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[Basileus777]

You're the one who's not making any sense, hence my lol. A passion is a passion - it doesn't matter if it's painting, fixing cars, bringing your favorite fantasy series to life on the screen, writing music, cooking. You can't discount someone's passion just because you don't think it's worthy or whatever. How ridiculous.

I didn't say it wasn't worthy. But to expect someone to devote their entire life to a fiction series is silly and unreasonable. I'm not sure why you are casting judgment on the show runners for wanting to do something else. That's why I called you a zealot.

 

[biosnake20]

I'd love to see D&D have an interview with a crazed book purist like Linda Antonsson. It would be a disaster, an extremely entertaining disaster.

 

[kirblar]

Season 7 Part A (6-9 Episodes)

Season 7 Part B (6-9 Episodes)

This is what I think the plan actually is- do all the filming at once, but have it either be extended or two parts.

 

[Fuzzy]

I'd love to see D&D have a interview with a crazed book purist like Linda Antonsson. It would be a disaster, an extremely entertaining disaster.

Holy shit I would love that.

 

[biosnake20]

This is what I think the plan actually is- do all the filming at once, but have it either be extended or two parts.

I doubt they would film it all together. They'll do it like Breaking Bad was done, treating the two parts as different seasons.

 

[kirblar]

I doubt they would film it all together. They'll do it like Breaking Bad was done, treating the two parts as different seasons.

Logistically they'd need to do it in one giant session.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I didn't say it wasn't worthy.

That's exactly what you did by brushing it off as "just some fantasy series".

But to expect someone to devote their entire life to a fiction series is silly and unreasonable. I'm not sure why you are casting judgment on the show runners for wanting to do something else. That's why I called you a zealot.

They're the ones who decided to adapt these books into a TV series - if they didn't have the moxy to go all the way then they shouldn't have undertaken the project.

 

[Basileus777]

That's exactly what you did by brushing it off as "just some fantasy series".



They're the ones who decided to adapt these books into a TV series - if they didn't have the moxy to go all the way then they shouldn't have undertaken the project.

That's your misinterpretation of my post. If you lack the empathy to see why D&D might not want to do this forever, then there's nothing else to be said here.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

That's your misinterpretation of my post.

If you say so.

If you lack the empathy to see why D&D might not want to do this forever, then there's nothing else to be said here.

If they're so eager to drop this massive project that they started (out of a strong desire and passion), then instead of just half assing their way through the rest of the adaptation, they should pass it off to someone else.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

They'll go to a season eight, max if they really need it or HBO really wants it.

 

[Basileus777]

They'll go to a season eight, max if they really need it or HBO really wants it.

I doubt a season 8 is in the cards after these contract extensions.

 

[Jigorath]

They're probably also sick of book purists. It's already made them stop reading feedback for the show.

I don't mind changes from the book since they have to adapt for a different medium. It only bothers me when they completely ruin a character. Which is basically what they've done with Stannis.

 

[Gnome]

Seven seasons and a movie.

 

[higgsboson1997]

I think all of that happened because of shitty writing, not them showing her going crazy.

Nope, you could clearly see dictatorial imagery in Oathkeeper, when she looked down at Meereen underneath the Targ banner. Also, there was many instances in the show where her decisions were questioned- it's clear that all of it was intentional.

 

[Moff]

I dont think they are rushing it.

even if TWOW and ADOS were as big as AFFC/ADWD, there would still be a lot of bad content they had to cut out. but these books arent even out, yet.
and even if we assume that the plot of TWOW is finished and known to D&D, I doubt GRRM knows more about ADOS than the content that would fit easily in a 10 Episode season. you can bet there will be a lot of D&D original content in seasons 6 and 7.

they are not rushing it. if anyone is to blame then it's GRRM, who in 2004, when they probably had the first talks about the tv show, surely thought he would be finished with ASOIAF by 2018.
his slow writing has put everyone in an uncomfortable position. he himself has to watch his own life work finished by somone else early for a bigger audience he reaches with his own books.
And D&D have to make up tons of stuff by themselves which they might not be as comfortable with as some might believe, but yeah, they have to finish it, now. they are not rushing, they have no other choice.

