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[Fuzzy]

The thing about all of this, is that I am wondering what will happen to Cersei and King's Landing. Cersei has been foreshadowed to becoming a Mad Queen and destroying King's Landing with all of the wildfire buried underneath, this will also finally push Jamie over the edge and complete his arc, by killing his sister, for he is probably the volunquar.

I would love the deaths of Tommen and Myrcella, as well as Aegon sieging KL, make Cersei snap and try to order the destruction of the city and make Jaime kill her like he killed the Mad King.

 

[Euron]

I would love the deaths of Tommen and Myrcella, as well as Aegon sieging KL, make Cersei snap and try to order the destruction of the city ad make Jaime kill her like he killed the Mad King.

What about this: Cersei wins her trial and somehow Margaery loses hers and is executed. Aegon begins his siege of King's Landing and on the inside, the Tyrells turn and perform a Red Wedding on Tommen since they no longer have Margaery to be queen and blame the Lannisters for her death. Cersei escapes, breaks down, and tries to burn down KL with wildfire. Jaime returns at this point, finds Cersei, and is forced to kill her to save KL.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I dunno, they kind of touched on it last season with the scene where she has sex with Daario and then immediately decides that everyone in Yunkai must die, only to be talked out of it by Jorah. Then the next episode she sends Jorah away. I think that's pretty ominous. I also think they played the crucifixion scene more darkly than the book, with her smugly looking down on the city to the sound of screams.

I think all of that happened because of shitty writing, not them showing her going crazy.

 

[ToyMachine228]

What about this: Cersei wins her trial and somehow Margaery loses hers and is executed. Aegon begins his siege of King's Landing and on the inside, the Tyrells turn and perform a Red Wedding on Tommen since they no longer have Margaery to be queen and blame the Lannisters for her death. Cersei escapes, breaks down, and tries to burn down KL with wildfire. Jaime returns at this point, finds Cersei, and is forced to kill her to save KL.

One thing is pretty certain; Tommen and Myrcella will die before Cersei does.

 

[Fuzzy]

Thread: GRRM's The World of Ice & Fire: The Untold History of Westeros |OT| Spoiler Thread

 

[badcrumble]

I would love the deaths of Tommen and Myrcella, as well as Aegon sieging KL, make Cersei snap and try to order the destruction of the city and make Jaime kill her like he killed the Mad King.

I think we're gonna see Tommen (and Stannis) die, leading to a power struggle between factions propping up Cersei, Margaery, and Myrcella.

 

[Euron]

I think we're gonna see Tommen (and Stannis) die, leading to a power struggle between factions propping up Cersei, Margaery, and Myrcella.

Again, I think Margaery will die before Tommen. She's the only reason the Tyrells need to ally with the Lannisters (so she can be queen). I'd assume Varys has a plan for this given the fact that he wants to increase tensions between the two houses.

In 5 books, House Tyrell has suffered zero major losses. I think it's very likely that we'll see multiple Tyrells killed off in TWOW. Maybe Margaery, Garlan, and Mace?

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Again, I think Margaery will die before Tommen. She's the only reason the Tyrells need to ally with the Lannisters (so she can be queen). I'd assume Varys has a plan for this given the fact that he wants to increase tensions between the two houses.

In 5 books, House Tyrell has suffered zero major losses. I think it's very likely that we'll see multiple Tyrells killed off in TWOW. Maybe Margaery, Garlan, and Mace?

Didn't Loras get basically crippled at the iron islands? Or was that false info?

 

[PeskyToaster]

Didn't Loras get basically crippled at the iron islands? Or was that false info?

He was injured in an attack on Dragonstone if I remember right.

 

[Fuzzy]

He was injured in an attack on Dragonstone if I remember right.

That was reported, yes. The death of Davos was also reported at another point but we all know that didn't happen.

 

[Kallor]

Wait, they cut Lady Stoneheart? How'd I not hear about this shit.

