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[PhoenixDark]

God-DAMN that Rains playing while Tywin has Ice remade.

Fucking a.

Then it ending with a small Stark victory to remind you that they're still around.

I like how both the Stark and Lannister themes were playing at the same time before Rains took over. Really nice.

 

[Razzer]

Err, so I don't usually say anything about this but I noticed there is an argument going on in the no books thread that is being debated almost entirely by people who have read the books. Honestly that seems kinda silly to me. So far it seems most of what has been said is only stuff that could be inferred watching the show, but still, that could surely come here? This is still a thread about the show not the books after all. Seems the risk of a slip-up, even accidentally, is to great. I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

 

[Leeness]

Err, so I don't usually say anything about this but I noticed there is an argument going on in the no books thread that is being debated almost entirely by people who have read the books. Honestly that seems kinda silly to me. So far it seems most of what has been said is only stuff that could be inferred watching the show, but still, that could surely come here? This is still a thread about the show not the books after all. Seems the risk of a slip-up, even accidentally, is to great. I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

 

[SamVimes]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

I did before reading the books, you can probably find my post about it in the season 3 thread.

 

[Higgins113]

Can't believe they recast Euron again, ugh.

 

[Razzer]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

He said it was based on fan speculation, which to me sounds like he walked in on some book reader friends talking about the theory or some such. It's technically not spoilers, but maybe Cornballer could clarify whether speculation based on evidence from the books is allowed?

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Can't believe they recast Euron again, ugh.

Euron or Daario?

 

[Leeness]

I did before reading the books, you can probably find my post about it in the season 3 thread.

Really? What clued you in? They're barely been mentioned on the show that I can remember.

 

[Razzer]

Can't believe they recast Euron again, ugh.

Is this a reference to that silly Daario is Euron theory?

 

[SamVimes]

Really? What clued you in? They're barely been mentioned on the show that I can remember.

I think the extras in the dvds (history and lore) make it really obvious when you connect them to the random comments made about Ned and Rhaegar in the show.

 

[RedShift]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

Back when I hadn't read them someone came in there and suggested Jon could be Benjen or Lyanna's son instead of Ned's from the way he said "You are a Stark", and from that I figured Rhaegar would be the likely father (or even only possible father) if Lyanna was the mother.

I think it's certainly possible to think it from the show, but there's definitely not the evidence to be pretty much 99% certain like there is in the books.

Edit: Oh yeah and if you watch the DVD extras Cat has one where she's like 'Rhaegar ran off with Lyanna, I married Ned, he went off to war, came back with another woman's son". That kind of gives it away.

Is this a reference to that silly Daario is Euron theory?

Also Benjen. Every character who isn't a POV is actually the same Faceless Man travelling repeatedly back in time.

 

[Leeness]

I think the extras in the dvds (history and lore) make it really obvious when you connect them to the random comments made about Ned and Rhaegar in the show.

Back when I hadn't read them someone came in there and suggested Jon could be Benjen or Lyanna's son instead of Ned's from the way he said "You are a Stark", and from that I figured Rhaegar would be the likely father (or even only possible father) if Lyanna was the mother.

I think it's certainly possible to think it from the show, but there's definitely not the evidence to be pretty much 99% certain like there is in the books.

Also Benjen. Every character who isn't a POV is actually the same Faceless Man travelling repeatedly back in time.

Oh, I see. I haven't watched any of the extras haha.

Well, carry on then. Lol.

 

[RedShift]

Here's the video I was thinking of. Catelyn narrating her experiences of the Rebellion. I think even someone who had never seen a single episode could probably guess at R+L=J from this.

 

[NekoFever]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

I think all the components of the theory are there. Maybe not some of the background from the books that makes it really obvious, but it doesn't take a deep analysis to notice that on top of the question of Jon's parentage it seems really out of character for Ned to father a bastard and he made a promise to his dying sister, who had been kidnapped by Rhaegar, before turning up back at Winterfell with Jon.

 

[Willkiller]

The fuck is Green Coffee?

 

[Razzer]

I don't want to alarm anyone, but I think there's a robotic spy amongst us...

 

[Yonafunu]

I totally agree, Green Coffee!

 

[IAmtheFMan]

If Green Coffee is a TWOW spoiler, I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[NekoFever]

If Green Coffee is a TWOW spoiler, I'm gonna be pissed.

