cartoon_soldier
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It looks like Varys doesn't accompany Tyrion to Meereen from the pit leaks?
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It looks like Varys doesn't accompany Tyrion to Meereen from the pit leaks?
higgsboson1997
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They need to cut some parts out- there's just way too many characters for 10 hours of TV. Adding another major plot-line would just make the other things feel rushed.
Anyways, this season looks amazing! That final shot was something that I would never have imagined back in S1 and S2 days. GoT has come far
WaffleTaco
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No, there's no way he does that. Tyrion will probably be captured by Jorah around episode 4 or 5. Varys will probably disappear after that until the end of the episode 10.
Varys doesn't accompany Tyrion in the books either though. Tyrion hangs out with JonCon before getting kindapped. I don't see Varys going on a daring trek to Mereen with Tyrion. Honestly, how does Tyrion even get there without JonCon? I doubt Varys would just send Tyrion to Dany without some sort of escort. Cutting out Aegon really makes the whole Varys/Illyrio thing nonsensical.
That's probably when Jorah comes in.
Is Jorah just going to kidnap Tyrion from Varys? Seems like a big goof on the spider's part. I also doubt Varys would hire Jorah to escort him considering he was banished. Obviously something's gotta happen to get Tyrion from point A to B but I don't know how they do it without it being nonsensical.
eot
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I wouldn't be surprised if Stannis hires the Golden Company. Or did he already hire mercenaries in the show? I'm not even sure. He did get the loan anyway.
What if in the show Trystane is Aegon who has been hiding in Sunspear all these years? The show hyping Daenerys as the promised heir and saviour of Westeros and then it turns out she was just a backup plan gone rogue. It may make Dany's character interesting at last.
Also hoping for the Daario=Euron reveal at the end of this season/beginning of the next. I have the impression some people have forgotten about this and I won't have it! Everyone must remember!
Also hoping for the Daario=Euron reveal at the end of this season/beginning of the next. I have the impression some people have forgotten about this and I won't have it! Everyone must remember!
WadiumArcadium
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I thought the trailer was great but no Aegon is disappointing.
Lactose_Intolerant
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season 6 has victarian right, right?
If that's the case then it would imply that in the books he is the actual Aegon, as I don't see the Martells sponsoring a Blackfyre pretender.
They are cutting out key parts of the story and then wasting our time with a Grey Worm love story...They need to cut some parts out- there's just way too many characters for 10 hours of TV. Adding another major plot-line would just make the other things feel rushed.
Anyways, this season looks amazing! That final shot was something that I would never have imagined back in S1 and S2 days. GoT has come far
Good point.
I'm not sure how they're going to nail Tyrion's ADWD motivation/characterization when they pulled so many punches in the ASOS material.
Enosh
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I have like no hype for this season at all
idk if I simply got sick of GoT, or if it's because they cut the whole greyjos thing and went 100% dorne which I hated in the books, or if I just got pissed off at all the stupid changes
probably a combination of all of it, well will still watch and might get really back into it if it's above expectations
idk if I simply got sick of GoT, or if it's because they cut the whole greyjos thing and went 100% dorne which I hated in the books, or if I just got pissed off at all the stupid changes
probably a combination of all of it, well will still watch and might get really back into it if it's above expectations
bengraven
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I think an issue is that Feast/Dance was supposed to be the "mid-point" of the series. That's why George suddenly adds a ton of characters. He's setting up his end game.
However at this point, since HBO split book 3 they are at their own halfway point, earlier than the book series. So they're looking at end game and already moving towards it.
So basically we'll lose several plots (Aegon, Victarion, Stoneheart, Sam in Oldtown maybe) to focus on those characters from the first half of the series, Dorne being our sole exception likely because they have a huge part to play in the endgame.
(I suspect by the end of Winds that Dorne is marching on King's Landing in support of Dani on the show and Dani's surrogate Aegon in the books)
I'm pissed by some of the cuts and agree that I don't like Dorne as much, but I'll keep watching because:
1) the show has become phenomenal in the writing department, at times and maybe even most times being better than the books
2) as I said above, I think Dorne is important, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt
3) they're still following my favorite storylines even with deviations (Tyrion, Jon, Dani, and especially Arya)
However at this point, since HBO split book 3 they are at their own halfway point, earlier than the book series. So they're looking at end game and already moving towards it.
So basically we'll lose several plots (Aegon, Victarion, Stoneheart, Sam in Oldtown maybe) to focus on those characters from the first half of the series, Dorne being our sole exception likely because they have a huge part to play in the endgame.
