Totallyv agree. I saw his posts and knew he read the books or spoilers.
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Rentahamster
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If you don't realize just how rude and inconsiderate those actions are, it's best that you just refrain from them regardless. None of them want those kinds of shenanigans in their thread.
I think it was Little Finger's way of manipulating Sansa and getting her to run away with him to the Vale rather than face trial.
Wait, the Cat thing too? I admit that is supicious, thinking Littlefinger is involved somehow doesn't suprise me, he is portrayed as a mustache twirling comic book villain after all, but bringing up Cat is awfully specific.
Ludicrous Speed
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Was it never mentioned in the show that he loved Cat? It must have been. Ned disliked him in the show, so they must have touched on it
Exterminieren
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Olenna didn't give Sansa the necklace in the first place. It was Littlefinger's doing through Ser Dontos. The two certainly collaborated, and this arrangement enabled Ser Dontos to get Sansa's confidence and bring her to Littlefinger while ensuring that suspicion would be firmly drawn away from Olenna.
With the situation in King's Landing, getting the poison to Olenna herself without it being seen was nigh impossible. Ser Dontos giving it to Sansa in the Godswood is far easier.
General_Frags
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Yeah its mentioned in Season 1, i think Ned says that Brandon left a mark on Littlefinger, and Littlefinger says he wears it with pride.
Also I just finished the episode, pretty darn good despite some of the cuts from the book wedding.
Whens Tommen's wedding supposed to take place this season? I assume it is episode 5 "First of His Name" but I could be wrong.
Moff
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I dont agree, I think the show has made very clear that Olenna cares a lot about what kind of a person Joffrey is, remember then she questioned Sansa about him? Where she called him a monster? It was even in the recap.
Olenna doesnt want her daughter to be in the hands of a monster, its much too dangerous. and I think the show made that quite clear.
peanutbutterlatte
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Since Tommen seems to have aged about 7 years... here's hoping to a "Margery appealing to the nature of a teenage boy" scene.
Agree. I watched that season of the show before reading the books (now all finished), and it seemed like that family was up to something.
Exterminieren
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Tommen's wedding shouldn't happen until Tywin's dead. Cersei needs to be completely independent and paranoid for the storyline to work properly.
I assume First Of His Name will be Tommen's coronation.
If LF could pass the stuff to Ser Dontos, couldn't he have easily passed it to someone under Olenna or Olenna herself? Then Olenna could just slip it in her pocket or something instead of having to nip it off Sansa's necklace which was probably rather suspicious behaviour to anyone who noticed.
It's not like Sansa is to become a suspect because people noticed her necklace. Tirion and her would have been the prime suspects anyway.
Yeah, guessing a plot point here or there is possible but some of those guys are a bit too accurate. The same guy is also "predicting" Tywin will die soon. Very suspect.
Red Arremer
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C'mon guys, give the Unsullied a bit of credit. Olenna was so blatantly shown in so many scenes, and her dialogue was also totally not subtle. She walked up to Sansa, ran her hands all over her and said stuff about deaths at weddings. Plus the scene with Dontos giving her the necklace last episode (after a scene in which Olenna talks with Margaery about necklaces), and pulling her away, as well.
It doesn't take Sherlock to piece all that together.
It doesn't take Sherlock to piece all that together.
Kadayi
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I'm not to sure it was about him being a monster and more about how malleable he would of been. Joffery had demonstrated on a number of occasions that he is hard to manage and its only really his grandfather who has any real control over him. From QofT perspective Tommlen whose pretty even natured is the better choice and much more likely to be manipulated to House Tyrells advantage.
Scapegoating Tyrion is benefitial because it not only removes the smartest of the Lannisters from the court (bar Tywin) but it potentially frees up Sansa as a political marriage again.
Exterminieren
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Ser Dontos was a wretched, drunken fool. The Tyrells and their people would never have been left alone in King's Landing for enough time for Littlefinger to safely hand the necklace over, but no one gave the remotest shit about how Ser Dontos was spending his time.