 

[WaffleTaco]

The only part that I don't like is when they mess up a character arc, basically Jamie's, and Tyrion/Jamie's relationship. The latter is understandable because it relies largely on Tysha who they decided is not important. Jamie's arc can work if they do season five properly.

The only thing I am considered with timeline wise is when it comes to TWoW and DoS, stories. Honestly though they are going to cut a lot from those books.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Logistically they'd need to do it in one giant session.

Logistically they actually can't. Takes them the full year for the 10 episodes, there's no way they could do ab 8 and 8 or something like that in a single production block (unless David & Dan wanted to be less involved in everything, which I don't think there's any indication that they want to run the show like that).

 

[Basileus777]

Logistically they actually can't. Takes them the full year for the 10 episodes, there's no way they could do ab 8 and 8 or something like that in a single production block (unless David & Dan wanted to be less involved in everything, which I don't think there's any indication that they want to run the show like that).

It's why I don't see the show getting more than 30 more episodes. The showrunners have spoken at length about how the 10 episode season is a result of their own limitations.

 

[Zerokku]

Did some googling but haven't seen anything -

Do we know what the Best Buy special edition slipcover(s) will be for Season 4? Are they even doing one for S4?

 

[Steelyuhas]

Did some googling but haven't seen anything -

Do we know what the Best Buy special edition slipcover(s) will be for Season 4? Are they even doing one for S4?

Nothing announced yet that I'm aware of.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I've long believed there will be 8 seasons. Whether that means S7 is split in two, or S8 stands on its own...I'm pretty confident on that.

Ultimately I think Martin brought this on himself, as others have said. I wouldn't even point to 2004, when he was embroiled in the Meereenese Knot and other things. I would point to 2011, after ADWD came out. Martin accepted multiple projects at the time in a gust of confidence, and those projects sucked up his time in late 2011 and most of 2012. That was a period in which he could have taken a break and then jumped into TWOW. In hindsight his decision making just looks very poor.

I get that he's excited about being the toast of the town and loves writing various side books that become hits, but now we're on the precipice of disaster. I still think TWOW will be out next year but the dangerous thing is that any complication or delay would probably push it out of that year...and thus lead to the show completely lapping the books. TWOW pretty much has to come out next year - and be great enough to justify being focused on for a season and a half or so.

 

[Brakke]

I'm with Basileus777.

That's exactly what you did by brushing it off as "just some fantasy series".

They're the ones who decided to adapt these books into a TV series - if they didn't have the moxy to go all the way then they shouldn't have undertaken the project.

1) It is "just some fantasy series", of course it is. But that doesn't mean it's not important to them, it maybe more means it's 7-years important to them, not an-entire-career important to them.

It's just a fantasy series for GRR. He puts it down and walks away and loses the fire and gets it back all the time. But he has the luxury of working in books where he isn't punished by actors aging out of roles or sets collapsing from lack of maintenance or viewers losing interesting if there isn't a new season every year if he decides to take a break from ASOIAF.

Total and Unwavering Passionate Commitment to working on one thing nonstop in perpetuity is a pretty unreasonable standard. GRR doesn't have it. Plus, GRR doesn't have to check his passion against a budget. Even if D&D wanted to include every single book character and do ten twenty episode seasons, they couldn't possibly.

2) I think it's a misreading to say they aren't "going all the way" with it. Presumably they believe that going seven seasons *is* going all the way with it. Seven seasons *is* the project they undertook. Seems like you have a different idea of what the project is than they do.

The series never could have possibly been a manga -> anime style "adaptation", spinning wheels on filler episodes for years while waiting for the "canon" to progress. Given GRR, the only way to do a page-perfect adaptation would have meant this project doesn't start until 2020 or whenever the hell the last book comes out. And even at that point, there would have to be cuts and interpretations to make the story make sense on the screen.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I dont think they are rushing it.

One season for a combined AFFC/ADWD is definitely rushing it. There's easily enough compelling material there to fill two seasons to the brim.

even if TWOW and ADOS were as big as AFFC/ADWD, there would still be a lot of bad content they had to cut out. but these books arent even out, yet.

What in the world???

they are not rushing it.

One season for TWOW and one season for ADOS, both of which will surely be as eventful and large as ASOS (which got two seasons) is rushing it.

