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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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RatskyWatsky said:
Hm, true. I guess they could use lots of makeup but you'd think it'd be easier to just cast someone old. Unless that's not what they're going for. I wouldn't put it past HBO to try to make Maggy the Frog "hot".
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I could see them pulling an "exotic beauty" thing. Maybe they'll make her a priestess of R'hllor?
 
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I think Hardhome will be the middle of Jon's arc. He will be elected LC, then go on a ranging to save Wildlings and his actions at Hardhome will be the catalyst for him getting shanked at the end of the season.
 
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Valhelm said:
I could see them pulling an "exotic beauty" thing. Maybe they'll make her a priestess of R'hllor?
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Yeah that was my actual thought. Maggy The Babe isn't really a problem dramatically, she just has to look striking and mysterious and detached from mundane. Like a Galadriel "terrible beauty" sort of angle.

It would be kind of disappointing though. It's not like this show lacks for hot babes. I would prefer the variety.
 
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badcrumble said:
How do you handle Moqorro and the dragon horn, though?

also daario = euron lol
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Honestly, I'm not expecting to see the horn at all. I'm just assuming that any magical elements are going to be cut until we see evidence otherwise. If Stoneheart is a step too far for them, then I really doubt they want a mind-controlling horn involved in anything. They'll find a way around it.

Alternatively, if they need the horn, they could have the it be a wedding gift, like the original dragon eggs were. They can just have it so no one knows what it does, but some foreign noble gives it to her because it's a cool Valyrian relic. Then someone blows it during the battle and shit goes down.
 
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Brakke said:
WHOOPS surprise here's a Queenmaker aside that doesn't involve anyone we know nor does it ammount to anything. TV audience isn't like a book audience. There's only so much patience there to strain.
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Right here. If they don't keep it tightly woven and well paced then this show will die.
 
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Brakke said:
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AFfC and ADwD both have a lot of stuff that won't make for good television, I know we had had several "debates" over it. George worked in TV for years IDK why he thought those books would have enough content to make several interesting seasons of TV but then again, from what I've seen/read I think George thinks too highly of his writing.
 
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Brazil said:
It's not like we have anything new to talk about.
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We could always start a discussion on stuff that we thought would happen. I for instance thought somehow Sandor and Sansa would end together before I read the books...I also thought that Robb would win the war though too, and well...that didn't turn out too well.
 
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WaffleTaco said:
We could always start a discussion on stuff that we thought would happen. I for instance thought somehow Sandor and Sansa would end together before I read the books...I also thought that Robb would win the war though too, and well...that didn't turn out too well.
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I watched the show before I read the books. Before I watched the show I already heard people mention the Red Wedding and making it sound traumatic. I always assumed it would be Joffrey's wedding and something terrible would go down: Either Robb attempting a surprise attack and violently dying after multiple betrayals or Joffrey ordering Tyrion's death during the wedding.

The Red Wedding itself still shocked me. I never thought Walder Frey would actually be able to have Robb killed. I thought either he'd be delivered to the Lannisters after being captured or be the one to allow Tywin's forces to gain the upperhand ion Robb in battle through a surprise attack.

Oh and I was just waiting for Jon to desert the Night's Watch in the first few seasons. The second season's arc really wasn't well done at all. I was very surprised at how drastically better his arc was in ACOK as opposed to Season 2.

And don't even get me started on the Others/White Walkers...
 
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PHOENIXZERO said:
AFfC and ADwD both have a lot of stuff that won't make for good television, I know we had had several "debates" over it. George worked in TV for years IDK why he thought those books would have enough content to make several interesting seasons of TV but then again, from what I've seen/read I think George thinks too highly of his writing.
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Or... he wrote the books as BOOKS and not as an outline for a TV show? I know... it is tough to think that an author could possibly be writing books for the sake of writing a book and worry about a new medium adaption after the fact.
 
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Forsaken82 said:
Or... he wrote the books as BOOKS and not as an outline for a TV show? I know... it is tough to think that an author could possibly be writing books for the sake of writing a book and worry about a new medium adaption after the fact.
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You're missing the context of that post. GRRM thought AFFC/ADWD would get multiple seasons on the show, it has nothing to do with his intent when writing them.
 
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WaffleTaco said:
We could always start a discussion on stuff that we thought would happen. I for instance thought somehow Sandor and Sansa would end together before I read the books...I also thought that Robb would win the war though too, and well...that didn't turn out too well.
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tbh we're due for a heavy POV character dying. My money would be on Cersei.
 
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Yoda said:
tbh we're due for a heavy POV character dying. My money would be on Cersei.
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What would the "pay off" of that be for the books? What overarching impact will it have? And will the amount of pages dedicated to her so far in the books be worth it if she's killed off?

Ned's death was huge, he was the defacto main character of the first book, but him dying didn't feel like a cop-out death, it set major events rolling, and you didn't feel cheated for having read so many chapters about him.

In contrast Quentyn was handled poorly, the chapters didn't add anything to the overall story, and his death was "meh". Sure, it'll have consequences for the Martells, but they can't blame Dany for it.

Anyway, my point is, would Cersei dying be more in the vein of Ned or Quentyn. Not sure how he'd manage to make it "mean something".
 
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Paganmoon said:
What would the "pay off" of that be for the books? What overarching impact will it have? And will the amount of pages dedicated to her so far in the books be worth it if she's killed off?

