I noticed last night that the top four billed actors are Lannisters.
As far as Tyrion, I think GRRM intentionally make him less likable and humiliated in aDwD. He spends a whole chapter puking, spends more time as a slave to a really disgusting man. I think he's still likable, but I think the glow is intentionally gone.
Man, rewatching the dwarf act... none of the noble recurring characters are amused except for Joffrey, who pisses himself, as well as Tommen and Cersei.
Tywin sorta pretends to smirk in like one scene, but he is as serious as the Tyrells, Sansa, Tyrion, etc.
Man, rewatching the dwarf act... none of the noble recurring characters are amused except for Joffrey, who pisses himself, as well as Tommen and Cersei.
Tywin sorta pretends to smirk in like one scene, but he is as serious as the Tyrells, Sansa, Tyrion, etc.
Forgot that was in this book. But I was also mainly going for screentime (and assuming Oberyn is going to get a lot). Lysa, the Mountain and Dontos aren't big enough, IMHO, to be a big deal.
That episode was pretty much perfect, damn. Joffrey went out in a blaze of dickish glory. And if you knew what was coming, seeing everything get put into place for Tyrion to get framed like that is just saddening, but so well thought out.
Also really cool to have GRRM writing an episode again, some great dialogue. "The dwarf, the cripple, and the mother of madness."
Considering they've already explicitly introduced a gold chain that Tyrion gave to Shae, I simply cannot see them sidestepping Tyrion killing her. To say otherwise is alarmist- they've never changed a pivotal book event that fundamentally.
People in the no book thread are already getting frustrated with Kelly C's lack of progress. Unless HBO makes some big changes to her story it's only going to get worse.
And I still hate all of the changes they've done with Shae.
Precisely. If you re-read the chapter, the whole thing has a feverish, almost hellish tone going on. The guy has been shat on his whole life, has just been in a cell for however long, and now the worst of it all is happening right in front of him. I can't blame the guy for snapping.
Man, I felt much more sadistic happiness during this episode with Joffrey and Cersei's suffering than when I read it. The actor who plays Joffrey is so great at being a douche.
Tywin doesn't seem like the type to freak out in public. He probably doesn't want to show any weakness like that. Also Joffrey dying is, in some ways, benenficial for him. Joffrey's war of the five kings show was recieved pretty awkwardly by all the characters who have any sort of power. He could have gone on to cause a lot of embarassment for the family. Tommen is far more manageable.
Oh and Lena Heady is getting better at her role. She did seem to have fun during the episode, unlike most of her screen time when she seemed to have something stuck in her nostrils.
I noticed last night that the top four billed actors are Lannisters.
As far as Tyrion, I think GRRM intentionally make him less likable and humiliated in aDwD. He spends a whole chapter puking, spends more time as a slave to a really disgusting man. I think he's still likable, but I think the glow is intentionally gone.
Well he just killed his father and lover. I've never understood why some people praise the books for featuring multi faceted characters yet shit on Tyrion for being "ugly" in ADWD. How else do you expect someone to react under the same circumstances. Many people seemingly expected Tyrion to act like some super hero comic character who bounces from arc to arc with no emotional change; he was not going to be funny/sarcastic Tyrion in ADWD, not in this series.
Tyrion is disgusting at the start, and suicidal. One of the great things about Penny is that her naive views on life reminds Tyrion why life is worth living. He constantly explodes at her, making grand arguments about life or self worth - and eventually it becomes clear he is trying to convince himself of these truths as well. I thought it was some great character development, and
Oh and Lena Heady is getting better at her role. She did seem to have fun during the episode, unlike most of her screen time when she seemed to have something stuck in her nostrils.
Joffrey dying is the tipping point for Cersei really starting to lose her grip on her sanity. Heady is going to have a lot more to work with in the coming episodes and I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
The scene will be a huge shock though as we learn why the events through seasons 1-4 have really happened. Sure they might have been rolling that way but we find out who lit the fuse.
The scene will be a huge shock though as we learn why the events through seasons 1-4 have really happened. Sure they might have been rolling that way but we find out who lit the fuse.
Seems like the non book readers don't like Dany all that much, is the show failing her. I loved Dany, ASOS was her best moments, it wasn't until Dance shit all over her storyline that she became super annoying. If they hate her now, the next season will drive them insane.
Seems like the non book readers don't like Dany all that much, is the show failing her. I loved Dany, ASOS was her best moments, it wasn't until Dance shit all over her storyline that she became super annoying. If they hate her now, the next season will drive them insane.
No, that happened. It's just that the general consensus is that he'll get resurrected through some combination of Wargitude and Melisandre magic shenanigans.
If he is actually dead George is a horrible author.
No, that happened. It's just that the general consensus is that he'll get resurrected through some combination of Wargitude and Melisandre magic shenanigans.
If he is actually dead George is a horrible author.
I get what you're trying to do, and I can appreciate it to an extent.. but this just seems too extreme. We can't even quote text from another thread now? Is this going to happen for every show/movie that's based on a book?
Seems like the non book readers don't like Dany all that much, is the show failing her. I loved Dany, ASOS was her best moments, it wasn't until Dance shit all over her storyline that she became super annoying. If they hate her now, the next season will drive them insane.
