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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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bodyofanamerican

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I wonder if they're just confirming that Isaac won't be on-screen this season. Maybe he's doing some voice over work (think Theon's scene in front of the heart tree in Winterfell).
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

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bodyofanamerican said:
I wonder if they're just confirming that Isaac won't be on-screen this season. Maybe he's doing some voice over work (think Theon's scene in front of the heart tree in Winterfell).
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If they're going to do that, they might as well have him on screen too.

If they do just his voice, show only fans are going to be confused as shit without a proper explanation (i.e. seeing him actually doing tree internet training).
 
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WaffleTaco said:
Theon's scenes made sense as a way of introducing Ramsay, and the Boltons. The main antagonist of seasons 4,5, and maybe 6. Like Joffery was for 1,2,3 and 4. Daanerys will be 6, 7A, 7B.
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They could have introduced Ramsay easily in season 4. Of course showing how fucked up he is would have needed more subtlety and finesse, but d&d have that in spades.

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Martian

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Just got my World of Ice and Fire book in the mail today.

First of all: Its BIG! I love it, it smells great and at first glance the drawings are amazing.
The cover is great as well, it feels nice and looks great as well (I have the red version)

Can't wait to delve into this book!
 
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Kain

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Valhelm said:
Telltale game details released!

It seems to be staying true to the books, and based around a book-only House: the Forresters of Ironrath.
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Here is the correct URL

The first episode is entitled “Iron from Ice”. IGN reported yesterday that the game series is centered on a single house which we now know is House Forrester.

House Forrester located in the North in the Wolfswood is sworn to House Glover of Deepwood Motte. The House is apparently canon appearing in ADwD.

The Telltale announcement also confirms that there are five playable characters, either family members or people who serve the family, who are scattered across Westeros and Essos. Not only are they trying to achieve similar geographic scale as GoT, Telltale is also attempting to replicate the far reaching consequences of individual actions. When playing the game, every choice a player makes ripples outward to affect the other members of the House.
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Looks like house Stark lite. Not bad, the Starks are (were?) the main characters of the series after all.

I'm curious to see if the stories told in these games are somewhat canon and the interactions with other characters. One is bound to be in the wall and another is on KL for sure, the rest will be a surprise for me.
 
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Valhelm said:
Telltale game details released!

It seems to be staying true to the books, and based around a book-only House: the Forresters of Ironrath.
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It's not true to the books, it's fanfiction.

Ironrath doesn't exist in the books and Forrester is just a clan in the wolfswood. Whitehill is never mentioned except in the RPG campaign book, which gives us no description other than the fact they follow the Faith instead of the old gods, so they're probably manderly vassals and not lords in the wolfswood. They simply tried to come up with another Blackwood-Bracken feud, which is cheap.
 
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Jeels

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Looks like Best Buy has new exclusive covers finally. I want both Tyrell and Martell ;( I think i'll go Tyrell this season, I expect Martell to return season 5.
 
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Fairfax said:
It's not true to the books, it's fanfiction.

Ironrath doesn't exist in the books and Forrester is just a clan in the wolfswood. Whitehill is never mentioned except in the RPG campaign book, which gives us no description other than the fact they follow the Faith instead of the old gods, so they're probably manderly vassals and not lords in the wolfswood. They simply tried to come up with another Blackwood-Bracken feud, which is cheap.
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It's not fanfiction any more than the HBO series, and the Blackwoods and Brackens aren't the only feuding houses. I think that they were chosen by Telltale because they have some canonical basis but have more than enough room to explore and expand.

My guess is that we won't interact heavily with any canonical characters.
 
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Valhelm said:
Telltale game details released!

It seems to be staying true to the books, and based around a book-only House: the Forresters of Ironrath.
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Sounds cool!

Dysun said:
Anything not written by George for the books is fanfiction. I don't get why people are annoyed by the description
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Co-signed.

Steelyuhas said:
Stark, Lannister, Targaryen, Tyrell, and Martell for season 4

Martell one looks great, I'll probably get that one.
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Martell and Tyrell! (and the same other 3 that they keep repeating over and over :/) Martell for me.
 
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Dysun said:
Anything not written by George for the books is fanfiction. I don't get why people are annoyed by the description
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what if (some of) the writers at telltale dont really like ASOIAF or even hate it? can you still really call it fanfiction?
 
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Massa

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Dysun said:
Anything not written by George for the books is fanfiction. I don't get why people are annoyed by the description
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I'm sure you do get why people are annoyed by the description. It's both factually incorrect (look it up) and used in a derogatory manner by extremist ASOIAF fanboys to disparage a body of work they're against.

Telltale, HBO, Elio, Linda and others create official products in the ASOIAF authorized and licensed by GRRM. That's not fanfiction by any definition of the word, deal with it.
 
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Massa said:
I'm sure you do get why people are annoyed by the description. It's both factually incorrect (look it up) and used in a derogatory manner by extremist ASOIAF fanboys to disparage a body of work they're against.

