Hehe we know how you feel already:
I'm saying. We need some new material in here stat.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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Hehe we know how you feel already:
I'm saying. We need some new material in here stat.
Moff
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I doubt they are not giving us 9 seasons because they "dont want to spend their adult life on that show" for 9 seasons they would have had to spread AFFC/ADWD into more seasons which would have made bad content even worse. and they would have to include more self written content because GRRM is not nearly finished with the books, yet. and I don't think anyone would have been comfortable with that.
RatskyWatsky
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Or we could just let people discuss whatever they want. *shrug*
There's also the realities of TV. Regardless D&D's personal feelings they're wrangling an enormous ensemble cast, costumers, directors, writers, location people (and location availability), set and scene people, etc etc etc. Any of which aspects of production can and certainly do experience some level of attrition and turnover. But at some point things start to fall apart and the endevour gets fragile.
Never forget this show is outrageously and uniquely expensive. What show ever maintained any kind of quality on a nine year run? If the wheels start to come off it as cast and crew start walking away / ransoming the network for even more dough and regular-ass viewers start getting bored of wizards and dragons make-believe then HBO's caught finishing a bomb of a series hemorrhaging money. Meanwhile, HBO probably aren't sure there'll even be such a thing as cable in three years.
I dunno I think people really underestimate what a bummer DwD was, especially for making into a show. Here we have all this momentum and intrigue around characters and actors everyone's grown very fond of then WHOOPS surprise here's a Queenmaker aside that doesn't involve anyone we know nor does it ammount to anything. TV audience isn't like a book audience. There's only so much patience there to strain.
I am discussing what I want
Exactly. The Hardhome battle sequence should be pretty massive too, considering it took at least three weeks to film.
Edit: This must also be the scene Kit talked about in an interview a while ago, mentioning that he filmed for weeks and that was only for a segment if the scene.
Did it take that long because it's massive or because of bad weather?
There was a three week block of shooting starting at the end of October involving
wildlings and wildling archers, which would involved "athletic" work and lots of running around.
eot
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I don't think any padding is ever "great" because you know it's inconsequential. S4 was all padding for Jon and it was lacklustre.
Yeah, it's also probably the scene that was planned for Iceland but grew too big. Whether it ends up any good or not, it's probably going to be a huge set piece on par with Daznak's Pit or Cersei's walk.
I do wonder what this change will mean for Stannis. Most of us had been expecting him to march straight to Winterfell in the show, but if they're padding out Jon, Stannis can't get too far ahead. Do they just keep him at the Wall longer, or do you throw in Deepwood Motte to pad him out and get another action scene in? They seem pretty gung-ho about adapting every action beat they possibly can.
Hmm yeah I don't know. One thing though: as excited as I am for the Hardhome expedition, I hope it doesn't infringe on the great Stannis/Jon scenes we could be getting. At least we also know that some element of the election is definitely in, with the news of the late J.J. Murphy's character etc. So the question is, how do the election and Jon heading off to Hardhome line up sequentially? You would assume Hardhome to be a late-season event, but the election is such a natural arc climax.
Yoda
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Are you sure they did this? How would the contract work as it would obviously bleed heavily into their time which = less potential parts they could do otherwise? I certinaly want it to go 8 seasons as the length of the final two books is rumored to be larger the ADWD so 1 season a piece just will not work.
Yeah, I think the election is going to have to be somewhat abridged. It'll probably have to resolve itself in an episode or two, instead of having a longer period of failed ballots and Sam politicking. I could see it just being one scene, with all the older dudes fighting and no one winning the ballot, and then Sam gives a speech in favor of Jon and Jon just wins.
Then you could develop Jon+Stannis until episode 5 or so, then Stannis can leave and Jon can pivot to Hardhome planning to be there in time for episode 8ish.
Cornballer
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- Making Game of Thrones: Shivering for the Shot
Day 77: From the bottom of a quarry, our VFX supervisor looks up at the ridge above us and shakes his head. As we all shiver in 4°C shadow, he's praying the sun won't rise over the ridge and bathe us in its loving warmth. Because we have some serious VFX elements in this scene and shadows are much easier to match than light. For VFX, hell isn't other people it's the sunlight on their faces.
Snow in the Eyrie? That's definitely the same location used in this scene, although they could just be using it again for some other shot.
Cornballer
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Could be doubling as Hardhome?
biosnake20
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From the Breaking Bad wiki page:
They definitely filmed it separately but they called it all Season 5.
biosnake20
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=qWb6opYnPTo
Trailer for the imax showing. There's a second of new footage at 33 seconds.
Trailer for the imax showing. There's a second of new footage at 33 seconds.
Huh so maybe
Tyrion gets immediately dropped off at Illyrio's house?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Isn't she far too young for that part?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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That's crazy. I had such a thing for her when I first saw the Last of the Mohicans.
