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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Is he writing (adding content) or editing? This is the question. He keeps saying that he has a manuscript of 1000 or more pages. If this is true then he is editing it.

He has never said that. He says the book will be 1500 MS pages. The only specific info he has given on his progress was last year (S3 premier) when he said he was 25% done. That would mean he was around 400 pages in early 2013. Today he said he was "well into" TWOW, which could mean anything (50%? 60%? 70%?).
 

AngryMoth

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Renewed for another 2 season eh? I am very curious to what approach they take with them, feast and dance will be much harder to adapt than the others. Far more concurrent plots, an even larger cast and less eventful. Don't know what I'd do if I were writing them for tv.
 

Randdalf

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People seem eager to cut a lot of content from ADWD and AFFC, but I don't think they will do that at all. This is a show that thrives on inserting additional scenes and of having scenes featuring two characters "powering off", and there's a lot of that in ADWD and AFFC (it's basically all Cersei does in that book). There may not be loads of pivotal events, but those books contain many more interesting plot points than they are given credit for. Sure, the pace might slow down, but I don't think there's any danger of it making the show less entertaining.
 
Yep, but at least we now know that George is annoyed with the show spoiling TWOW content so maybe he'll get some motivation to have it out by then.

I think Winds will be out in 2015. So, if they can draw out AFFC and ADWD for two seasons, that will give both George and the show runners plenty of time.

What I'm worried about is book 7. There is absolutely no way the show will not be past the books by the time it's released if George continues at this pace.
 

Madness

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**** WARNING! **** HERE BE SPOILED DRAGONS AND BOOKS! ****

I am actually arguing with a bookthumper about this very matter as we speak. He is absolutely convinced that the show will have at least 10 seasons, and doesn't believe me if I'm telling him that if they draw stuff out for the sake of making the show last longer (and GRRM catching up in writing), the viewership will plummet by the millions they gained.

As much as I love the show, there is just no way in hell they will maintain the quality, ratings and relevancy for another 6+ seasons. They'll be lucky if they can keep the fans and show going at least till the 7th season. This isn't a sitcom that is easily churned out. I would imagine a lot of the actors as they grow are going to be wishing the show ends quick so they can go to other ventures in their career.

This season will finish off book 3, touch on things in books 4 and 5. Next season will probably combine the two, and then the season after will probably finish off the chronology of ADWD while incorporating TWOW for sure.

There is no guarantee Winds of Winter will come within the next two years, and obviously no chance in hell book 7 will beat the television series at this rate.
 

Kerned

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People seem eager to cut a lot of content from ADWD and AFFC, but I don't think they will do that at all. This is a show that thrives on inserting additional scenes and of having scenes featuring two characters "powering off", and there's a lot of that in ADWD and AFFC (it's basically all Cersei does in that book). There may not be loads of pivotal events, but those books contain many more interesting plot points than they are given credit for. Sure, the pace might slow down, but I don't think there's any danger of it making the show less entertaining.

But there still have to be big moments each season, and there is no way that they will run the seasons non-chronologically like the books do. What would the big story beats be for seasons 5 and 6 if they focused solely on those two books, the "episode 9 craziness" if you will?
 
But there still have to be big moments each season, and there is no way that they will run the seasons non-chronologically like the books do. What would the big story beats be for seasons 5 and 6 if they focused solely on those two books, the "episode 9 craziness" if you will?

Daznak's Pit? Jon's betrayal? Maybe even Cersei's penance walk?
 

Famassu

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Ha. Like Bran and Arya haven't already aged enough.



Yeah, Dany is already in ADWD-ville. This season will probably get her up to date actually, or really close to it.
This season will get her nowhere near the wedding or what comes after. She'll conquer Meereen and decide to stay there and we'll see her first steps as the ruler of Meereen and I'm pretty much 100% certain the season will end with the reveal that her precious little dragons have eaten a child and her deciding to lock them up. Season 5 will continue from her having locked up the two dragons and Drogon having fleed her, with Sons of the Harpy starting to pop up their head and the threat of war building up as the season goes forward.
 
I don't see all of Dance being in there by the end of Season 5, although Feast probably will be finished off.

We'll definitely be into Winds material for Sam, Sansa and Bran by the start of Season 6, but I could see Jon's Dance material lasting until about the middle of Season 6. They're just not going to be able to fit all of that in one season, especially if we don't get the Lord Commander election this season.
 