Yep.
peanutbutterlatte
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To me, along with Joffrey's theatrics and Cersei's bragging, it all contributed to the massive eating of
"HAHA RAINS OF CASTAME- oh he's dead."
I think there was some chance for redemption last series, with the "Because you're my son" scene. But then by the wedding he's found out about Shae (and I would assume, has Shae's ship diverted into the Tower of the Hand for some serious banging), he couldn't give a shit.
peanutbutterlatte
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Let's face it, Jaime's hardly throwing himself down to stick up for Tyrion, regardless of how silly and pointless that would be. He's in love with the woman who's fully attempting to get Tyrion's head on a platter, don't think he'll mind getting sword lessons from someone who betrayed him.
But yeah, it's pretty clear Bron didn't see Shae sail off into the distance. A little sad really, since the show puts so much emphasis on their relationship.
I think she got off that Damn ship herself to try and get back at Tyrion.
That was a good episode. Covered lots of juicy material. Not surprising that GRRM wrote the episode himself. He always seems to save really good stuff for himself, lol. Joffery went out like a little bitch, which was pretty much perfect. I'm glad the actor is now free of being a celebrity and can now focus on philosophy and theology. It'll be hilarious some day in the future when he's teaching a class and some smart ass student starts playing the death scene on his phone!
thequickandthedead
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Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Penny supposed to be one of the dwarves at the wedding? I don't recall seeing a female dwarf in the latest episode.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Was Penny even cast? I wouldn't be surprised if she was cut from the story for the show.
Kadayi
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Let's just wait to see how things play out before jumping to conclusions.As regards Bron in as the replacement in truth given the circumstances I think its a good fit.It opens up the opportunity for a lot more dialogue.
Kadayi
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I don't think she's integral thus why they didn't bother.
NekoFever
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Or when he's lecturing on morality and a student asks about the time he pinned a hooker to the bedpost with a crossbow.
PhoenixDark
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Ageed on the Lost point. People are figuring it out, and even those who are wrong have made good arguments. I can also buy people wondering about Littlefinger.
hendersonhank
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You'd have to frame by frame it to notice a gem was missing and certainly there's no way in hell someone just watching the episode for the first time, especially without having read the books -- i.e. being caught up in the story and dialogue and events, with no reason to think someone was going to get murdered or "I have to keep my eye on the necklace" -- would have caught it. And of course the dude played it as "can someone who DVR'd the show see if a gem was missing from the necklace? ...I have a theory."
Extremely transparent imo.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
The necklace itself might be a bit surprising for people to pick up on, but Olenna's involvement isn't. Just the way the camera focused on her right as she handed the deathcup to Tyrion, and the way she was being all weird and handsy on Sansa can make people think shes was doing SOMETHING involving Sansa's attire.
Also, the preview for next week shows a brief bit where it basically looks like Margaery confronting her about the murder.
peanutbutterlatte
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Also not to mention she's been particularly cagey about Joffrey.
It's not particularly necessary for her to be there, she could be up to two seasons away if they want to have her. But all they could say is her brother was one of the dwarves at the wedding and/or that her brother was killed because someone thought he was Tyrion.
You can still have the same reasoning for her hating Tyrion and she could still do circus tricks to survive and even still have her pig.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Poor Gleeson, this is going to follow him forever and by all accounts he is just the sweetest guy in the world. What a fantastic job he did with Joffrey, though, to elicit the reaction he did.
I'm still not convinced the guy's a book reader, after the death it's easy to suspect Olenna is somehow involved and Dontos getting Sansa out of there makes it pretty obvious he's involved too. As soon as someone suspects Dontos it's really easy to remember the necklace he gave Sansa.
Maybe he read the books but looking at the episode I believe it is possible to connect Olenna, Dontos and the necklace. As several people have said, the show wasn't subtle about it at all.
bodyofanamerican
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I thought it was interesting that they brought back the snowy/ashen throne room and the broken Red Keep in Bran's vision, previously seen in the House of the Undying. I guess King's Landing is gonna burn one way or another.
The wildfire-caches are still out there right?
