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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Memento Mori

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Ludicrous Speed said:
Where are the writers going with Roose finding out that Rickon and Bran are alive? Through A Dance with Dragons he doesn't have this information, so I wonder if the show has gotten ahead of the books in this aspect (i.e. will Roose find out in The Winds of Winter and dispatch men to Castle Black?)
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I always assumed Roose did know that as it was Ramsay's idea to fake the corpses in the first place.
 
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Ludicrous Speed

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Memento Mori said:
I always assumed Roose did know that as it was Ramsay's idea to fake the corpses in the first place.
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Ahhhh...that's right. So in the books Ramsay at least knows, and we could perhaps assume that he told his father. But up to this point there has been no mention of sending men to look for the boys.
 
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CoolOff

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Jarmel

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hendersonhank said:
You'd have to frame by frame it to notice a gem was missing and certainly there's no way in hell someone just watching the episode for the first time, especially without having read the books -- i.e. being caught up in the story and dialogue and events, with no reason to think someone was going to get murdered or "I have to keep my eye on the necklace" -- would have caught it. And of course the dude played it as "can someone who DVR'd the show see if a gem was missing from the necklace? ...I have a theory."

Extremely transparent imo.
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People are analyzing the show frame by frame. Welcome to the internet.
 
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Frost_Ace

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Great episode, such a step up in writing from last week and great direction too. We'll see if they can top this one with the red viper fight, the battle at the wall and Tyrion's murder of Tywin.
 
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SquiddyCracker said:
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The show is straight forward, be less suspicious brehs.
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He guessed the killer, the method of killing and the involvement of Littlefinger all in one single post based on the events of the first two eps of this season.

The show isn't THAT straight forward.
 
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hendersonhank

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Jarmel said:
People are analyzing the show frame by frame. Welcome to the internet.
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My point is that particular poster was not. He asked someone else to do it for him to "see if I'm right".

When you're watching the show for the first time, you're not analyzing every frame for clues. It's not a murder mystery. This is Joffrey's wedding. No one thought Joffrey was going to die anytime soon, no one thought anything big at all was going to happen in this episode. So you'd just be watching it like a normal person. I doubt anyone you know who hasn't read the books was saying "why is that old lady talking to Sansa so much" while it was happening -- it didn't seem the slightest bit unusual, she and Margaery have been extremely solicitous toward Sansa since the beginning.

And then your sleuthing would presumably be thrown off by the fact that it makes zero logical sense for Olenna to give Dontos a necklace to give to Sansa just so she can steal it back a day later to poison Joffrey with it. And then bringing Littlefinger into it? The dude hasn't even been in this season yet and neither Olenna nor Dontos have any link whatsoever to him.

I think the poster also referred to it as the "Purple Wedding" already.

It's easy for those of us who knew what was going to happen to talk about how "obvious" the show was.

I guaran-fucking-tee not one person who hasn't read the books noticed a gem was missing on Sansa's necklace on first viewing. It's utterly ridiculous.
 
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Calamari41

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It is also worth noting that at least one poster said that the gem's purple color was evidence of it containing liquid that could, I guess, blend in with the wine, when the gems are blue in the show and purple in the book.
 
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Forkball

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I was specifically looking at the necklace, and while I saw Olenna play with it, I didn't notice a missing gem. That guy is BSing. Also one part of why it's called the Purple Wedding is not only because of Joff's face, but because the gem in Sansa's hairnet are purple (it ties in with a previous vision of a "maiden with purple vipers in her hair").

Cersei dismissing Pycelle is kind of strange, since Qyburn takes up Varys' spot and not Pycelle's. I wonder if they will change that.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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hendersonhank said:
You'd have to frame by frame it to notice a gem was missing and certainly there's no way in hell someone just watching the episode for the first time, especially without having read the books -- i.e. being caught up in the story and dialogue and events, with no reason to think someone was going to get murdered or "I have to keep my eye on the necklace" -- would have caught it. And of course the dude played it as "can someone who DVR'd the show see if a gem was missing from the necklace? ...I have a theory."

