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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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RatskyWatsky

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Yoda said:
TWoW not being out until post season 5 means it will almost be years after the show is over until we get ADoS.
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S5 - Spring 2015
TWoW - Fall 2015/Spring 2016/Summer 2016 (?)
S6 - Spring 2016
S7 - Spring 2017 (final season?)
S8 - Spring 2018 (if they decide they need one more)
ADoS - Who knows, although GRRM won't have to do press/attend events for the show anymore so maybe he'll get more work done once the show ends. So, 2019? Maybe?

Unless George pulls a rabbit out of his hat, the show will end years before the books. (plus, GRRM hasn't ruled out an eighth book as far as I know...) Which is inevitable, even if TWoW were to release tomorrow, but

Really wish they would just do most of AFFC and ADWD and extend the contracts, its not like hey can't afford to as they'd still make retard levels of profit off the show, it would simply amount to less profit. Also the streaming service might change the actual amount of $$ they receive per viewer which may make them change their calculus.
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I maintain that D&D shouldn't try to get there any sooner than they have to. There's a whole bunch of stuff they have (seemingly. we don't know what all made it in yet) cut from AFFC/ADWD that would have been great to see on the show. If what we think was cut was cut, then it could have contributed up to at least one whole season's worth of content just by itself.
 
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Yoda

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RatskyWatsky said:
S5 - Spring 2015
TWoW - Fall 2015/Spring 2016/Summer 2016 (?)
S6 - Spring 2016
S7 - Spring 2017 (final season?)
S8 - Spring 2018 (if they decide they need one more)
ADoS - Who knows, although GRRM won't have to do press/attend events for the show anymore so maybe he'll get more work done once the show ends. So, 2019? Maybe?

Unless George pulls a rabbit out of his hat, the show will end years before the books. (plus, GRRM hasn't ruled out an eighth book as far as I know...) Which is inevitable, even if TWoW were to release tomorrow, but



I maintain that D&D shouldn't try to get there any sooner than they have to. There's a whole bunch of stuff they have (seemingly. we don't know what all made it in yet) cut from AFFC/ADWD that would have been great to see on the show. If what we think was cut was cut, then it could have contributed up to at least one whole season's worth of content just by itself.
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Gap between 4 and 5 was giant and the show wasn't around/just getting started. Season 8 is currently not a thing, I imagine they will do a split season 7 but I'm not sure exactly how that will work if their mantra about barely making 10 episodes in the allotted time is true. I don't want him to rush but its truly a shame he won't be the one telling how his saga ends for the first time.
 
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BreezyLimbo

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Honestly, I feel that the book and show will end differently. And this will be a good thing, not a bad thing. Because there's already major changes in the TV series, that it already has stemmed into a sort of non-canon timeline.

Meanwhile when the books do eventually come out, reading those and seeing what happens will still remain fresh for the most part.

IMO it would be a mistake to tie down the show/book together from this point forward, seeing as the books aren't coming out any time soon. Let the show do its own thing, then let GRRM give the story a proper ending.
 
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Basileus777

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BreezyLimbo said:
Honestly, I feel that the book and show will end differently. And this will be a good thing, not a bad thing. Because there's already major changes in the TV series, that it already has stemmed into a sort of non-canon timeline.

Meanwhile when the books do eventually come out, reading those and seeing what happens will still remain fresh for the most part.

IMO it would be a mistake to tie down the show/book together from this point forward, seeing as the books aren't coming out any time soon. Let the show do its own thing, then let GRRM give the story a proper ending.
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The endings will be different enough, even if many of the same story beats are being hit, especially given that the last few seasons of the TV series won't even have the book to take scenes/dialogue from. It won't hamper my enjoyment of the books if they ever get finished.
 
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biosnake20

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Yoda said:
Gap between 4 and 5 was giant and the show wasn't around/just getting started. Season 8 is currently not a thing, I imagine they will do a split season 7 but I'm not sure exactly how that will work if their mantra about barely making 10 episodes in the allotted time is true. I don't want him to rush but its truly a shame he won't be the one telling how his saga ends for the first time.
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If they do a split season 7 they would just treat the two parts as different seasons and film them in their respective years. That's what AMC did with breaking bad. So for example the seventh season could be extended to 16 episodes and be split into two 8 episode mini seasons(Season 7A and Season 7B).
 
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BreezyLimbo

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Basileus777 said:
The endings will be different enough, even if many of the same story beats are being hit, especially given that the last few seasons of the TV series won't even have the book to take scenes/dialogue from. It won't hamper my enjoyment of the books is they ever get finished.
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Yeah. I do hope he finishes the books soon, they're great reads.

And I'm also excited for the show. It's a win win scenario for fans of boht.
 