Snow in the eyrie would make a lot of sense. The beginnings of winter would probably be more obvious in high altitudes, right?
Let's do the math. Maggy the Frog is Jeyne/Talisa's grandmother. If Cersei is 40 in the last season, and the flashback was 29 years earlier, it's not impossible for a 40-year-old actress to play Maggy.
Make-up. She doesn't have to be old just ugly. And for a character that only appears once out of the whole series is her appearance really that important?
BobTheFork
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They can just throw a beard and some tree roots on her and make her look really old.
I think the question is what does that mean for actor contracts. Can you contract someone for 5 seasons and then split your season 5 across two years, or do you need to have them signed on for six years, even though you're only calling it five seasons? I genuinely don't know.
badcrumble
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I think the reason people expect this not to be finishable in seven seasons is because they expect a lot of stuff to happen in TWOW. I posit that, outside of the opening chapters cut from ADWD, this might not end up being the case, lol.
Steelyuhas
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Probably case by case depending on the show/network. For Breaking Bad, that all counted as "Season 5" in terms of contracts, no guarantee that contracts from others show from different production companies and different networks have contracts that worked like the Breaking bad situation though.
For Breaking Bad I'm almost certain the final "season" of 5a and 5b was one contractual season. The actors/crew were all contracted for one extended season, and then AMC got the benefit of two full years of airtime/ad revenue/home video releases/awards attention. It seemed almost purely a monetary boon for AMC, paying for one season and essentially getting two out of it.
biosnake20
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Good question. Sopranos had a split final season as well but it was extended to nearly double the usual run of episodes. I'd be surprised if that was treated as a completely normal season.
If they are bothering to put her in? Absolutely.
I honestly don't understand this at all. Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the Areo Hotah casting?
You don't understand why a characters appearance is important? I'm not talking about in terms of sticking to the books just in general.
PHOENIXZERO
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And a nice comfy chair to sit in.
An extremely minor character doesn't look like her book description (even though we haven't seen the episode in question) who cares? If the characters only job is to spout off a bit of prophetical nonsense and then disappear for the rest of the show then no it really doesn't matter if her appearance closely matches the books.
I said I didn't mean her book appearance. If you aren't giving a character that has such a big impact on one of the major characters a memorable appearance and screen presence you are missing an opportunity. But that applies to every character I suppose.
She doesn't need to be Talisa's mother, either. I see no reason to be bothered by casting unless you're an absolute purist, but if that's the case I don't know why you would even bother at this point.
Anyways, completely unrelated but I've begun a slow re-read of the novels to pass the time until the next season of the TV series. I forgot how much I enjoyed the very early interactions / blooming friendship between Tyrion and Jon. It might be one of my favorite things in the series. Two of the most important characters, who spend most of the series worlds apart, bonding over their experience as bastards (or "bastards") and underdogs. Nothing seriously dramatic or earth shaking, but kinda touching and cool to see in retrospect.
No one here is saying that they aren't doing that.
Fair enough. Personally I would have liked to see that whole storyline dropped but hopefully they make a memorable scene out of it at least.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Hm, true. I guess they could use lots of makeup but you'd think it'd be easier to just cast someone old. Unless that's not what they're going for. I wouldn't put it past HBO to try to make Maggy the Frog "hot".
now that would really dumb
Well, just from the Winds chapters we know about, we can assume a lot of the book might be made moot by changes they're making now. Vague speculation about some known stuff from Winds:
I think Winds is supposed to have like 4 chapters about Arianne traveling to meet with Aegon, and Connington's reaction to her. None of that's going to happen in the show. That's probably like 50 pages of material gone right there. Any Victarion or Danphair chapters are going to be gone. The prologue is supposedly going to be about the convoy taking Edmure and Jeyne back to the Westerlands, which won't exist in the show since Robb's wife is dead and Jaime's not going to Riverrun to get Edmure out of prison.
Winds may be long, and it may even be eventful, but none of that will matter if a big chunk of the chapters are about things the show is abridging.
She's gonna tell the prophesy while undoing her top and rubbing herself.
badcrumble
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I kind of strongly suspect that we're going to see Yara end up assuming Victarion's role in the story.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I was honestly going to post something similar, ha. Maybe Maggy the Frog is, like, Tywin's sexy mistress or something. Maybe she's a prostitute and that's why Cersei hates them.
Maybe they'll make Tyrion one of her clients and then they'll just laugh and laugh and laugh about Tysha while chomping cigars and they'll light the cigars with pages from the books.
RatskyWatsky
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Knowing D&D? I wouldn't be surprised.
I've heard people suggest that, and I'm just not feeling it. Why give Daario a fleet that matches Vic's exactly if not to cut the Greyjoys out of Meereen altogether and just let Daario handle the naval aspect of the battle?
badcrumble
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