They will eventually have to finish the show before GRRM finishes the books, which isn't their fault, but they're unnecessarily speeding up that process by rushing through the material as quickly as they can.

 

[Real Hero]

Seven seasons is definitely rushing the book material but they are obviously forging thier own path to (maybe?) the same ending. The writing and pacing of these last seasons will decide if it feels rushed not the amount of content in the books.

 

[Iksenpets]

One season for TWOW and one season for ADOS, both of which will surely be as eventful and large as ASOS (which got two seasons) is rushing it.

They will eventually have to finish the show before GRRM finishes the books, which isn't their fault, but they're unnecessarily speeding up that process by rushing through the material as quickly as they can.

Even if the next books are huge, big chunks of it could be made irrelevant by changes they're making now. Like, Winds is going to have 4+ chapters of Arianne traveling to and meeting with Aegon and Connington, when none of those characters exist on the show. Who knows how many other plots are going to have issues like that.

 

[Moff]

One season for a combined AFFC/ADWD is definitely rushing it. There's easily enough compelling material there to fill two seasons to the brim.



What in the world???



One season for TWOW and one season for ADOS, both of which will surely be as eventful and large as ASOS (which got two seasons) is rushing it.

They will eventually have to finish the show before GRRM finishes the books, which isn't their fault, but they're unnecessarily speeding up that process by rushing through the material as quickly as they can.

its not as quickly as they can. AFFC and ADWD were mediocre to bad books and would have made terrible tv. cutting half of them and turn them into one season was the only way to adapt them. many saw that coming, me included.

and about "rushing" TWOW and ADOS both you and me are speculating about the eventfulness and/or quality of TWOW, it might be another ASOS or another AFFC, but its fairly certain to say that for ADOS, there is next to no plot ready and known do more than one season. so they are not rushing, they are simply dealing with the unfinished material.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Even if the next books are huge, big chunks of it could be made irrelevant by changes they're making now. Like, Winds is going to have 4+ chapters of Arianne traveling to and meeting with Aegon and Connington, when none of those characters exist on the show. Who knows how many other plots are going to have issues like that.

Exactly - because they're rushing through AFFC/ADWD they'll be forced to rush through TWOW/ADOS.

It makes sense to cut material for an adaptation, but it's dumb they they're only just now cutting out significant portions of the books when they really should have been doing that all along.

AFFC and ADWD were mediocre to bad books and would have made terrible tv. cutting half of them and turn them into one season was the only way to adapt them.

Disagree on all points.

 

[Buckethead]

I still haven't bought S3 or S4 on Blu-Ray.

I'm kinda hoping they'll have another Amazon flash sale around Christmas so I can snag it cheap like because I'm a frugal bastard.

Any deals looming?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I still haven't bought S3 or S4 on Blu-Ray.

I'm kinda hoping they'll have another Amazon flash sale around Christmas so I can snag it cheap like because I'm a frugal bastard.

Any deals looming?

I'd say it's very likely that there will another GoT DVD/Blu sale later this month. W8 for blk friday m8

 

[Yoda]

I don't think split seasons is a thing given how long it takes them to film 10 episodes. Chances are from this season forward it's essentially going to be a different story while still managing to touch on the "broard strokes" of what GRRM has planned. Sad, but GRRM put himself in this position.

 

[gutshot]

This was supposedly tweeted and then soon deleted by the actor who plays Walder Rivers.

EDIT: Fake.

Is it happening?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Don't tease me

 

[Slightly Live]

This was supposedly tweeted and then soon deleted by the actor who plays Walder Rivers.

Is it happening?

Maybe she just happened to be in town because of... an exotic shoot for Resurrection season three....?

lol

 

[Kain]

Makes sense as the cliffhanger of the season.

 

[gutshot]

Nevermind. It's a shop. Kind of a sloppy one too, once you start comparing the screenshot to his actual Twitter account. Can't believe I fell for it for a bit there. I've been out of the game too long.

 

[Kain]

Nevermind. It's a shop. Kind of a sloppy one too, once you start comparing the screenshot to his actual Twitter account. Can't believe I fell for it for a bit there. I've been out of the game too long.