DA FUCK

 

[WaffleTaco]

Yes Loras was reportedly gravely injured in the battle at dragonstone. Is probably fake though.

 

[Iksenpets]

I think all of that happened because of shitty writing, not them showing her going crazy.

Ha, also possible. I may be giving them too much benefit of the doubt there.

 

[SamVimes]

Daenerys is not really going crazy in the books either.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Daenerys is not really going crazy in the books either.

She definitely has that Targaryen touch of madness. In her case it's not insanity, but she is rash and sometimes delusional about the reality of the world.

 

[Paganmoon]

She definitely has that Targaryen touch of madness. In her case it's not insanity, but she is rash and sometimes delusional about the reality of the world.

or, you know, she's like 14-15?

 

[PhoenixDark]

That was reported, yes. The death of Davos was also reported at another point but we all know that didn't happen.

Yup. One of the weirdest parts of ADWD is when Cersei overhears two septas discussing Loras; one septa brings up "news" of Loras and the other hushes her. I can't help but think if he was dead Cersei would know by now. Qyburn would have heard, since that would be pretty big news.

I think Margery will win her trial but die before Tommen. If Connington lives he's going to make sure Tommen gets destroyed...

(bah, back to the ASOIAF spoiler thread)

 

[ToyMachine228]

or, you know, she's like 14-15?

Can you really use your age as an excuse when you're making decisions about who lives and dies? You could argue that other people have built her up to what she is, but she is still responsible for her own decisions and views on life.

 

[Paganmoon]

Can you really use your age as an excuse when you're making decisions about who lives and dies? You could argue that other people have built her up to what she is, but she is still responsible for her own decisions and views on life.

I mean, she still a child no matter what position she's in. A child can go on a tantrum, make really poor decisions, and most teens think they own the world. I think it fits with how the character is.

 

[Cornballer]

- THR: 'Game of Thrones' Cast Signs for Season 7 with Big Raises

HBO has locked up its Game of Thrones stars for a potential seventh season of the hit drama.

The principal Thrones actors, who were signed only through six seasons of the show, have completed an extensive renegotiation of their contracts that includes an option for season 7, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. In exchange for the option, HBO has ponied up huge raises for seasons 5, 6 and the potential season 7 that will make the cast members among the highest paid on cable TV.

An HBO rep confirmed the renegotiation and season 7 options but would not comment on compensation.

 

[Basileus777]

I think that pretty well cements the 7 season plan.

 

[Ogimachi]

Come to think of it, some actors being offered season 7 options will be spoilers already.
I know they're hardly adapting the books anymore, but so far they have no major characters alive in the show which were dead at this point in the books.

 

[Cornballer]

Come to think of it, some actors being offered season 7 options will be spoilers already.
I know they're hardly adapting the books anymore, but so far they have no major characters alive in the show which were dead at this point in the books.

Of course, when an actor signs on for seven seasons of Game of Thrones it doesn't mean his or her character will live that long. Thrones is notorious for killing off characters, and Martin is still finishing the book series on which the show is based, which means the stars could lose their jobs — and their new paychecks — before a seventh season.

.

 

[Ogimachi]

Right, but D&D know who lives to see the end, so it's safe to assume whoever signs for a 7th season will live through TWOW. Not that they'd tell us this soon, though. They'll never let "Coster-Waldau out of season 7" leak.

 

[Iksenpets]

Daenerys is not really going crazy in the books either.

Crazy is an overstatement, but that last chapter in Dance is definitely about her throwing away her desire to be the good guy and embracing her violent side. I don't think she's going crazy, at least not yet, but she's definitely in the process of a very dark turn.

And good that they're getting everyone locked down for season 7. Sounds like they really have their plan in place for how they're getting to the end.

 

[Euron]

I think that pretty well cements the 7 season plan.

The only question is, will it be the usual ten episode season or will it be split over two years like Breaking Bad and Mad Men?

