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[Layell]

If you think Jon is actually dead and not warged into Ghost then you know nothing.

We get hints in the story Robb was a warg as well, his last words in the books were 'Grey Wind' then Grey Wind goes on the killing spree.

Jon's last words are 'Ghost' and who knows what he's about to do as the wolf now, but Melisandre is at Castle Black and she's already talked about reviving dead people.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Oh god no, I just hope that's when we finally meet him

Oh. I was so excited

Who could actually go there though? Seems like the only possibilities are either Sansa (if she makes her claim on the North) or Asha.

 

[Drazgul]

I'm sure he's trapped inside Ghost

Simpsons Robin Hobb did it!

 

[Willkiller]

Oh. I was so excited

Who could actually go there though? Seems like the only possibilities are either Sansa (if she makes her claim on the North) or Asha.

He hears of Commander Snow's death, finally decides to leave....

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

He hears of Commander Snow's death, finally decides to leave....

He'll use his crazy frogman northern voodoo to bring Jon back rather Mel.

 

[Forkball]

Can't believe people believe the whole Euron/Benjen = Daario thing. It's clearly Bloodraven.

 

[Kain]

Anyone else loved when Slynt was laughing at all of Jon's explanations up to the giants' part? Then Thorne and all his cronies went scared shitless and Slynt just looked like a moron (well, even more of a moron)

Can't wait for the fetch me a block part. Hopefully next season.

 

[gspec]

Martin has already said that Jon is not dead.

 

[agrajag]

And yet this one can act! I know what I prefer.

The other one acted just fine. He was a perfect manifestation of Daario from the books.

 

[toastyToast]

I imagined Daario as an impossibly beautiful rogue so the last casting seemed pretty on the dot. He's supposed to be so incredibly hot that Dany can't construct one non-lecherous thought about him. New Daario just looks like some guy

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I imagined Daario as an impossibly beautiful rogue so the last casting seemed pretty on the dot. He's supposed to be so incredibly hot that Dany can't construct one non-lecherous thought about him. New Daario just looks like some guy

They obviously want to expand his role.

I thought in the books that her just wanting to Bone Down with Daario the entire time kinda set back her character development quite a bit. So by making him a more fleshed out character is something welcome for me.

 

[Yonafunu]

I imagined Daario as an impossibly beautiful rogue so the last casting seemed pretty on the dot. He's supposed to be so incredibly hot that Dany can't construct one non-lecherous thought about him. New Daario just looks like some guy

I thought Daario was supposed to be extremely attractive to Dany despite being tacky and arrogant, and not particularly good-looking.

 

[Jackson50]

Has the show revealed that Petyr Baelish and Lysa Tully murder Jon Arryn? I was discussing the show with a group of friends who have not read the books, and one of them mentioned the Lannisters assassinating Jon Arryn. I bit my tongue out of caution as I don't think that was revealed in the books until Sansa has reached the Eyrie.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Has the show revealed that Petyr Baelish and Lysa Tully murder Jon Arryn? I was discussing the show with a group of friends who have not read the books, and one of them mentioned the Lannisters assassinating Jon Arryn. I bit my tongue out of caution as I don't think that was revealed in the books until Sansa has reached the Eyrie.

Yeah, it's going to be revealed later. (I could see that being one of the last scenes in the season)

 

[Herr K]

Has the show revealed that Petyr Baelish and Lysa Tully murder Jon Arryn? I was discussing the show with a group of friends who have not read the books, and one of them mentioned the Lannisters assassinating Jon Arryn. I bit my tongue out of caution as I don't think that was revealed in the books until Sansa has reached the Eyrie.

That's something Sansa learns after she leaves Kings Landing, I believe. When she reaches the Eyrie maybe, thing is, she hears it from Petyr and Lysa.

 

[toastyToast]

They obviously want to expand his role.

I thought in the books that her just wanting to Bone Down with Daario the entire time kinda set back her character development quite a bit. So by making him a more fleshed out character is something welcome for me.

Yeah, definitely. The character isn't a 13 year old or whatever so tackling it as a more adult relationship seems like the best way to go about it. I dunno, the last one just fit the image in my head a lot better. Most of the time I'm completely off.