Extremely transparent imo.
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Half the people in that thread have been rewatching the whole sequence over and over for clues, so it's not surprising to me in the least. Some of the Unsullied can't get Dany's name right, but there's a huge contingent of very close watchers/rewatchers.
 
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Jackson50

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Cpt.Underpants said:
Oberyn reminding Cersei her daughter is at Dorne......Oh shit
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Right. Pedro Pascal has excelled as Oberyn. And I've enjoyed the subtle changes the show has made to the character. It's going to be incredible when he nearly defeats the mountain only to be crushed in his hands.
Boom Boom Pow said:
was it ever explained why Littlefinger wanted to kill JOffrey as well? or at least had a hand in the death?
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The gods only know what game Littlefinger is playing.
 
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Calamari41

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Half the people in that thread have been rewatching the whole sequence over and over for clues, so it's not surprising to me in the least. Some of the Unsullied can't get Dany's name right, but there's a huge contingent of very close watchers/rewatchers.
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The guy in question had the entire scheme down pat on just his initial viewing within an hour of the show airing.
 
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raigeki11

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Memento Mori said:
I always assumed Roose did know that as it was Ramsay's idea to fake the corpses in the first place.
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Was it? I don't remember him out on the hunt with Theon looking for the boys, IIRC Theon came up with the idea to save face with the ironborn and Reek was back at Winterfell

I've always had it in mind that nobody knew except for the Liddle in the mountains and the lord of White Harbor who met with Davos about it
 
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hendersonhank

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Half the people in that thread have been rewatching the whole sequence over and over for clues, so it's not surprising to me in the least. Some of the Unsullied can't get Dany's name right, but there's a huge contingent of very close watchers/rewatchers.
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Well, again, I'm talking about a specific poster who posted right after the show aired and asked someone else who had DVR'd it to see if a gem was missing. He couldn't check himself, having no DVR, but had magically noticed all of those things and put it all together, on just that initial viewing, having had no reason whatsoever to be paying such eagle-eye attention to all those scenes in the first place.
 
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Forkball said:
I was specifically looking at the necklace, and while I saw Olenna play with it, I didn't notice a missing gem. That guy is BSing. Also one part of why it's called the Purple Wedding is not only because of Joff's face, but because the gem in Sansa's hairnet are purple (it ties in with a previous vision of a "maiden with purple vipers in her hair").

Cersei dismissing Pycelle is kind of strange, since Qyburn takes up Varys' spot and not Pycelle's. I wonder if they will change that.
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Didn't their relationship become strained in the books as well?
 
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As always, Twitter fills us with wisdom (mostly AngryGoTFan).

Ross Rattanasena @Rosserator
Joffrey's dying face is now my new background #GameOfThrones


Greg Gerik @ggerik
Both Joffrey and I were choked up by the wedding. #GOT

AngryGoTFan ‏@AngryGoTFan
I WILL BE COUNTING DINNER COURSES TONIGHT BY THE GODS!!!! #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS #GAMEOFTHRONES

AngryGoTFan ‏@AngryGoTFan
JOFFREY MUST BE WEARING A DUSKY ROSE DOUBLET AND DEEP CRIMSON VELVET CLOAK!!!!!!! MUST!!!!!!!!!!! #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS #GAMEOFTHRONES

AngryGoTFan ‏@AngryGoTFan
IF I MAKE IT OUT OF THE WOODS DO I HAVE TO KEEP WATCHING THIS GARBAGE??!!!??! #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS #GAMEOFTHRONES

AngryGoTFan ‏@AngryGoTFan
THANK THE GODS ANOTHER OLENNA TYRELL GARDEN WALKING SCENE WE ALMOST DIDNT HAVE ONE THIS EPISODE #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS #GAMEOFTHRONES