I think the two season renewal hints that they'll be covering AFfC and ADwD over those two seasons. I'd finish season 6 with the battle for Winterfell and the battle of Meereen because you know a ton of shit is going to go down in TWoW and those two battles will eat up a lot of budget. As for season 5, episode nine will be Daenerys riding off on Drogon and Cersei's walk of shame.

Edit: that gives GRRM until March 2017 to release TWoW. In 2018 the show will pass or have passed him.
 
This season will get her nowhere near the wedding or what comes after. She'll conquer Meereen and decide to stay there and we'll see her first steps as the ruler of Meereen and I'm pretty much 100% certain the season will end with the reveal that her precious little dragons have eaten a child and her deciding to lock them up. Season 5 will continue from her having locked up the two dragons and Drogon having fleed her, with Sons of the Harpy starting to pop up their head and the threat of war building up as the season goes forward.

They've cast Hizdahr, so we will probably have her marriage next season.
 

Iksenpets

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I don't see all of Dance being in there by the end of Season 5, although Feast probably will be finished off.

We'll definitely be into Winds material for Sam, Sansa and Bran by the start of Season 6, but I could see Jon's Dance material lasting until about the middle of Season 6. They're just not going to be able to fit all of that in one season, especially if we don't get the Lord Commander election this season.

Pretty much this. I don't think they could get all the way through Dance without seriously rushing. But now that they're confirmed for 2 seasons, they have some freedom to maybe not try to rush those events and let season 5 breathe a bit, and then have season six be crazy with two giant battles and whatever else goes down at the start of Winds.

But those events happen at more or less the same time, so spreading them out over two seasons would be tough.

They've made it pretty clear they're happy to break the chronology of the books. Dany's not supposed to be Queen of Meereen until Jon's already Lord Commander, but it looks like there could be a five or six episode gap between those events. Brienne's not supposed to head out looking for Sansa until Arya's already left the country, but in the show that's happening like 7 episodes before Arya leaves.
 
I think the two season renewal hints that they'll be covering AFfC and ADwD over those two seasons. I'd finish season 6 with the battle for Winterfell and the battle of Meereen because you know a ton of shit is going to go down in TWoW and those two battles will eat up a lot of budget. As for season 5, episode nine will be Daenerys riding off on Drogon and Cersei's walk of shame.

Edit: that gives GRRM until March 2017 to release TWoW. In 2018 the show will pass or have passed him.

I disagree. They'll be well past him by 2017. If they were talking publicly about ending the show in 2017, I'd imagine 2015 will have a decent amount of unreleased content and 2016 will be all new.

He's gotta get TWOW by 2015 to stay even a little bit ahead of the show, but I'd imagine he's resigned to the fact that ADOS is just not going to beat the TV show.
 
But those events happen at more or less the same time, so spreading them out over two seasons would be tough.
AFfC finishes about two thirds of the way through ADwD and that's around the same time Daenerys takes off. Jon's betrayal happens at the end. If you tack on the two battles that should have ended ADwD you have plenty of material for season 6.

Season 5 can have a strong focus on King's Landing (Cersei) and Meereen (Dany). Season 6 can have a strong focus on the Wall (Jon) and the battle for the north (Theon, Yara, Stannis, Davos) with a shift back towards Meereen as all the players besides Quentyn show up. All the others who are traveling or training can fill in around the more central storylines.
 

FootballFan

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Maybe he'll surprise us all and release ADOS the year after Winds. Maybe he's almost done with both and is just trolling us.

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Liam Cunningham signed a contract locking him down for another six seasons in Dec 2012. It doesn't seem actor contracts have been that constrained by yearly renewals. Also, that would be 8 seasons, which is what I expect it to run unless they want to get another year out of Winds/Spring material.
 

Iksenpets

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Reading through the no spoilers thread, it makes me sad seeing how many people seem to like Beric, seeing as he dies anticlimactically off-screen. :(
 

Faddy

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They have been talking about 7 seasons for a while. It is feasible that by the end of next season the show has covered all of AFFC and ADWD. Leaving a season each for WoW and DoS.

I don't think renewals are going to change the overall plot structure. It has been apparent since season 2 that the show is going to run as long as it takes to finish the story. Hopefully GRRM gets the sixth bok out in time for planning season 6 and they convince him to come on to the show full time to help write season 7.
 
the 2 seaosn renewal is probably so they can lock down actors

I think most of the main actors are already locked down through at least season 6 (hell, Liam Cunningham is signed all the way through season 8). It's probably most helpful in terms of plotting out the logistics for everything (not just writing, but also finding new filming locations, etc) in advance.
 