Has the show revealed that Petyr Baelish and Lysa Tully murder Jon Arryn? I was discussing the show with a group of friends who have not read the books, and one of them mentioned the Lannisters assassinating Jon Arryn. I bit my tongue out of caution as I don't think that was revealed in the books until Sansa has reached the Eyrie.

It's revealed at the end of AFFC with all the other stuff iirc

 

[Jackson50]

That's something Sansa learns after she leaves Kings Landing, I believe. When she reaches the Eyrie maybe, thing is, she hears it from Petyr and Lysa.

Right. As I recall, Lysa revealed it during the kerfuffle over Sansa and Petyr's kiss.

 

[Kerned]

Do you guys think Lysa will get shoved out (down?) the door this season? I feel like there is all ready so much on the agenda that it's going to have to get moved into season 5.

 

[SamVimes]

This is definitely at the end of the season with Only Cat.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Do you guys think Lysa will get shoved out (down?) the door this season? I feel like there is all ready so much on the agenda that it's going to have to get moved into season 5.

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

 

[demosthenes]

Do you guys think Lysa will get shoved out (down?) the door this season? I feel like there is all ready so much on the agenda that it's going to have to get moved into season 5.

Set photos leaked pretty much point to episode 10.

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

Joff is dying next episode and she's getting smuggled out the second he's dead. Cersei will immediately think that it was Tyrion, there is no way Sansa can stay in King's Landing.

 

[Trasher]

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

The trailer already showed us a shot of her in the Eyrie.

 

[SamVimes]

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

What is Sansa gonna do from episode 2 to episode 10 then?

 

[toastyToast]

Do you guys think Lysa will get shoved out (down?) the door this season? I feel like there is all ready so much on the agenda that it's going to have to get moved into season 5.

Probably. They'll be out of Sansa material if they squeeze all the Vale stuff into this season. For this season I expect it to be her escape along with her time on The Fingers then making it to the Vale and ending there

 

[RedShift]

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

Seeing as next episode is Joffrey's wedding I'm guessing she'll leave King's Landing at the end of next episode or the beginning of episode 3. No way is she hanging around hiding for 8 episodes.

Lysa will fly either episode 7 (titled Mockingbird) or at the end of the series just before Stoneheart appears like in the books I'd guess

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Set photos leaked pretty much point to episode 10.



Joff is dying next episode and she's getting smuggled out the second he's dead. Cersei will immediately think that it was Tyrion, there is no way Sansa can stay in King's Landing.

The trailer already showed us a shot of her in the Eyrie.

What is Sansa gonna do from episode 2 to episode 10 then?

Lol, guess I'm wrong.

 

[eot]

Probably Next Season, I could see Sansa's story ending with her leaving King's Landing this season.

Please no, I'm tired of her sitting around and just crying.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I was amused yesterday by reading some Facebook comments from supposed book readers calling out R+L=J supporters as not reading the books because of what Edric Dayne told Arya... A lot of people seemed to have taken that at face value.

There's no reason not to take it at face value, at least in regard to having a milk mother. If we are to believe Jon is Lyanna's child the obvious question becomes "how did Ned feed an infant during a horse ride from the Tower of Joy to Starfall." If Lyanna was pregnant she no doubt had a handmaiden (one or more), which is where Wylla must have come in.

Then there's the issue of Ashara jumping out the window. Did she do it due to Ned killing her brother? Or...did she do it because Ned told her the infant was his, thus causing love ridden Ashara Dayne to kill herself in grief?

 

[Red Arremer]

I mean, there have already been people saying Jeyne Westerling rather than Talisa which will be confusing the fuck out of the TV only people if they notice. If this seems like back-seat modding I'll drop it though.

I am one of those people, and yes, I did mention that Talisa was named Jeyne in the books. She originally was going to be cast as Jeyne Westerling, but the character deviated so much from the books that GRRM suggested changing her to an entirely new character, as mentioned here. I just didn't feel that detail/difference (especially given the casting history of the character) was significant enough to be considered an actual book spoiler. I wasn't delving into details about the Westerlings, either.