I'm certain that's what it was, and also why we saw Loras angrily getting up to leave during all of that.
Naa I think it was better in the books, with Ilyn just silently mocking Jamie in the night while he delivered the pain.
womp womp
Jag
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Ok, so Olenna handed the cup to Tyrion. I didn't remember seeing that. I'll have to rewatch. I still don't get why she would give the necklace to Sansa then poison Joffrey herself unless it was to make sure Littlefinger had some skin in the game.
Ludicrous Speed
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Where are the writers going with Roose finding out that Rickon and Bran are alive? Through A Dance with Dragons he doesn't have this information, so I wonder if the show has gotten ahead of the books in this aspect (i.e. will Roose find out in The Winds of Winter and dispatch men to Castle Black?)
I'm also curious how they'll kill off Locke now as well. He (or Vargo Hoat actually) was dead by this point in the book wasn't he? He certainly wasn't on his way to Castle Black.
I'm also curious how they'll kill off Locke now as well. He (or Vargo Hoat actually) was dead by this point in the book wasn't he? He certainly wasn't on his way to Castle Black.
Where was the supposed Coldhands sighting in Bran's vision? The ravens? That was already shown last season.
The episode was amazing, and I felt like the wedding was more intense if you knew what was coming. I was counting every second until it happened. I saw Olenna fiddle with the necklace, but I didn't see any missing stone.
+THE WEDDING. Everything was perfect. Hilarious yet intense and still shocking. Say what you want about the show, but there hasn't been a single big moment that they haven't nailed. Very deliberate trolls on show-only watchers with all the cutaways and suspects.
+Loras and Oberyn were killing it. Season 4 is the season of zingers.
+The dinner scene with Stannis and Co. was bizarre and fascinating. The image of Stannis shooting down seagulls is going to stay with me a while. I also loved Mel's feigned interest while eating (it's so weird to see her eat). I know people think Show Stannis is a simp, but they are very clearly trying to mold him into a more independent and headstrong figure who doesn't care about the whole Lord of Light nonsense.
-So Ramsay has an evil girlfriend? Just ew. They will probably have him turn on her later in the season, but it just feels so comic booky. The scene where he tells Theon that Robb is dead was great though.
-Dontos feels so shoe-horned in. They should have had a few scenes with him since season two and season 3. I felt like his death was pretty surprising in the books, but it won't have any impact.
-THEY CUT OUT THE "WELL NOW THERE ARE THREE" LINE WHY GRRM WHY
The episode was amazing, and I felt like the wedding was more intense if you knew what was coming. I was counting every second until it happened. I saw Olenna fiddle with the necklace, but I didn't see any missing stone.
+THE WEDDING. Everything was perfect. Hilarious yet intense and still shocking. Say what you want about the show, but there hasn't been a single big moment that they haven't nailed. Very deliberate trolls on show-only watchers with all the cutaways and suspects.
+Loras and Oberyn were killing it. Season 4 is the season of zingers.
+The dinner scene with Stannis and Co. was bizarre and fascinating. The image of Stannis shooting down seagulls is going to stay with me a while. I also loved Mel's feigned interest while eating (it's so weird to see her eat). I know people think Show Stannis is a simp, but they are very clearly trying to mold him into a more independent and headstrong figure who doesn't care about the whole Lord of Light nonsense.
-So Ramsay has an evil girlfriend? Just ew. They will probably have him turn on her later in the season, but it just feels so comic booky. The scene where he tells Theon that Robb is dead was great though.
-Dontos feels so shoe-horned in. They should have had a few scenes with him since season two and season 3. I felt like his death was pretty surprising in the books, but it won't have any impact.
-THEY CUT OUT THE "WELL NOW THERE ARE THREE" LINE WHY GRRM WHY
bodyofanamerican
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Yep, AFAIK. Did they ever say if all of Aerys's wildfire was collected?
harriet the spy
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same here. Suspecting Olenna is one thing, but the gem stuff is bullshit, esp. given that it was a few hours after the show aired. Guy's a book reader.
Wasn't there, like, a zombie-ish hand shown?
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