If they don't want to repeat the fiasco of season 2 they have two options:
- Cut a LOT of content from ADWD and end the season with her rivers of blood and Drogon wrecking shit up
- Not show her a lot and focus on Quentyn and Barristan. Or even the duo Tyrion-Jorah, which I found hilarious for some reason (the bear and the dwarf, man, what's not to like?) and some of the absolutely best moments in the series for me
Like, seriously, when reading Dany's chapters in Dance I didn't have a clue of what was happening most of the time with all those strange names that sounded the same and her never ending monologue love letters to fucking Daario and his blue beard.
By the way, why did Olenna want Joffrey dead? Was it all part of an elaborate plan to put Tyrell's in power, or was it more something she went along with because she didn't want her grand daughter to be abused by a psychopathic little shit?
By the way, why did Olenna want Joffrey dead? Was it all part of an elaborate plan to put Tyrell's in power, or was it more something she went along with because she didn't want her grand daughter to be abused by a psychopathic little shit?
Via the Wiki: While revealing his own part in planning Joffrey's death, Littlefinger implies to Sansa Stark that Olenna is the one who poisoned the king, with some help from himself and the people he used, especially Dontos. He refers to Lady Olenna straightening Sansa's hair net, implying that this was the moment the old woman took the black stones (actually a crystallized form of the strangler), which she used to poison Joffrey. Littlefinger suggests that Olenna killed Joffrey to spare her granddaughter Margaery from the same cruelty the boy showed Sansa and to prevent her hot-tempered grandson Loras from becoming a kingslayer in case he, while serving in the Kingsguard, had to witness the king mistreating his sister. Littlefinger also shares how he planted disturbing rumors about Joffrey's character while he was at Highgarden, prompting Lady Olenna's questioning Sansa when they first met. According to Littefinger, Olenna knew Mace dreamed of his daughter Margaery becoming queen and for that they needed a king, but they did not need Joffrey, as Margaery could also marry his brother Tommen.
Melisandre sees Jon in the fire as a man, then wolf, then man again. Everytime she looks for Azor Ahai she sees Jon in the fires. He's going to either be revived or healed, but will spend some time in Ghost (ironic name huh) for awhile. He didn't feel the final knife because he warged.
Well, to be fair, I think that IS one of the early mysteries of the books. At this point, we pretty much know that Rhygar was a good guy, but our first descriptions of him are all from the point of view of Ned and Robert. I think that's a question you're supposed to ask... as we find out more about Rhygar and slowly start to suspect that maybe Lyanna wasn't kidnapped after all, our view of him changes. That's what this non-book reader is now going through too.
Also, when I was first reading the books, this image of him always popped into my mind:
So help me map this season out and where the show is headed next year.
Next week from the previews (going to spoiler tag preview spoilers)
it looks like we get crypt fuck, which should be interesting. Sam seems to be leaving the wall already but Aemon is staying behind. So that changes a ton, some speculate Aemon will fill in the sam role of nominating Jon.Seems to me they are moving the votes drama before the war which is fine as you dont want that stuff after such a huge battle, you want the battle to be the big moment.
I still hate that they will probably combine the two battles into one.
Kings Landing will mostly play out the same but they have 5 episodes to kill before the big fight, so that's a long time for the trial. We have the whole Cersei and Loras subplot that was not in the books, who knows what happens there. Jaime has little to do this season so I guess he gets something to do.
Bran is almost done with his entire story. In his vision I think we see coldhands. I assume this season he will make his way to the tree and possibly reach it and conclude his entire book 5 arch.
Stannis I have heard is going off on a totally different tangent so who knows what they will add before he reaches the wall. Bolton is doing his book 5 stuff and they are having Asha go rescue Theon so that is completely different, who knows how that will play out but potentially they will conclude their book 5 story too.
Dany story will play out mostly the same I assume, maybe we get to the dragons eating people part in this one. Arya is going to have some added Hound scenes so they will probably kill time before she takes off to bravos. I assume Sansas story will follow the same path and end at the right moment.
So we have Jon, Tyrion,Cersei, Arya, Sansa, Stannis and Dany being in the correct spot at the end of this season. We have Sam, Theon, and Bran practically finishing their book 4 and 5 stories.
I think next season they probably introduce a near new cast and do all the new character stuff from book 4 while doing the main character stuff from Dragons. I think they maybe caught up by next year.
By the way, why did Olenna want Joffrey dead? Was it all part of an elaborate plan to put Tyrell's in power, or was it more something she went along with because she didn't want her grand daughter to be abused by a psychopathic little shit?
By the way, why did Olenna want Joffrey dead? Was it all part of an elaborate plan to put Tyrell's in power, or was it more something she went along with because she didn't want her grand daughter to be abused by a psychopathic little shit?
The second. They just needed Margaery to marry any king, it didn't matter which one, and Tommen was younger and easier to control. Plus everyone says he and Myrcella are nice kids.
Jon is the Lord of Light he cant be all dead yet.
Stannis on the other hand... I expect his head to be carried into Castle Black on the end of a pike next book. Then again someone did argue with me once that Stannis's battle represent a real battle from the time of the Lancasters in which Stannis's represented army wins so who knows.... I still expect Stannis to die next book.