Faddy

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They have been talking about 7 seasons for a while. It is feasible that by the end of next season the show has covered all of AFFC and ADWD. Leaving a season each for WoW and DoS.

I don't think renewals are going to change the overall plot structure. It has been apparent since season 2 that the show is going to run as long as it takes to finish the story. Hopefully GRRM gets the sixth bok out in time for planning season 6 and they convince him to come on to the show full time to help write season 7.
 
I'm pretty sure Dany will be taking Mereen (given the two week gap between episode 1 and 2 she should be outside the city by either the next episode or episode three) by episode four unless I'm forgetting some hints from episode titles or something and from there the Harpy storyline will start by episode six. Drogon will kill the kid (a set up, frame job IMO) and Viserion and, Rhaegal will get locked away with sad Dany in episode ten.

**** WARNING! **** HERE BE SPOILED DRAGONS AND BOOKS! ****

I am actually arguing with a bookthumper about this very matter as we speak. He is absolutely convinced that the show will have at least 10 seasons, and doesn't believe me if I'm telling him that if they draw stuff out for the sake of making the show last longer (and GRRM catching up in writing), the viewership will plummet by the millions they gained.

Man... They're going to be sorely disappointed.

People seem eager to cut a lot of content from ADWD and AFFC, but I don't think they will do that at all. This is a show that thrives on inserting additional scenes and of having scenes featuring two characters "powering off", and there's a lot of that in ADWD and AFFC (it's basically all Cersei does in that book). There may not be loads of pivotal events, but those books contain many more interesting plot points than they are given credit for. Sure, the pace might slow down, but I don't think there's any danger of it making the show less entertaining.

I disagree, there's a lot of content in those books that simply will not translate into good TV. Much of the travelouge stuff is going to get trimmed if not out right cut because it's not so much needed in a TV show. For example, season five is more than enough to cover Dany's story up to ADWD, it's almost certain to cover it too, this season the dragons are going to be locked up, they're not going to stay locked up for two seasons. Plus there are characters that get POV chapters that could be completely exercised from the show or merged with other characters because the show doesn't need as much world building as the books. It's going to be condensed because they have no reason to needlessly stretch it out, they don't care where GRRM is with the books, especially if they're aiming for seven seasons or eight at most. I would rather TWOW and ADoS content have two or three full seasons than books 4 and 5 which really don't need it, 10-15 pages in a book can translate into two to five minutes worth of screen time, especially with the "world building" chapters.

It worked for ASoS because of how many big events that happened in that book, Feast and Dance simply don't have that.

I don't see all of Dance being in there by the end of Season 5, although Feast probably will be finished off.

We'll definitely be into Winds material for Sam, Sansa and Bran by the start of Season 6, but I could see Jon's Dance material lasting until about the middle of Season 6. They're just not going to be able to fit all of that in one season, especially if we don't get the Lord Commander election this season.

So, remaining third of Dance held off for season six? Why? The Lord Commander stuff could be done in the first three episodes next season and Jon getting assassinated in episode 10 for a season five cliff hanger, that's just logical to me at least. They're not going to get ten episodes out of an election stuff that takes place in a couple chapters, Jon could very well be elected in episode 10 this season since they're going to require something more to happen at the Wall between episode one and episode nine they could ignore the Stannis involvement which considering how they've made Stannis more of a puppet and less of a leader they very well might, if they don't it's can done by episode three next season. Having a lot of chapters doesn't necessarily translate into requiring a lot of TV time.

I think the two season renewal hints that they'll be covering AFfC and ADwD over those two seasons. I'd finish season 6 with the battle for Winterfell and the battle of Meereen because you know a ton of shit is going to go down in TWoW and those two battles will eat up a lot of budget. As for season 5, episode nine will be Daenerys riding off on Drogon and Cersei's walk of shame.

Edit: that gives GRRM until March 2017 to release TWoW. In 2018 the show will pass or have passed him.

The way it's going in the books the battle for Winterfell might not actually be much of a battle at all. I could see some ADWD parts in the last third of the book being carried for season six but not enough story to fill an entire season's worth of story for any one character.

The show is going to go seven seasons, eight max and season eight would be in 2018.
 