Though, granted, my knowledge of the books is limited. I only read some excerpts/wiki, as well as only a few of the books, in German. Only today did I start reading the original English books. I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess.

 

[Kerned]

I am one of those people, and yes, I did mention that Talisa was named Jeyne in the books. She originally was going to be cast as Jeyne Westerling, but the character deviated so much from the books that GRRM suggested changing her to an entirely new character, as mentioned here. I just didn't feel that detail/difference (especially given the casting history of the character) was significant enough to be considered an actual book spoiler. I wasn't delving into details about the Westerlings, either.

Though, granted, my knowledge of the books is limited. I only read some excerpts/wiki, as well as only a few of the books, in German. Only today did I start reading the original English books. I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess.

Then you are comparing the books to the show, which as far as I know is strictly off-limits in that thread.

 

[Red Arremer]

Then you are comparing the books to the show, which as far as I know is strictly off-limits in that thread.

I was not comparing them, though. This information is readily available in an interview with GRRM, who was talking about the show. I never talked about the other differences of the character. As a matter of fact, it came only up because somebody mistook Talisa with Jeyne (Poole), and I mentioned in passing that strictly speaking, Jeyne wasn't entirely wrong, as that's what the role originally was cast as and going to be, as well as the original name of the character.

 

[Faddy]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

Of course you can, it could be inferred from the second episode. This is what is annoying about GoT as a show and why I spoiled myself by reading awoiaf. It is a very engaging show and there is lots of extra content all over the internet, columns, podcasts, this thread etc that I want to enjoy but if I was always risking seeing or hearing spoilers then it wouldn't be as enjoyable.

No one would question someone posting a theory about central characters in other shows. Last season in Mad Men people were posting all sorts of theories about Bob Benson because that is what people do with TV shows. TV shows encourage this with Who Shot J.R. and every cop show on TV, people enjoy thinking ahead. Even in the books people are theorising about the three headed dragon and what it means.

If it does turn out that R+L=J (and it should because it is a terrible plot device otherwise) then it wasn't the hardest mystery to solve. On the show when we find out Jon is a bastard there are 4 adult female characters in the entire show. Cat, definitely not her; Lysa, could be Ned had a thing for her sister; Cersei, Ned hitting Robert's Queen on the dl seems unlikely after we learn about twincest and lastly dead Lyanna.

There only appears one logical possibility for Noble Ned, that he is protecting his sister's child. His actions are even more reasonable when we learn the fate of Rhaegar's other children and the attempt on Dany's life. Plus Ned telling Jon that they will speak about his mother once he has taken the black implies he has an important bloodline and we already heard about Lyanna and Prince Rhaegar

 

[Jackson50]

The trailer already showed us a shot of her in the Eyrie.

I had not seen those pictures before. It seems the first and third stills are the courtyard where she constructs the snow castle.

 

[Trasher]

I was not comparing them, though. This information is readily available in an interview with GRRM, who was talking about the show. I never talked about the other differences of the character. As a matter of fact, it came only up because somebody mistook Talisa with Jeyne (Poole), and I mentioned in passing that strictly speaking, Jeyne wasn't entirely wrong, as that's what the role originally was cast as and going to be, as well as the original name of the character.

Why even get into a conversation over there about that stuff? =/

I had not seen those pictures before. It seems the first and third stills are the courtyard where she constructs the snow castle.

And the second one as well. Look at the design of the metal gates in each.

 

[toastyToast]

Bringing any knowledge from the book to the show only thread is frowned upon even though that's a weird sideways spoiler because Jeyne is an entirely different person who also happens to not be dead

 

[Kerned]

Bringing any knowledge from the book to the show only thread is frowned upon even though even though that's a weird sideways spoiler because Jeyne is an entirely different person who also happens to not be dead

Well Jeyne Poole is an entirely different person, but Jeyne Westerling just doesn't exist in the HBO version, right?