 

[biosnake20]

The only question is, will it be the usual ten episode season or will it be split over two years like Breaking Bad and Mad Men?

I was thinking about this too. I would not be surprised if they extended it to something like 16-18 episodes and split it over 2 years.

 

[ToyMachine228]

I mean, she still a child no matter what position she's in. A child can go on a tantrum, make really poor decisions, and most teens think they own the world. I think it fits with how the character is.

So you use the same excuse for Joffrey? Trying to have Bran knifed in his bed, shooting prostitutes with crossbows and having people's tongues ripped out is all just because he's a child? While it's easy to say something that age may not fully understand the consequences of their actions, I'd argue that that's plenty old to be a decent human being. Let's not forget that characters like Robb Stark and Jon Snow aren't much older than Dany and Joffrey in the books.

 

[Paganmoon]

So you use the same excuse for Joffrey? Trying to have Bran knifed in his bed, shooting prostitutes with crossbows and having people's tongues ripped out is all just because he's a child? While it's easy to say something that age may not fully understand the consequences of their actions, I'd argue that that's plenty old to be a decent human being. Let's not forget that characters like Robb Stark and Jon Snow aren't much older than Dany and Joffrey in the books.

I think there's a very big difference with the things Joffrey did, and the things Danaerys does. Danaerys actions seem much more inline with that of a teen with great power. Whilst Joffrey's is more inline with a sociopath with great power.

Jon and Robb were simply more mature, and where schooled better into being humble? Danaerys was taught from early on that things were stolen from them, that the throne is theirs by right, etc etc. Give that much to a teen, well yeah.

But not even close to Joffrey's madness.

 

[SamVimes]

Can you really use your age as an excuse when you're making decisions about who lives and dies? You could argue that other people have built her up to what she is, but she is still responsible for her own decisions and views on life.

Of course you can. Being not good enough is not the same as being crazy.

So you use the same excuse for Joffrey? Trying to have Bran knifed in his bed, shooting prostitutes with crossbows and having people's tongues ripped out is all just because he's a child? While it's easy to say something that age may not fully understand the consequences of their actions, I'd argue that that's plenty old to be a decent human being. Let's not forget that characters like Robb Stark and Jon Snow aren't much older than Dany and Joffrey in the books.

Daenerys is a young girl in an extremely complicated situation in a foreign culture. She makes a lot of mistakes and can be cruel at times but that's not going crazy. Joffrey inflicts pain for fun.

Crazy is an overstatement, but that last chapter in Dance is definitely about her throwing away her desire to be the good guy and embracing her violent side. I don't think she's going crazy, at least not yet, but she's definitely in the process of a very dark turn.

I agree, it's gonna be interesting to read.

It just seems there's a big segment of the fanbase that really thinks at this point in time Dany is going insane Aerys style and it suspiciously overlaps with the part of the fanbase that can't stand Catelyn. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, but it's something i've noticed a lot on reddit.

 

[ToyMachine228]

Of course you can. Being not good enough is not the same as being crazy.

Daenerys is a young girl in an extremely complicated situation in a foreign culture. She makes a lot of mistakes and can be cruel at times but that's not going crazy. Joffrey inflicts pain for fun.

I agree, it's gonna be interesting to read.

It just seems there's a big segment of the fanbase that really thinks at this point in time Dany is going insane Aerys style and it suspiciously overlaps with the part of the fanbase that can't stand Catelyn. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, but it's something i've noticed a lot on reddit.

I never said she was insane. I said she has that Targaryen touch of irrational decision making and entitlement that coupled with power causes horrible things to happen. As we have seen. My biggest gripe is that show viewers just think she's a morally pure badass. When the reality is, she is or should he just as gray as the rest of the characters in this universe. But the show has done an awful job showing us her bad side.