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Moff

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BreezyLimbo said:
Honestly, I feel that the book and show will end differently. And this will be a good thing, not a bad thing. Because there's already major changes in the TV series, that it already has stemmed into a sort of non-canon timeline.

Meanwhile when the books do eventually come out, reading those and seeing what happens will still remain fresh for the most part.

IMO it would be a mistake to tie down the show/book together from this point forward, seeing as the books aren't coming out any time soon. Let the show do its own thing, then let GRRM give the story a proper ending.
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I am certain the books will be more different than most people think. not only because the showrunners change/add stuff and don't know everything yet, but because writing is an ongoing process. during writing new, better stuff comes to mind and you would have to be very optimistic to expect the final book before 2020.

GRRM needs more time with every book, and when the show is over and most of his audience have already seen the (or an) ending, I doubt that will speed up his writing. I'd rather say it will make him even slower and less motivated.
and those are many years of writing, I am sure there's tons of stuff he will change himself. but as you say, that's a good thing.
 
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Brakke

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Book and show being different ain't no problem going forward. Book has so so so many more threads happening. Even if they both end with the same person destroying the world or sitting the Iron Throne or whatever that leaves like 500 pages per book about characters and events that won't even be broached by the show but are at least as interesting to me than the fate of the Starks and Lannisters and Targaryens.
 
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The only part of the "book 6" stuff they're going to cover that I'm actually looking forward to is the Sansa stuff. No, not because of the 'controversy' but because of all the scenarios in the books, the only one I can't even predict is how the Littlefinger Sansa thing is going to turn out. I can predict who will be on the throne, what happens to major characters, how the epilogue will be, but this is one thing that can go a LOT of directions.
 
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Plasmid

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bengraven said:
The only part of the "book 6" stuff they're going to cover that I'm actually looking forward to is the Sansa stuff. No, not because of the 'controversy' but because of all the scenarios in the books, the only one I can't even predict is how the Littlefinger Sansa thing is going to turn out. I can predict who will be on the throne, what happens to major characters, how the epilogue will be, but this is one thing that can go a LOT of directions.
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Sansa's story will deviate from the books I think?
 
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dubq

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kirblar said:
They've avoided them all 4 other seasons, no reason to start now.
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In previous years they were only renewed one season ahead. When they premiered season 4, they got renewed for two more seasons, instead of the usual one, this means they can write it however they want since they know they are guaranteed a slot for the next two years. Joss Whedon used to talk about this kind of thing all the time when he was doing Buffy/Angel, as well as the LOST guys, how if they knew they were guaranteed a slot, they could then write cliffhangers instead of having to wrap up everything in a given season (but still leave it somewhat open ended) on the off chance that they were cancelled.
 
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Steelyuhas

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dubq said:
In previous years they were only renewed one season ahead. When they premiered season 4, they got renewed for two more seasons, instead of the usual one, this means they can write it however they want since they know they are guaranteed a slot for the next two years. Joss Whedon used to talk about this kind of thing all the time when he was doing Buffy/Angel, as well as the LOST guys, how if they knew they were guaranteed a slot, they could then write cliffhangers instead of having to wrap up everything in a given season (but still leave it somewhat open ended) on the off chance that they were cancelled.
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They've known they have however many seasons they want for a while now, regardless of how far ahead they official renew the show.
 
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dubq

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Steelyuhas said:
They've known they have however many seasons they want for a while now, regardless of how far ahead they official renew the show.
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Unofficially yes, but until the network says so officially, nothing is certain. The network officially renewed them, on paper, for two more years in 2014.
 
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Iksenpets

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Steelyuhas said:
They've known they have however many seasons they want for a while now, regardless of how far ahead they official renew the show.
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Yeah, and they've said they weren't expecting the two season renewal. They didn't ask for it. HBO just did it unilaterally, so I don't think its something they needed for plot reasons. If I had to guess, I'd say it was more about HBO trying to pin down the budget a bit. Renew and set the budget for two seasons now, instead of having to negotiate it after season 5 posts potentially even higher numbers. The show has a pretty clear trend of increasing viewers every season, and they may just wanted to hedge against that a bit.
 
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dubq

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Iksenpets said:
Yeah, and they've said they weren't expecting the two season renewal. They didn't ask for it. HBO just did it unilaterally, so I don't think its something they needed for plot reasons. If I had to guess, I'd say it was more about HBO trying to pin down the budget a bit. Renew and set the budget for two seasons now, instead of having to negotiate it after season 5 posts potentially even higher numbers. The show has a pretty clear trend of increasing viewers every season, and they may just wanted to hedge against that a bit.
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I didn't mean to suggest that the 2 year renewal happened for plot reasons. I just mean because that happened, they could feasibly then write plots and arcs, that include a cliffhanger, that go over two seasons without anything holding them back from doing so.
 