Hot Pie's secret identity.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Yeah, I guessed Lyanna and Rhaegar were probably Jon's parents (the whole "secret parent" angle that's been done many times in the past) while watching the first season before reading the books. First thing that came to mind when Jon didn't know about his mother was that it was actually Lyanna and that Rhaegar was his actual father though I did assume that it wasn't consensual.

So, basically book Daario?

I never got rapey creeper vibes off Daario when reading the books, that was solely based on appearance. The douche part I'll give, a self assured, confident douche. The only downside for me so far with the new Daario so far is that he looks entirely ordinary and doesn't stand out at all which at the very least Old Daario did, hopefully the personality stuff will come about when he gets more screen time.



YAY spam bot!

 

[Moff]

Err, so I don't usually say anything about this but I noticed there is an argument going on in the no books thread that is being debated almost entirely by people who have read the books. Honestly that seems kinda silly to me. So far it seems most of what has been said is only stuff that could be inferred watching the show, but still, that could surely come here? This is still a thread about the show not the books after all. Seems the risk of a slip-up, even accidentally, is to great. I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

I didnt even realize he was a book-reader, too
but I backed up everything with show quotes, I even said in which episode what was said

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Green coffee is Jon's mom

 

[Cornballer]

Someone's paying the Iron price for their Green Coffee this morning.

 

[Yonafunu]

Maybe he was trolling us, and the russian text was a summary of TWOW.

 

[pr0cs]

The only downside for me so far with the new Daario so far is that he looks entirely ordinary and doesn't stand out at all which at the very least Old Daario did, hopefully the personality stuff will come about when he gets more screen time.

agree, they're painting him as a 'nice guy', I really can't see the book Daario giving Dany flowers and smiling sweetly. He would be too busy fondling his sword hilts.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I will take what is mine with cream and sugar

 

[Cornballer]

- Jimmy Kimmel: KFC Capitalizing on Game of Thrones (youtube)
- Alyssa Rosenberg: The great ‘Game of Thrones’ Daario switch and the state of beefcake

 

[Steelyuhas]

How was it done back in Blackwater episode? I remember that the opening showed different locales, but I can't remember if only characters appearing in the episode were listed or several other major ones (e.g. Dany) too.

They only showed those in the episode. It still flew around to the normal locations. There were some gaps in credits showing with much fewer than usual names showing up.

 

[eot]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

It's by no means obvious in the show, but because they have to make every scene count that means if they mention something in a scene it's probably important. Ned not wanting to talk about who he slept with? Something's probably up with that, otherwise why mention it? In the books it's easier for the hints to get drowned in all the other details, unless you're reading carefully and stopping to think about everything. Maybe I'm just a sloppy reader though.

 

[Cornballer]

A couple from WiCnet:

- Inside the Episode: Two Swords (various production vids, some linked already)
- Winter Is Coming Live Full Episode

 

[agrajag]

the old Daario looked the part, this new one just looks like another gringo from Westeros

 

[Trasher]

I kind of find it hard to believe that a show watcher would believe Jon's parents are actually someone they've never seen in the show before. If they truly did figure it out based on what's been shown over the course of three seasons, then kudos to them, but it seems rather unlikely if they are going solely on what they've seen in the show.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I think all the components of the theory are there. Maybe not some of the background from the books that makes it really obvious, but it doesn't take a deep analysis to notice that on top of the question of Jon's parentage it seems really out of character for Ned to father a bastard and he made a promise to his dying sister, who had been kidnapped by Rhaegar, before turning up back at Winterfell with Jon.

I was amused yesterday by reading some Facebook comments from supposed book readers calling out R+L=J supporters as not reading the books because of what Edric Dayne told Arya... A lot of people seemed to have taken that at face value.

 

[Willkiller]

I kind of find it hard to believe that a show watcher would believe Jon's parents are actually someone they've never seen in the show before. If they truly did figure it out based on what's been shown over the course of three seasons, then kudos to them, but it seems rather unlikely if they are going solely on what they've seen in the show.

I'd go as far as to say there is no reason why the show watchers would even be thinking about his parents at this point.

 

[Cornballer]

Err, so I don't usually say anything about this but I noticed there is an argument going on in the no books thread that is being debated almost entirely by people who have read the books. Honestly that seems kinda silly to me. So far it seems most of what has been said is only stuff that could be inferred watching the show, but still, that could surely come here? This is still a thread about the show not the books after all. Seems the risk of a slip-up, even accidentally, is to great. I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

Yes, it's a problem and book readers need to stay out of that thread. Most people mean well, but there are frequent errors when they mix up book and show content.