Telltale, HBO, Elio, Linda and others create official products in the ASOIAF authorized and licensed by GRRM. That's not fanfiction by any definition of the word, deal with it.
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He doesn't have to deal with anything you're saying, as you're the one who's "factually incorrect".
GRRM is quite clear on the subject.
There is back story-but it is subject to change. Nothing is actually canon until it appears in the novel.

I’ve made this point with some of the spin-off products. Some of the gaming products want to use my notes or some materials I have. I’ve allowed that, but I caution them that I’m still telling the story. If I change it, the version in the books is canon. The spin-off products are fun, but not canon.
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The books are canon and the show adapts the story in the books. This game does neither. It bears the Game of Thrones brand, which is not ASOIAF, and apparently GRRM isn't involved at all, so it's obviously not canon.
Elio and Linda created TWOIAF with GRRM, so that's not even remotely similar to this case.
 
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Steelyuhas said:
Stark, Lannister, Targaryen, Tyrell, and Martell for season 4
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I like the Tyrell one but I'm getting the Clegane cover from amazon.de, I like that they picked something other than one of the major players.

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This will be my first cover that isn't black, I hope it doesn't look too weird standing next to the other three.

My favorite cover is still the one amazon.de had for season 3.

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Cornballer said:
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Hmm interesting. I assume that the fall of the North and how people react to that/what they do next will be a significant part of it.
Pluto said:
I like the Tyrell one but I'm getting the Clegane cover from amazon.de, I like that they picked something other than one of the major players.



This will be my first cover that isn't black, I hope it doesn't look too weird standing next to the other three.

My favorite cover is still the one amazon.de had for season 3.
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That Clegane one is cool. Too bad it's not available in the US.
 
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Massa

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Fairfax said:
He doesn't have to deal with anything you're saying, as you're the one who's "factually incorrect".
GRRM is quite clear on the subject.


The books are canon and the show adapts the story in the books. This game does neither. It bears the Game of Thrones brand, which is not ASOIAF, and apparently GRRM isn't involved at all, so it's obviously not canon.
Elio and Linda created TWOIAF with GRRM, so that's not even remotely similar to this case.
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I don't remember saying anything about book canon. I'm also not seeing anything in your quote where GRRM says he's now accepting money for authorized fan fiction.
 
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Iksenpets

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I bought the Greyjoy cover in season 2 and Targ in season 3, so I have Lannister, Tyrell, and Martell to choose from. I'll get the Lannister, but will spend the next few years scared that I somehow want to be able to get a Tyrell and Martell during seasons 5-7. My ultimate hope is to eventually have S1 Stark, S2 Greyjoy, S3 Targ, S4 Lannister, S5/6 Martell/Stannis, and then just hope that the Tyrells are still alive and can get an S7 cover. I'd want a Tully or Bolton somewhere in there if we ever got an 8th season, but that's not happening.

And the Telltale game sounds interesting. I'm guessing we'll have a family member at the home castle dealing with ironborn stuff, someone in the south as part of Robb's army, someone at the Wall, and then someone off in Essos for reasons?
 
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Fairfax said:
He doesn't have to deal with anything you're saying, as you're the one who's "factually incorrect".
GRRM is quite clear on the subject.


The books are canon and the show adapts the story in the books. This game does neither. It bears the Game of Thrones brand, which is not ASOIAF, and apparently GRRM isn't involved at all, so it's obviously not canon.
Elio and Linda created TWOIAF with GRRM, so that's not even remotely similar to this case.
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All fan fiction is non-cannon material.
All non-cannon material is not necessarily fan fiction.
 
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Iksenpets

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Fanfiction connotes amateur. Anything that is professionally published is not fanfiction. It may be separate canon, but not fanfiction.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Spin offs = fanfiction

in the minds of a lot of people - seriously guys I think you're just arguing semantics here

Pluto said:
I like the Tyrell one but I'm getting the Clegane cover from amazon.de, I like that they picked something other than one of the major players.
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That one is AMAZING

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Loke13

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Basileus777 said:
Officially licensed commercial products are not fanfiction.
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Iksenpets said:
Fanfiction connotes amateur. Anything that is professionally published is not fanfiction. It may be separate canon, but not fanfiction.
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I think a lot of people have a hard time realizing this.

RatskyWatsky said:
Spin offs = fanfiction

in the minds of a lot of people - seriously guys I think you're just arguing semantics here
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What? Spin-off do not equal fanfiction spin offs are simply separate stories which don't follow the main narrative.

It's less of an issue with semantics and more an issue of connotation labeling something as "Fanfiction" usually means your dismissing something as amateurish.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Loke13 said:
What? Spin-off do not equal fanfiction spin offs are simply separate stories which don't follow the main narrative.

It's less of an issue with semantics and more an issue of connotation labeling something as "Fanfiction" usually means your dismissing something as amateurish.
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I think you're reading too heavily into it.
 
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