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Steelyuhas

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dubq said:
I didn't mean to suggest that the 2 year renewal happened for plot reasons. I just mean because that happened, they could feasibly then write plots and arcs, that include a cliffhanger, that go over two seasons without anything holding them back from doing so.
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I do not think they are writing with renewal's in mind at all. They know they have however many seasons they want, right now they are saying they are going to do 7, so they are writing according to that plan.

This is the most successful HBO show ever, I don't believe they are writing with even the vaguest possibility that the show isn't back for whatever the next season is at the time.
 
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PhoenixDark

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The problem with the show ending is that it'll inevitably spoil big things. I'm sure there will be differences but if Martin plans on killing Tyrion or having no one take the Iron Throne or Jon becoming the Night's King...we'd learn it first in the show. That's where the problem lies. Yes the books will explain who Coldhands is and go into more depth for most things, but having the major plot points "spoiled" in the show would be a disaster.

A disaster Martin has no one to blame but himself. I really think the beginning of the end was in 2011 after ADWD came out, when Martin accepted a variety of projects out of a gust of confidence. That plus the tour schedule delayed his TWOW writing. If he had simply bunkered down in 2012, decided to only attend major cons like Worldcon, and not accepted any writing jobs he'd be in a better position.
 
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Iksenpets

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PhoenixDark said:
The problem with the show ending is that it'll inevitably spoil big things. I'm sure there will be differences but if Martin plans on killing Tyrion or having no one take the Iron Throne or Jon becoming the Night's King...we'd learn it first in the show. That's where the problem lies. Yes the books will explain who Coldhands is and go into more depth for most things, but having the major plot points "spoiled" in the show would be a disaster.

A disaster Martin has no one to blame but himself. I really think the beginning of the end was in 2011 after ADWD came out, when Martin accepted a variety of projects out of a gust of confidence. That plus the tour schedule delayed his TWOW writing. If he had simply bunkered down in 2012, decided to only attend major cons like Worldcon, and not accepted any writing jobs he'd be in a better position.
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He really seemed to believe, up until a year or two ago, that they were going to give him like nine seasons. He's been simultaneously overestimating his speed while underestimating theirs for the entire project. I also think Elio and Linda deciding to do the world book when they did hurt, because it sounds like he spent a lot of time on that.

But yeah, the show's probably not going to be spoiling every little thing, but big ones will be hard to ignore. Little dialog scenes between the Sand Snakes talking about their past, we can probably say those may be D&D originals, but when Tyrion gets eaten by a dragon, it's going to be hard to say "Well, I'm sure they just added that themselves."
 
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PhoenixDark said:
The problem with the show ending is that it'll inevitably spoil big things. I'm sure there will be differences but if Martin plans on killing Tyrion or having no one take the Iron Throne or Jon becoming the Night's King...we'd learn it first in the show. That's where the problem lies. Yes the books will explain who Coldhands is and go into more depth for most things, but having the major plot points "spoiled" in the show would be a disaster.

A disaster Martin has no one to blame but himself. I really think the beginning of the end was in 2011 after ADWD came out, when Martin accepted a variety of projects out of a gust of confidence. That plus the tour schedule delayed his TWOW writing. If he had simply bunkered down in 2012, decided to only attend major cons like Worldcon, and not accepted any writing jobs he'd be in a better position.
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I think the real "beginning of the end" was the entire writing process that led to him splitting AFFC and ADWD into two books. The time jump was probably not a great idea in the first place, and the subsequent abandonment of that and needing to conform the interim events to where characters were supposed to end up at after the five years, while introducing new characters and events, just prolonged and complicated the entire writing process. The 5 years it took for Feast to release, and the 6 years for Dance was a sign of things to come.
 
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- EW: 'Game of Thrones' season 5 'mystery' special details revealed
The special is titled Game of Thrones: A Day in the Life. It’s a half-hour documentary that covers one day of season 5 production on three different Thrones sets in three different countries – Belfast, Northern Ireland; Dubrovnik, Croatia; Sevilla and Osuna, Spain. The special follow key crew members and promises to highlight “the epic sets, renowned cast and global scale of Thrones, as well as the more intimate and individual challenges of our subjects, giving the audience a new perspective on one of the most elaborate productions in television history.”
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A Day in the Life debuts February 8, at 7:30 p.m.
 
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Interview with Keisha Castle-Hughes (Obara Sand)

“Obara Sand likes to think of herself as a warrior monk. Some of her favorite pastimes are murdering people with her spear and meditating and picking on her younger sister- oh, and riding her horses,” Castle-Hughes says.