 

[FootballFan]

Will love watching the reactions to the purple wedding on youtube. Some people may even be sad that our dear Joffrey is gone.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Damn Littlefinger is definitely checking Sansa out

 

[RedShift]

Bringing any knowledge from the book to the show only thread is frowned upon even though even though that's a weird sideways spoiler because Jeyne is an entirely different person who also happens to not be dead

I'm still holding out hope that GRRM was lying about the hips disparity being a mistake, and the Jeyne Jaime saw was her sister, and she's actually run off with the Blackfish to raise Robb's baby and take back the North.

 

[Jackson50]

And the second one as well. Look at the design of the metal gates in each.

Ah, yes. I had not noticed that.

 

[Speevy]

Perhaps the dumbest question in the history of questions.

Why did the creation of this show hinge upon whether the creators knew who Jon Snow's mother is if Jon Snow is already dead?

 

[levious]

At least it kind of hid the random "is Jon Snow the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar???" post.

I really don't think you can infer that from the show yet, can you?

It can be inferred, but that post struck me a suspect. Plus that dude is full of shit.

 

[Faddy]

I was not comparing them, though. This information is readily available in an interview with GRRM, who was talking about the show. I never talked about the other differences of the character. As a matter of fact, it came only up because somebody mistook Talisa with Jeyne (Poole), and I mentioned in passing that strictly speaking, Jeyne wasn't entirely wrong, as that's what the role originally was cast as and going to be, as well as the original name of the character.

How would Jeyne Poole be brought up on the show thread because she has never been mentioned at all on the show.

I think the simplest thing to do is if you post on this thread you aren't allowed to post on the other thread, no matter what. There is already the PM system for asking questions to find out details hat casual fans miss.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well Jeyne Poole is an entirely different person, but Jeyne Westerling just doesn't exist in the HBO version, right?

We don't know if she exists or not. However, she was supposed to exist, since that was the character Oona Chaplin was originally cast at, and that was originally announced for season 2. It was only later on that she was renamed to Talisa, with GRRM's suggestion.

This is honestly more a behind-the-scenes spoiler than it is a book spoiler.

 

[toastyToast]

Well Jeyne Poole is an entirely different person, but Jeyne Westerling just doesn't exist in the HBO version, right?

That's right. I don't think it's a big deal personally. The show spruced up an otherwise boring character although I preferred Robb's dutifulness being what fucked up everything (like his dad) rather than marrying for love the more interesting of the two.

I'm still holding out hope that GRRM was lying about the hips disparity being a mistake, and the Jeyne Jaime saw was her sister, and she's actually run off with the Blackfish to raise Robb's baby and take back the North.

Completely forgot about this possibility. So much shit at play, my brain.

 

[Trasher]

Well Jeyne Poole is an entirely different person, but Jeyne Westerling just doesn't exist in the HBO version, right?

Jeyne Poole was an extra in season 1 lol.

Jeyne Poole is a background character in the first season. She is played by an unidentified extra and only appears in the series premiere. Jeyne Poole is a friend of Sansa Stark and daughter of Vayon Poole, the Steward of Winterfell.

In the books she went with Sansa to King's Landing, and eventually Littlefinger tries to pass her off as Arya and sends her to marry Ramsay.

Someone is getting their Jeyne's mixed up.

 

[Sickboy007]

Damn Littlefinger is definitely checking Sansa out

In the interviews they make it sound like they may have toned down the creepiness a bit. Who knows though, maybe it's just misdirection.

 

[FootballFan]

Damn Littlefinger is definitely checking Sansa out

You can tell from that screenshot?

Amazing ability. I salute you sir/madam.

 

[Faddy]

Perhaps the dumbest question in the history of questions.

Why did the creation of this show hinge upon whether the creators knew who Jon Snow's mother is if Jon Snow is already dead?

Probably to show GRRM that they were fans of the books and understood the material since he is (or was) very protective of his creation

 

[bengraven]

***ALL BOOK SPOILERS UNMARKED!!!!!!!!**** HOLY FUCKING SPOILERS GET THE FUCK OUT ***ALL BOOK SPOILERS***

Perhaps the dumbest question in the history of questions.

Why did the creation of this show hinge upon whether the creators knew who Jon Snow's mother is if Jon Snow is already dead?

Lulz.