So, remaining third of Dance held off for season six? Why? The Lord Commander stuff could be done in the first three episodes next season and Jon getting assassinated in episode 10 for a season five cliff hanger, that's just logical to me at least. They're not going to get ten episodes out of an election stuff that takes place in a couple chapters, Jon could very well be elected in episode 10 this season since they're going to require something more to happen at the Wall between episode one and episode nine they could ignore the Stannis involvement which considering how they've made Stannis more of a puppet and less of a leader they very well might, if they don't it's can done by episode three next season. Having a lot of chapters doesn't necessarily translate into requiring a lot of TV time.

If the Lord Commander stuff is next season, then that already takes up at least one episode of Jon's storyline. They've only got 10 episodes, and Jon has a lot of material in Dance; he has the most chapters of any character. That's already a large amount of material for a single season, and they aren't going to make all of Season 5 about Jon. There's just as much stuff happening in King's Landing, Arya training in Braavos, Sam's travels, the events in Meereen, Stannis, Theon and Davos having largely separate storylines in various parts of the North, everything in Dorne, Jaime's entire story, Sansa in the Vale, whatever they do with the Iron Born, etc.

It's way too much stuff for a single season. Jon would probably be about two-thirds of the way through his Dance storyline, with the season also likely ending with Cersei being imprisoned and Jaime reuniting with Brienne. There's just no way to put all of Jon's Dance story into a single season unless they want to cut everyone else's stories at his expense and start giving him the most screen time of every character by a mile.
 

Kettch

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I was re-watching Hot Fuzz today, and knew that "Yarp" guy looked familiar. Never would have guessed the Hound though.
 
It's going to be 8 seasons. I think 7 was only being considered before the ratings jump. 4 books in 3 seasons when 2 of them aren't finished is crazy talk.
 
We know S4 will include AFFC/ADWD material for Theon, Brienne, and Dany. I think S5 will largely complete both books, leaving S6 to mainly be TWOW and any ADWD stuff they didn't complete earlier.

It's hard to turn AFFC/ADWD into two seasons because so many arcs have no resolution or halfway point. For instance where would you half Dany's arc? Tyrion? Jon? It makes far more sense to speed things up and have S5's big "episode 9" moment be Daznak's Pit and Cersei's walk of shame.

I'm assuming at least one of Theon's uncles will be cut, maybe two. Also they might replace Arianne with Ellaria, given they cast a noteworthy actress for the role.
 

CoolOff

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Yeah, 8 seasons is what makes the most sense to me. 7 isn't enough to get through it all, and I doubt 9 is possible logistically.

Thrones until 2018? I'm fine with that.
 

Faddy

Banned
It's going to be 8 seasons. I think 7 was only being considered before the ratings jump. 4 books in 3 seasons when 2 of them aren't finished is crazy talk.

We are going to be well into books 4 and 5 by the time this season ends. Possibly the main story at King's Landing slightly lagging. Then season 5 we get The Faith, Riverun Seige and fake Aegon.

Tywin will be dead by the end of the season, we aren't going to forget about KL and really there aren't many big events to fill more than a season. Every other story is being accelerated in comparison. Most of the stuff left in ASOS is Sansa and Tyrion chapters.
 

RedShift

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Speaking to friends who haven't read the books, or reading the no book spoilers thread, there's one thing everyone says.

"I really love this new prince guy, looks like he's going to be causing the Lannisters some problems!"

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They have fucking nailed Oberyn's introduction. Episode 8 is going to be brilliant.
 
They won't be well into books 4 and 5. A few stories will be. Granted, they could decide to cut half the material from both books and give GRRM a heart attack, then finish up the series on their own, but I don't think that's going to happen. In order for there to be a satisfying ending to the Meereen and Winterfell stories, they have to include the battles from TWoW, and covering most of AFfC, ADwD, and a couple hundred pages of TWoW in a season is crazy to me.
 
I'm assuming at least one of Theon's uncles will be cut, maybe two. Also they might replace Arianne with Ellaria, given they cast a noteworthy actress for the role.

I hope not, no idea where the Euron stuff is going but I wanna see that Victarion and Moqorro tag team. Mostly for the Moqorro factor, more Moqorro.
 
Hmm, after looking up who was cast this season, they are going farther than I thought in the side stories. It's possible they could cover the entire north and KL story by the end of next season.
 
Hmm, after looking up who was cast this season, they are going farther than I thought in the side stories. It's possible they could cover the entire north and KL story by the end of next season.