The actress pursued a role on the show in part because she is a big fan of the books. Castle-Hughes explains that she found out she had won the role the night “The Mountain and the Viper” aired- the night Oberyn’s death was shown, and because of the connection, she had a very “intense emotional reaction” to the scene.
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More at the link
 
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Iksenpets

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NeoGiff said:
Trailer for A Day in the Life.

Hardhome confirmed. Also, that's Nikolaj in Dornish garb being attacked by Sand Snake #34 at the start.
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The Sand Snake fight bothers me more than it should, just because left-handed Jaime should be dead within ten seconds in a 1-on-1 fight with Obara. And yeah, that definitely looks like Hardhome. This documentary should be good for a lot of details on that.
 
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Jigorath

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Iksenpets said:
He really seemed to believe, up until a year or two ago, that they were going to give him like nine seasons. He's been simultaneously overestimating his speed while underestimating theirs for the entire project. I also think Elio and Linda deciding to do the world book when they did hurt, because it sounds like he spent a lot of time on that.

But yeah, the show's probably not going to be spoiling every little thing, but big ones will be hard to ignore. Little dialog scenes between the Sand Snakes talking about their past, we can probably say those may be D&D originals, but when Tyrion gets eaten by a dragon, it's going to be hard to say "Well, I'm sure they just added that themselves."
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lol really?

I doubt D&D want to spend their entire adult lives on this show.
 
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Loke13

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Iksenpets said:
The Sand Snake fight bothers me more than it should, just because left-handed Jaime should be dead within ten seconds in a 1-on-1 fight with Obara. And yeah, that definitely looks like Hardhome. This documentary should be good for a lot of details on that.
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You're a dolphin with a gun what do you know about sword fights!
 
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Loke13

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Basileus777 said:
Hardhome makes sense I suppose. With all the cuts. Jon doesn't really have that much else to do between getting elected and dying.
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I wonder how this works does Jon go to Hardhome to get the Wildinglings for Stannis because it seems like Stannis already has a shit ton of men at his disposal thanks to the Iron Bank.
 
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PhoenixDark

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If Jon goes to Hardholme does that mean he's not elected LC, or is? If not it would be pretty repetitive for him to be sent on another suicide mission (ie that ridiculous Craster's Keep action beat in S4). But if he is LC, shouldn't he be on the Wall governing the wildling transition? Unless he leaves someone in charge I suppose.
 
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Jon going to Hardhome could be great S5 padding. It could make sense for him to be elected a the end of this season, and not killed until the next.
 
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Iksenpets

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Loke13 said:
You're a dolphin with a gun what do you know about sword fights!
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This show would be so much simpler if it just had a dolphin with a gun. Then we would know who's going to win every fight. It's the dolphin.

The Drowned God is a dolphin with a gun, confirmed! I have to go write a post about this on Reddit!

PhoenixDark said:
If Jon goes to Hardholme does that mean he's not elected LC, or is? If not it would be pretty repetitive for him to be sent on another suicide mission (ie that ridiculous Craster's Keep action beat in S4). But if he is LC, shouldn't he be on the Wall governing the wildling transition? Unless he leaves someone in charge I suppose.
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Jon intends to lead the Hardhome expedition himself in the book, after Cotter Pyke's rescue by sea failed. He only gets side tracked by the Pink Letter. If they're moving things around so that he never sends Pyke, and instead just goes himself from the start, the timing would work.

Loke13 said:
I wonder how this works does Jon go to Hardhome to get the Wildinglings for Stannis because it seems like Stannis already has a shit ton of men at his disposal thanks to the Iron Bank.
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I doubt Stannis is involved in Hardhome at all. He's probably left Castle Black already by the time Hardhome planning gets underway. It's probably just a moral thing for Jon, we can't let these people get taken by the White Walkers, combined with the pragmatism of not wanting to deal with an extra 10,000 wights. Stannis probably doesn't factor into his math there.
 
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Iksenpets

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Kard8p3 said:
So I'm not sure if this has been brought up/discussed, but do we know how many seasons this is going to run for?
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Everything is pointing towards 7 seasons. Best hope for anything more at this point is that maybe season 7 will be split over two years to add some more episodes.
 
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ChaosXVI

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Currently 7, but I imagine if the show's viewership keeps growing by Season 7's production start HBO will shell out the big money to get an 8th season off the ground, and I do think the show would be better off having 8 seasons rather than 7.
 
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Brakke

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Jigorath said:
lol really?

I doubt D&D want to spend their entire adult lives on this show.
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We've had this conversation already. This show really needs to come back on so we can stop spinning wheels. So help me if we go into another "fanfiction" death spiral before the new season starts.
 
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