Ned's death was huge, he was the defacto main character of the first book, but him dying didn't feel like a cop-out death, it set major events rolling, and you didn't feel cheated for having read so many chapters about him.

In contrast Quentyn was handled poorly, the chapters didn't add anything to the overall story, and his death was "meh". Sure, it'll have consequences for the Martells, but they can't blame Dany for it.

Anyway, my point is, would Cersei dying be more in the vein of Ned or Quentyn. Not sure how he'd manage to make it "mean something".
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It's not just about payoff. She's done a lot of shit and has a lot to get her persecuted. The real question is: what could be her endgame if she lives?
Unless both Tyrion and Jaime die, she won't rule Casterly Rock, the rest of the family despises her, and no one fighting for the throne could reasonably become her ally. It's not like she's giving up on Tommen as king either.
 
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Fairfax said:
It's not just about payoff. She's done a lot of shit and has a lot to get her persecuted. The real question is: what could be her endgame if she lives?
Unless both Tyrion and Jaime die, she won't rule Casterly Rock, the rest of the family despises her, and no one fighting for the throne could reasonably become her ally. It's not like she's giving up on Tommen as king either.
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I'm not saying she hasn't done enough things to merit, say a execution, I mean, from a storytelling point of view, what would the payoff be, would it change anything, and would all the chapters she's had so far have been "worth it".

Again, Ned's death didn't feel forced as it meant something, storytelling wise, and his chapters didn't feel like "fluff" afterwards. Would we feel the same if Cersei died I tWoW?
 
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Paganmoon said:
I'm not saying she hasn't done enough things to merit, say a execution, I mean, from a storytelling point of view, what would the payoff be, would it change anything, and would all the chapters she's had so far have been "worth it".

Again, Ned's death didn't feel forced as it meant something, storytelling wise, and his chapters didn't feel like "fluff" afterwards. Would we feel the same if Cersei died I tWoW?
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Doesn't have to pay off. No ending could ever make Brienne chapters worth my time, for instance. I'm sure a lot of people feel like that about other characters, and sometimes they play a role in part of the story that leads to another arc's payoff.

Cersei is a very important character in at least 5 books already.
 
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Fairfax said:
It's not just about payoff. She's done a lot of shit and has a lot to get her persecuted. The real question is: what could be her endgame if she lives?
Unless both Tyrion and Jaime die, she won't rule Casterly Rock, the rest of the family despises her, and no one fighting for the throne could reasonably become her ally. It's not like she's giving up on Tommen as king either.
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Her endgame after her walk is to kill every single one of her fucking enemies. I guess she will continue to set traps for herself and jump into them and as long as she's doing that, Varys and Littlefinger will let her live.
Once her kids are dead she will be strangled.
 
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Regardless of what happens to get to that point, I've always thought a fitting end for Cersei would be Jaime pinning her down and strangling her with his golden hand. A kind of parallel to Tyrion's murder of Shae with Tywin's golden chain.

While Tyrion murdered his lover using the symbol of his father's pride, Jaime will murder his lover using the symbol of his own redemption, therefore completing it.

Edit: I changed my avatar by the way, just to avoid confusion.
 
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NeoGiff said:
Regardless of what happens to get to that point, I've always thought a fitting end for Cersei would be Jaime pinning her down and strangling her with his golden hand. A kind of parallel to Tyrion's murder of Shae with Tywin's golden chain.

While Tyrion murdered his lover using the symbol of his father's pride, Jaime will murder his lover using the symbol of his own redemption, therefore completing it.

Edit: I changed my avatar by the way, just to avoid confusion.
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I actually think Sansa causing her death would be best. I guess it doesn't matter who actually kills her, but before she dies she should realize that Sansa has defeated her at the game.

It's about time in the next book for the Starks to start taking some fucking revenge.
 
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cartoon_soldier said:
I actually think Sansa causing her death would be best. I guess it doesn't matter who actually kills her, but before she dies she should realize that Sansa has defeated her at the game.

It's about time in the next book for the Starks to start taking some fucking revenge.
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Maybe Jaime doing the deed, which is set up by Sansa by way of Stoneheart reminding Jaime of his oaths and obligations?
 
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NeoGiff said:
Regardless of what happens to get to that point, I've always thought a fitting end for Cersei would be Jaime pinning her down and strangling her with his golden hand. A kind of parallel to Tyrion's murder of Shae with Tywin's golden chain.

While Tyrion murdered his lover using the symbol of his father's pride, Jaime will murder his lover using the symbol of his own redemption, therefore completing it.

Edit: I changed my avatar by the way, just to avoid confusion.
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I think a more fitting end to cersei is for her to wish for her life to end and be killed by a faceless man. And this would be after Jamie takes the black to get away from cersei.
 
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I actually think that Jaime will be forced to kill both Brienne and Cersei at separate occasions for different reasons which will hugely impact his character. IMO his role in the overall story is the reverse of the typical knight:

He begins in white armor as a personal defender of the King but is an incestous scumbag. I think he'll end the story in a black cloak of the Night's Watch, among a group of outcasts but fighting for the right thing.
 
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Don't want to see Jamie in the Nights Watch, would rather see him still in the mix politically.

He is the heir to Casterly Rock after all depending on how his leadership of the Kingsguard goes.
 
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