AngryGoTFan ‏@AngryGoTFan
TV #GAMEOFTHRONES HAS AS MUCH SUBTLTY AS BALERION THE BLACK DREAD AT THE FIELD OF FIRE #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS
 
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HeavenlyStriker

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i ain't even fronting. this dude in the unspoiled thread knows way more than what we‘re lead to believe.

demolitio said:
I'm assuming Sansa had no idea what was going on but her necklace was used to smuggle the poison in with Olenna using the drunk guy who gave the necklace to Sansa as the patsy just in case something goes wrong as he's easily expendable and not seen as trustworthy or worth a damn to the rest of King's Landing.. Sansa adds a layer of plausible deniability to the assassination while possibly being beneficial to the responsible party.

Maybe Olenna thought Joffrey was too crazy and didn't want to risk her granddaughter, her family's best asset at the moment, by marrying her to an unpredictable nutjob. You might be able to manipulate him often, but one slip-up is bad news with Joffrey.

She might also use this as a way to secure even more power, possibly marrying Margaery off to Tommen (he seems older now) which would make them seem even more respectable while being with a much more level-headed king.

It's how I see it because I don't think anyone else would pull this off and have Tyrion as the perfect fall-guy like that and Olenna did spend some time with Sansa and their scenes together once again seem like foreshadowing. I just wonder if anyone else is involved.

Oberyn doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would do this as he much rather do it himself in a more violent manner. The only other people I could think of that would do something like this are Varys and Littlefinger and we haven't seen or heard from the latter in quite some time. He did really care for Catelyn and want Sansa to come with him at one point right? And now Sansa is fleeing with the drunkard? Who knows...

To me, Olenna is definitely involved in some way. Her motives just aren't 100% certain.

Fuck. I love this show.
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oh. i‘m sure you know. bud.
also the same dude who revealed tywin will die in one of his earlier posts as a means to open up more plot points.
but "who knows" am i right?
some of these peeps are too clever for their own good. and sad.
 
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Calamari41

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ultron87 said:
Various articles that went up on Entertainment Weekly (and probably elsewhere) the moment the episode ended used this phrase quite liberally.
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A couple of the posters in question were referring to the gems as purple, though, which is a dead giveaway that they are book readers since the gems are blue in the show. I'm reading through it right now. Seriously, that alone is all you need to convict.
 
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CambriaRising

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I don't know. I guess it just irks me because in this thread we have to go as far as posting spoiler warnings and readingrainbow.jpg every 50 pages to protect them, and some guy who might have read a wiki goes there and tries to act all sly to stealthy spoil people.
 
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Dragon

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People complaining about Olenna walking with Tywin are incredible. That was an amazing scene.

Calamari41 said:
A couple of the posters in question were referring to the gems as purple, though, which is a dead giveaway that they are book readers since the gems are blue in the show. I'm reading through it right now. Seriously, that alone is all you need to convict.
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CambriaRising said:
I don't know. I guess it just irks me because in this thread we have to go as far as posting spoiler warnings and readingrainbow.jpg every 50 pages to protect them, and some guy who might have read a wiki goes there and tries to act all sly to stealthy spoil people.
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Let the mods mod. This thread isn't a meta commentary on the other thread last time I checked.
 
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oxidax

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Violater said:
Ohh I envy you, prepare to loose some sleep time.
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LOL! I've been complaining about lack of sleep recently. What the hell am i doing to myself.
I keep finding these "HBO edition" books on amazon. I'm wondering if i should go for the original books or the ones with the new cover with the GoT logo on it. I know that the show is a bit different than the books so thats why i ask. Is there a difference between the old original books and the new ones? do u kno?
 
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Forkball

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HeavenlyStriker said:
i ain't even fronting. this dude in the unspoiled thread knows way more than what we‘re lead to believe.


oh. i‘m sure you know. bud.
also the same dude who revealed tywin will die in one of his earlier posts as a means to open up more plot points.
but "who knows" am i right?
some of these peeps are too clever for their own good. and sad.
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IMMA GONNA GO ON THE INTERNET AND PRETEND I HAVEN'T READ A BOOK. Can't these people play a video game or something?