Regarding the north. I hope they start laying the groundwork next season for
the grand northern conspiracy
(theory about book 6). If anything, them laying the groundwork for the show would give it more traction.
 

ezrarh

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It'll be interesting to see where they end Dany's story this season since it's already going to go into ADWD. I just don't see how they can stretch out her story in S5 to just end at the pit and dragon riding moment. I also agree with whoever said travelogue's don't translate well to TV. They have to finish most of ADWD/AFFC by season 5, no way they can stretch it until the end of season 6 without it being a chore.
 
Regarding the north. I hope they start laying the groundwork next season for
the grand northern conspiracy
(theory about book 6). If anything, them laying the groundwork for the show would give it more traction.
This season? I don't know. Bran meets Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest and Roose makes it home to Ramsay. Then the battle at the wall happens in episode 9. It's possible there's a scene with Davos at White Harbor, I suppose.

edit: Rorge was cast this season so Brienne will end up fighting him. That's late in her story in AFfC. I think they're going to reveal un-Cat for the first time to Brienne in episode 10.
 

eot

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If the Lord Commander stuff is next season, then that already takes up at least one episode of Jon's storyline. They've only got 10 episodes, and Jon has a lot of material in Dance; he has the most chapters of any character. That's already a large amount of material for a single season, and they aren't going to make all of Season 5 about Jon. There's just as much stuff happening in King's Landing, Arya training in Braavos, Sam's travels, the events in Meereen, Stannis, Theon and Davos having largely separate storylines in various parts of the North, everything in Dorne, Jaime's entire story, Sansa in the Vale, whatever they do with the Iron Born, etc.

It's way too much stuff for a single season. Jon would probably be about two-thirds of the way through his Dance storyline, with the season also likely ending with Cersei being imprisoned and Jaime reuniting with Brienne. There's just no way to put all of Jon's Dance story into a single season unless they want to cut everyone else's stories at his expense and start giving him the most screen time of every character by a mile.

Jon has a lot of chapters, but you could do the same storyline a lot quicker. They haven't been afraid to condense stuff so far, look at what they did to Arya's storyline in season 2. No, they simply need to get ADwD over with and there is no good place to end a season in the middle of that book. Hell, you can barely end it where it ends because the actual ending got cut. I wouldn't be surprised if they put in one of the battles.

Also, if they go eight seasons then that leaves them 1½ season for each of the last two books, which are probably going to be big. So pacing issues aside, they simply don't have time to dwell on ADwD.
 

Famassu

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But there still have to be big moments each season, and there is no way that they will run the seasons non-chronologically like the books do. What would the big story beats be for seasons 5 and 6 if they focused solely on those two books, the "episode 9 craziness" if you will?
Season 5 could have plenty of great points in the story to end things.

-For Cersei, they could end it with her imprisonment after Season 5 has focused on her growing paranoia & mental breakdown (and fucking up the matters at King's Landing after his son & father's death). Season 6 could be about her being in prison for at least 2-3 episodes, getting to hear she gets out, then the walk of shame be a big event around the middle of the season with Season 6 ending perhaps with the fight to decide her innocence (or not). And let's not forget the Tyrells ara in King's Landing as well and how the religious faction is gaining power. Those could be BIG storylines for season 5 & 6.

-For Jon/the North, Season 5 can handle Stannis being at the wall (just showing his stuff as well has his interactions with Jon), Jon cementing his stature as the Lord Commander, scheming on saving Mance's child & sending Sam off, his interactions with Melissandre and maybe end the season maybe with them taking the wildlings in (after Season 4 ends with the attack on the wall, that would certainly be a SAY WHAT? decision for a lot of viewers that could keep them interested in the storylines of the North and bring them back for season 6 for a kind of "how in hell will that work?" hook). Then season 6 could continue with settling the wildlings in, Jon starting to meddle with the matters of the kingdom and end with the betrayal and Stannis' attack on Winterfell.

-for Dany, most of Season 5 can easily handle subjects like (as in, at least 1-2 episodes introducing the subject and then bringing them up every now and then in future episodes) dealing with the Sons of the Harpy, the prophet lady, the problems with controlling the dragons, dealing with untrustworthy advisors, dealing with the slavers and just everyday problems of an inexperienced queen running things (and yes, Daario would pop up in an episode or three). It could end with the declaration of the war by the slavers (IIRC, they declare the war before Dany accepts the proposal and that is postponed?). This end point would be very similar to how Robb's story ends in Season 1, with him being declared the King in the North and deciding to go to war with the Lannisters (just the whole KING IN THE NORTH declaration was epic as hell, you don't need all seasons to end up in epic bloodshed & war). Season 6 could have a somewhat bombastic beginning with the wedding maybe in the 2nd or 3rd episode, then Quentyn's death in the next episode and then preparations for the war and then the siege itself could be the end game of Season 6 (I've gotten the impression that the Battle of Meereen won't be too quick an affair, so it will probably happen in the span of 2-3 episodes, at least).