Aaaaaaaw

 

[Moff]

Never stop believing

 

[Euron]

Guys it's going to happen, just believe. Please be excited. Get hype.


Every episode is going to be a madhouse here next season as we wait for Stoneheart and Balon's death while seeing TWOW Spoilers at the same time.

 

[Basileus777]

No one should be waiting for Stoneheart. We've heard enough to know it's a false hope.

 

[Dysun]

It's dead Jim, accept the fanfic pseudo ending

 

[Showaddy]

Yeah you would have thought that if Arianne Martell's deemed surplus to requirements Stoneheart must be cast iron extinct.

 

[Corpsepyre]

Sooooo....I guess Stoneheart is in season 5 then.

 

[Iksenpets]

Exactly - because they're rushing through AFFC/ADWD they'll be forced to rush through TWOW/ADOS.

It makes sense to cut material for an adaptation, but it's dumb they they're only just now cutting out significant portions of the books when they really should have been doing that all along.



Disagree on all points.

There's a different between cutting and rushing. They rushed Sansa when they basically condensed the entirety of her book 4 plot into a single scene, and even there I would hesitate to call it rushing, just because that has such a negative connotation. Omitting the Greyjoy plot isn't rushing, it's just dealing with the limited bandwidth they have for simultaneous plots in a 10-episode season. It doesn't change the pacing of the other plots. If anything, it preserves their pacing, since they're able to dedicate adequate time to the remaining plots, instead of having to rush through them in a lower number of shorter scenes to make room for the minutes they would be dedicating to Greyjoys.

As for Stoneheart, I still think it's a shame that was cut, but I also think it would probably be even worse to bring her in this late. They had to at the very least foreshadow the resurrection in season 4 if they wanted to do it. References to Brotherhood attacks on Freys, a woman with the Brotherhood, something. Just mentioning that her body was dumped in the river doesn't count. Doing it season 5 without having done any of that setup would make the twist feel cheap and unearned.

 

[3rdman]

There's a different between cutting and rushing. They rushed Sansa when they basically condensed the entirety of her book 4 plot into a single scene, and even there I would hesitate to call it rushing, just because that has such a negative connotation. Omitting the Greyjoy plot isn't rushing, it's just dealing with the limited bandwidth they have for simultaneous plots in a 10-episode season. It doesn't change the pacing of the other plots. If anything, it preserves their pacing, since they're able to dedicate adequate time to the remaining plots, instead of having to rush through them in a lower number of shorter scenes to make room for the minutes they would be dedicating to Greyjoys.

As for Stoneheart, I still think it's a shame that was cut, but I also think it would probably be even worse to bring her in this late. They had to at the very least foreshadow the resurrection in season 4 if they wanted to do it. References to Brotherhood attacks on Freys, a woman with the Brotherhood, something. Just mentioning that her body was dumped in the river doesn't count. Doing it season 5 without having done any of that setup would make the twist feel cheap and unearned.

Their adaptation has been very uneven and you are giving them too much credit when it comes to actually doing things with subtlety. From the twitter post above, I expect she'll make a surprise appearance because "surprise".

 

[Steelyuhas]

EW: Bran confirmed to not be in season 5

 

[Valhelm]

Nevermind. It's a shop. Kind of a sloppy one too, once you start comparing the screenshot to his actual Twitter account. Can't believe I fell for it for a bit there. I've been out of the game too long.

How can you tell?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

EW: Bran confirmed to not be in season 5

WELP

 

[Lothar]

EW: Bran confirmed to not be in season 5

I don't mind this. Bran has been the worst part about Seasons 3 and 4.

 

[kirblar]

Yeah, I like that the training will be off-screen. Especially since they burned their Jojen Paste.

 

[Iksenpets]

Their adaptation has been very uneven and you are giving them too much credit when it comes to actually doing things with subtlety. From the twitter post above, I expect she'll make a surprise appearance because "surprise".

Not saying what they would or won't do, just my preference. I would have preferred a story with Stoneheart, but given where we are now, I'd prefer she be entirely omitted.

And I'm cool with no Bran. They're right that his training wouldn't really work, and turning him into a flashback machine may have just been too expensive, with all the casting that would require, not to mention the screentime it'd eat up