles. I guess you may consider their heritage similar (since neither of them were born to noble families), but they couldn't be any more different.

I'm not convinced Varys' intentions are as noble as they seem. I expect a reveal beyond what we already know at some point.
 

Speevy

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Chaos is a sandwich.

Those who try to use too much mayonnaise quickly overwhelm the flavor of the meat.

Others grab too much meat at the expense of cheese.

Meat, cheese, mayonnaise are an illusion. Only the bread is real.
 

Speevy

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Someone asked an interesting question in the other thread.

In the show, how does Mance Rayder know Jon is back with the Night's Watch?
 

Brakke

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Maybe Mance doesn't know; he hasn't done anything to indicate he knows. When Jon marches out from the gates toward him all in blacks and speaking for the Night's Watch, he'll probably figure it out.
 

Iksenpets

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Someone asked an interesting question in the other thread.

In the show, how does Mance Rayder know Jon is back with the Night's Watch?

The Wildlings in the South were somehow able to let Mance know they need reinforcements, hence that scene in episode 1 with them all waiting around for new orders and then being pissed off when it arrives in the form of Thenns. So I would think they somehow got word to him about Jon? Maybe they sent one person back across the Wall? I don't know.
 

Valhelm

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I'm not convinced Varys' intentions are as noble as they seem. I expect a reveal beyond what we already know at some point.

I've got no idea what Varys wants, besides the Targaryens to return. I really wonder if he's part of some huge magical conspiracy, connected to dragons, Faceless Men, and/or Others. His desires for "a strong realm" seem a bit meaningless. He obviously has no self interests.
 

Iksenpets

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I've got no idea what Varys wants, besides the Targaryens to return. I really wonder if he's part of some huge magical conspiracy, connected to dragons, Faceless Men, and/or Others. His desires for "a strong realm" seem a bit meaningless. He obviously has no self interests.

I'm still not sure Varys has any actual loyalty to Targaryens or Blackfyres. I think he's way more interested in the whole idea of creating a perfect king that he sort of detailed to Kevan in their final scene. Making his king a Targaryen is just the simplest way of giving him legitimacy in the eyes of the people. I don't think he really cares about it outside of that. What matters to Varys about Aegon isn't his blood, but that he was raised exactly how Varys wanted him to be raised.
 

Drazgul

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So... the pillar and stones... grew back... and initiated puberty? What?

Or like, he just affected a deep voice because he wanted to be scary and cool.

Ros just quickly copped a feel, you really think Varys as a master of disguises wouldn't be able to hide his manhood (and the crotch grab only happened in the show, not in the books)? Sure sounds more likely to me than just wanting to be "scary and cool" to a dying man - and I'm not sure if true eunuchs even can lower their voices without sounding completely unnatural.
 

Brakke

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Ros just quickly copped a feel, you really think Varys as a master of disguises wouldn't be able to hide his manhood (and the crotch grab only happened in the show, not in the books)? Sure sounds more likely to me than just wanting to be "scary and cool" to a dying man - and I'm not sure if true eunuchs even can lower their voices without sounding completely unnatural.

Nonsense.

This is some thin conspiracy fuel. What's the point of mistrusting Varys's eunuchism anyway? What would it change if he did have a dong?
 

Szeth

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Bryan Cogman ‏@b_cogman 12m
Hi gang. Gonna be off the grid for awhile, for real this time. :) Really hope you all enjoy the finale. See you soon! #ValarMorghulis

Cogman bailing early to avoid all the backlash from cutting LSH. It is known.
 
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