-for Tyrion, the first 2 episodes could focus on how low he has fallen (getting to the other side of the sea and living there for a while, getting drunk and abusing whores), then they could spend 4-5 episodes with Tyrion with Griff & Aegon (getting to know them, revealing their identity, manipulating Aegon, Tyrion almost dying) and then the last few episodes could be spent with him being caught by Jorah and then maybe end with being captured by the slavers. In season 6, he could get to Meereen quite quickly in an episode or two, for the wedding in episode 2 or 3. Then use 2-3 episodes on how he gets to Meereen, escaping the slavers. And then the rest will go with him in Meereen (or what the ever hell happens to him).

-for Theon, season 5 could be spend mostly in Winterfell and then it could perhaps end with either his escape from Winterfell or him getting to Stannis, then season 6 could continue from there.

-Martell's have to be introduced. They have plenty of story in AFFC already. We could at first be shown their mellow side, but then season 5 could end with the meaty introduction of their sinister plans for the Lannisters and introduction of Quentyn & his mission to woo Dany & get her dragons on their side.

-Greyjoys need to be given a somewhat bigger role (they'll at least have a big role in at least Dany's storyline, if ADWD is anything to go by, Martin wouldn't spend this much time with them if it wasn't somehow important).

+ there are the characters who aren't seemingly part of anything bigger atm (Arya, Sansa, Brienne, Sam) who all have their more or less lengthy storylines that will take quite a lot of time from 20 episodes even if only gone through superficially & somewhat quickly (Season 5 for Brienne could easily have the tv series show her every couple of episodes (not every episode) and then end with her being caputred & introduced to Cat, with season 6 perhaps showing a bit more than what the books have told and then her going to get Jaime and then end the season or their time in the seeries with whatever happens to both of them, taking some stuff from TWOW).

And so on and so on. There are fucktons of storylines for all characters and while not all of them have some Red Wedding level checkpoints that could end Season 5 extra dramatically, there are still plenty of dramatic stuff. Stuff like declarations of war/deciding to marry the slaver, Cersei going to prison, Jon making earthshattering decisions etc. could be plenty dramatic enough for the average watchers if they all focused on the 9th & 10th episodes. Not everything needs to have fucktons of bloodshed & war, they just need to be somewhat unexpected and/or shocking.

That is to say, it's not only doable, it's pretty much MANDATORY to use at least all of Season 5 and a lot of Season 6 for AFFC & ADWD for most characters, BUT they'll probably have to end Season 6 with stuff from TWOW for pretty much every character (more for some characters than others). Though some, like Bran, might need stuff from later on than other characters (or they could make up a lot stuff for him, perhaps explaining some of the backstory that the show is sorely missing if some of the hints at, say, Jon's parents are true & meaningful for the story, which the show has had zero mentions of).

Anyone saying otherwise has very poor memory of how much happens to everyone in AFFC & ADWD and how many characters there are altogether and how important certain storylines might be and how the show has handled the story so far (i.e. there are a lot of cuts & edits for POV characters stories, sure, but they do still touch most of the major story points for most of the characters and also add quite a lot of new scenes even for non-POV characters).
 
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They won't be well into books 4 and 5. A few stories will be. Granted, they could decide to cut half the material from both books and give GRRM a heart attack, then finish up the series on their own, but I don't think that's going to happen. In order for there to be a satisfying ending to the Meereen and Winterfell stories, they have to include the battles from TWoW, and covering most of AFfC, ADwD, and a couple hundred pages of TWoW in a season is crazy to me.

I think it's possible if they cut the Iron Isles/Dorne stories, which seems likely. It's not hard to come up with ten episodes worth of material for Tyrion, Arya, Cersei, and Jon; they have strong material that will work on the show. The problem is Dany, who they'd have to heavily restructure to make interesting on television; splitting her ADWD arc into two seasons would be a horrible decision.

Remember, S5 will also feature TWOW material for Bran. They need to quickly get through AFFC/ADWD to catch everyone else up.
 
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