 

[Euron]

At this point with Dany, I'm just hoping that in TWOW she doesn't spend 3/4 of her chapters in the Dothraki Sea and she actually reaches Westeros by the end of the book.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I don't believe Dany is going crazy although she clearly mis-remembers a variety of things. By the end of ADWD it's clear she's about to burn the shit out of a bunch of people. I just hope her next chapter opens up immediately after the ADWD chapter, instead of jumping time and having her reflect on burning the shit out of that khal. Give us an action scene in real time again, please.

 

[Incandenza]

I'm moderately sold on the idea that Dany's last Dance chapter was her last POV, or at least her last until she reaches Westeros. Especially if she's going to go in the full-on bloodthirsty conquerer direction.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

This basically confirms the 7 season rumor, which, at first glance, seems absurdly too short, but since they're cutting out significant portions of the books to accommodate their desire to rush to the end, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[WaffleTaco]

This basically confirms the 7 season rumor, which, at first glance, seems absurdly too short, but since they're cutting out significant portions of the books to accommodate their desire to rush to the end, it shouldn't be a problem.

Season 7 Part A (6-9 Episodes)

Season 7 Part B (6-9 Episodes)

 

[Ithil]

This basically confirms the 7 season rumor, which, at first glance, seems absurdly too short, but since they're cutting out significant portions of the books to accommodate their desire to rush to the end, it shouldn't be a problem.

Given it's the highest rated show they have, I don't know why they're so eager to end it in two or three years time.

 

[Basileus777]

Given it's the highest rated show they have, I don't know why they're so eager to end it in two or three years time.

The show runners want to move onto new projects, the actors get more and more expensive, and HBO rarely cares to stretch shows out just because they are popular.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Season 7 Part A (6-9 Episodes)

Season 7 Part B (6-9 Episodes)

It's possible

Given it's the highest rated show they have, I don't know why they're so eager to end it in two or three years time.

When the show ends is up to David and Dan.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Season 7 Part A (6-9 Episodes)

Season 7 Part B (6-9 Episodes)

Even though they did it with the final season of The Sopranos and it's all the rage these days on other networks, I highly doubt HBO will do it for Game of Thrones.

The show runners want to move onto new projects

Which is dumb since this show was, like, their dream to make.

the actors get more and more expensive

And shows as popular as Game of Thrones don't come around every day. It would be more than worth it to pay the actors more money to keep the show going for a few more seasons.

 

[biosnake20]

Even though they did it with the final season of The Sopranos and it's all the rage these days on other networks, I highly doubt HBO will do it for Game of Thrones.

Why do you say that?

 

[Basileus777]

Even though they did it with the final season of The Sopranos and it's all the rage these days on other networks, I highly doubt HBO will do it for Game of Thrones.



Which is dumb since this show was, like, their dream to make.



And shows as popular as Game of Thrones don't come around every day. It would be more than worth it to pay the actors more money to keep the show going for a few more seasons.

They've already spent a decade of their life on this show, it's understandable why they'd want to do something else.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Why do you say that?

Just a feeling I guess, heh. It's not really based on anything.

They've already spent a decade of their life on this show, it's understandable why they'd want to do something else.

Not really. Passions don't have an expiration date.

 

[Basileus777]

Just a feeling I guess, heh. It's not really based on anything.



Not really. Passions don't have an expiration date.

Sure they do, especially when it's just some fantasy series.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Sure they do, especially when it's just some fantasy series.

lol

 

[Basileus777]

lol

You're a real zealot huh.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

You're a real zealot huh.

 

[Basileus777]

Now you're just not making any sense. Put some effort in.

 

[Fuzzy]

They're probably also sick of book purists. It's already made them stop reading feedback for the show.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Now you're just not making any sense. Put some effort in.

You're the one who's not making any sense, hence my lol. A passion is a passion - it doesn't matter if it's painting, fixing cars, bringing your favorite fantasy series to life on the screen, writing music, cooking. You can't discount someone's passion just because you don't think it's worthy or whatever. How ridiculous.