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CambriaRising

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Dragon said:
Let the mods mod. This thread isn't a meta commentary on the other thread last time I checked.
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I'm not trying to backseat mod of that's what you are suggesting, it's just shitty. Also by virtue of this thread having to exist it is already a meta commentary on the other thread.
 
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calza

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raigeki11 said:
Was it? I don't remember him out on the hunt with Theon looking for the boys, IIRC Theon came up with the idea to save face with the ironborn and Reek was back at Winterfell

I've always had it in mind that nobody knew except for the Liddle in the mountains and the lord of White Harbor who met with Davos about it
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It was reek who comes up with the idea. He shows Theon their clothes.

Ramsay sends men looking across the North in ASoS to look for the boys.
 
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Pluto

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hendersonhank said:
It's easy for those of us who knew what was going to happen to talk about how "obvious" the show was.
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I tend to forget that sometimes, maybe you're right. I just don't get why someone would do that, he's not even obviously spoiling anything because he frames it all as a theory.

oxidax said:
Is this the order that i should read them?
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Yes, but there is a reading order that combines A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons, makes them much more enjoyable].
In case you don't know, those two books take place at the same time for the most part and are divided by characters. Several characters aren't featured in AFFC at all and only return in ADWD.
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

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Joffrey's death scene definitely didn't disappoint. Glad they made it look really painful and agonizing.

raigeki11 said:
Was it? I don't remember him out on the hunt with Theon looking for the boys, IIRC Theon came up with the idea to save face with the ironborn and Reek was back at Winterfell

I've always had it in mind that nobody knew except for the Liddle in the mountains and the lord of White Harbor who met with Davos about it
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Nope, it was Reek's idea. He's the one who brought out the wolf pelts and suggested that Bran and Rickon might have gone to hide at a mill that conveniently had two boys their exact ages.

Conversations in Dance also make it very clear that both Roose and Ramsay know Bran and Rickon are alive. Roose even mentions the possibility of one of them turning up at one point.
 
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Calamari41

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Dragon said:
Let the mods mod. This thread isn't a meta commentary on the other thread last time I checked.
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This whole thread exists because the people in the other thread need to be in the care of a babysitter for the decade that this show will be on the air, so I don't see a problem with some of us working together to try to root out people who are ruining key and surprising plotlines like "who killed Joffrey and why."

I mean, how many pages in the history of these threads have been devoted to discussing/making fun of/thrilling at what people are talking about in the other thread? I would wager that its more than half.

If a mod wants us to stop then believe me, we will be more than happy to stop.
 
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CambriaRising

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oxidax said:
LOL! I've been complaining about lack of sleep recently. What the hell am i doing to myself.
I keep finding these "HBO edition" books on amazon. I'm wondering if i should go for the original books or the ones with the new cover with the GoT logo on it. I know that the show is a bit different than the books so thats why i ask. Is there a difference between the old original books and the new ones? do u kno?
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Not as far as I know, my copies also have the hbo logo.
 
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calza

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Pluto said:
I tend to forget that sometimes, maybe you're right. I just don't get why someone would do that, he's not even obviously spoiling anything because he frames it all as a theory.


Yes, but there is a reading order that combines A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons, makes them much more enjoyable].
In case you don't know, those two books take place at the same time for the most part and are divided by characters. Several characters aren't featured in AFFC at all and only return in ADWD.
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But that order does not work in combination the first time you read it. It completely destroys the arc of
the Dornish characters
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Read the books in the order that they were released. If you want to do anything differently than what Martin intended, do it after you have read them in a re-read.
 
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Moff

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I'm very glad we got bran flashbacks.
the only question is, was the dragon in the past or in the future?

anyway, I'm glad bran can see the past, this at least opens up the possibitly for some background on all kinds of things, historical targaryen stuff, roberts rebellion, and of course rhaegar&lyanna
 
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