Regarding the back-seat modding comment, if you notice anything that's especially problematic over there, it's usually best to just PM a moderator about it rather than discuss it in this thread. Thanks.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I kind of find it hard to believe that a show watcher would believe Jon's parents are actually someone they've never seen in the show before. If they truly did figure it out based on what's been shown over the course of three seasons, then kudos to them, but it seems rather unlikely if they are going solely on what they've seen in the show.

Depends maybe on how many times you've seen the whole "secret parent/parentage" thing before watching the show. There's literally zero reason for Ned to keep who his mother is a secret from him unless it's something important, you can get that from the show just from the first or second episode.

I'd go as far as to say there is no reason why the show watchers would even be thinking about his parents at this point.

Since Jon asks Ned about his mother in the second episode, why not?

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Yes, it's a problem and book readers need to stay out of that thread. Most people mean well, but there are frequent errors when they mix up book and show content.

Regarding the back-seat modding comment, if you notice anything that's especially problematic over there, it's usually best to just PM a moderator about it rather than discuss it in this thread. Thanks.

Cornballer. I don't know if you get enough credit for your amazing work as a Mod/Source of all television knowledge.

 

[Judderman]

Anyone notice the potential symbolism and foreshadowing with the three flowers?

I don't know if there is any symbolism but dozens of "Benjen = Daario" theorists probably passed out from excitement when he took out the blue rose.

 

[Willkiller]

Since Jon asks Ned about his mother in the second episode, why not?

This is a show with so many threads, so many characters and every character has their own story from season to season. I think the simple answer is that too much has happened for people to be thinking about a question asked in episode 2 that hasn't really been touched upon again.

I'm sure they'll be able to bring it up once Howland Reed is introduced

 

[NekoFever]

I was amused yesterday by reading some Facebook comments from supposed book readers calling out R+L=J supporters as not reading the books because of what Edric Dayne told Arya... A lot of people seemed to have taken that at face value.

Can you refresh my memory?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

This is a show with so many threads, so many characters and every character has their own story from season to season. I think the simple answer is that too much has happened for people to be thinking about a question asked in episode 2 that hasn't really been touched upon again.

I'm sure they'll be able to bring it up once Howland Reed is introduced

IF George actually gets to it

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

the old Daario looked the part, this new one just looks like another gringo from Westeros

And yet this one can act! I know what I prefer.

 

[curlyfriski]

Err, so I don't usually say anything about this but I noticed there is an argument going on in the no books thread that is being debated almost entirely by people who have read the books. Honestly that seems kinda silly to me. So far it seems most of what has been said is only stuff that could be inferred watching the show, but still, that could surely come here? This is still a thread about the show not the books after all. Seems the risk of a slip-up, even accidentally, is to great. I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

Dude was claiming losing the Freys was made up for by gaining the Westerlings, he obviously didn't read the books too closely

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Can you refresh my memory?

When she meets Edric Dayne in the BWB he tells her that he and Jon were "milk brothers" and that the wet nurse was Wylla and Jon's mother.

 

[Willkiller]

IF George actually gets to it

TWOW

Too bad Jon is dead

 

[Trasher]

I don't know if there is any symbolism but dozens of "Benjen = Daario" theorists probably passed out from excitement when he took out the blue rose.

Sort of seemed like each flower could possibly describe the three different dragon riders (Jon/Dany/Tyrion).

If Benjen = Daario, I will erase my memory of the whole series.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

TWOW

Too bad Jon is dead

Wait has it actually been confirmed that George is doing it in TWOW?

 

[Iksenpets]

Sort of seemed like each flower could possibly describe the three different dragon riders (Jon/Dany/Tyrion).

If Benjen = Daario, I will erase my memory of the whole series.

I plan to read Winds sitting by a roaring fire, and if pretty much any Daario theory comes true I'm going to hurl the book into the flames.

Also, um, what was this green coffee everyone was on about?

Also Benjen. Every character who isn't a POV is actually the same Faceless Man travelling repeatedly back in time.

The POV characters are Benjen, too. He's just such a good Faceless Man that even his internal thoughts are in character.

 

[Willkiller]

Wait has it actually been confirmed that George is doing it in TWOW?

Oh god no, I just hope that's when we finally meet him

 

[Kerned]

TWOW

Too bad Jon is dead

I'm sure he's trapped inside Ghost, though I sort of hope he's just dead. That would actually be the bigger surprise.