(I suspect by the end of Winds that Dorne is marching on King's Landing in support of Dani on the show and Dani's surrogate Aegon in the books)
I'm pissed by some of the cuts and agree that I don't like Dorne as much, but I'll keep watching because:
1) the show has become phenomenal in the writing department, at times and maybe even most times being better than the books
2) as I said above, I think Dorne is important, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt
3) they're still following my favorite storylines even with deviations (Tyrion, Jon, Dani, and especially Arya)
Not sure how that's a goof on his part just have Tyrion get captured in a brothel like the book or in a tavern before he realizes what's happened.
Yoda
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So here is a list of cut characters so far (new inclusions after the season 5 trailer reveal):
Aegon Targaryen
Aeron Greyjoy
Alerie Hightower
Alys Karstark
Arianne Martell
Arys Oakheart
Aurane Waters
Balon Swann
Barbrey Dustin
Coldhands
Donal Noye
Euron Greyjoy
Gerold Dayne
Harys Swyft
Jeyne Poole
Jocelyn Swyft
Jon Connington
Justin Massey
Lady Stoneheart
Lemore
Moqorro
Mya Stone
Paxter Redwyne
Patchface
Pate
Randyll Tarly
Orton Merryweather
Osmund Kettleblack
Osney Kettleblack
Quentyn Martell
Satin
Strong Belwas
Taena Merryweather
Val
Victarion Greyjoy
The only one there that is really disappointing (given what we know) is Victarion as he will most likely be a major POV in Winds. Also what do you guys think of the theory that is Sansa being "merged" with Lady Stoneheart?
Aegon Targaryen
Aeron Greyjoy
Alerie Hightower
Alys Karstark
Arianne Martell
Arys Oakheart
Aurane Waters
Balon Swann
Barbrey Dustin
Coldhands
Donal Noye
Euron Greyjoy
Gerold Dayne
Harys Swyft
Jeyne Poole
Jocelyn Swyft
Jon Connington
Justin Massey
Lady Stoneheart
Lemore
Moqorro
Mya Stone
Paxter Redwyne
Patchface
Pate
Randyll Tarly
Orton Merryweather
Osmund Kettleblack
Osney Kettleblack
Quentyn Martell
Satin
Strong Belwas
Taena Merryweather
Val
Victarion Greyjoy
The only one there that is really disappointing (given what we know) is Victarion as he will most likely be a major POV in Winds. Also what do you guys think of the theory that is Sansa being "merged" with Lady Stoneheart?
They never really confirmed whether or not he got the backing of the Iron Bank in the show. If they're following the books then it should happen this season. The fact that they had that scene rather than cutting it in favor of more Dany worship tells me it's going to be important later on.
Yes they did it was during the scene where Davos hires Salador's service again in the Braavos bathhouse.
Wait they can't cut Randyll Tarly can they? He's been mentioned too many times. And no Wyman Manderly or Robett Glover on the list?
Also I still don't understand why Aegon is cut unless he dies a really pointless death in TWOW. He's such a significant character because he completely changes the circumstances surrounding Dany's return. She'll be returning as a monster instead of a savior. If Dany returns, gets everyone's support, and wins her battles, it would feel extremely cliche and just not something I feel GRRM would do.
And at this point I'm just hoping for a single universal Greyjoy played by Mads Mikkelson. How much do you guys want to bet that Balon lives through Season 5?
Also I still don't understand why Aegon is cut unless he dies a really pointless death in TWOW. He's such a significant character because he completely changes the circumstances surrounding Dany's return. She'll be returning as a monster instead of a savior. If Dany returns, gets everyone's support, and wins her battles, it would feel extremely cliche and just not something I feel GRRM would do.
And at this point I'm just hoping for a single universal Greyjoy played by Mads Mikkelson. How much do you guys want to bet that Balon lives through Season 5?
But would be right up D&D's alley.
The scene cut away before the Iron Bank gave Stannis an answer. They haven't confirmed whether or not he got their support.
I think it's pretty obvious that he got there support considering that Davos bought Salador's service again (something that they previously couldn't afford to do) and showed up at The Wall with a large enough force to beat back the Wildlings.
cartoon_soldier
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I was thinking that Varys goes to get the Golden Company for Deanerys.
That battle isn't in the books yet right?
I don't know. They didn't give Salador a fortune. Just some gold to get him to come on board. I think if the Lannisters lost the Iron Bank they would have made a bigger deal aboutt it. We'll find out for sure next season.
He should be in season 6 once Cersei is shunned, Kevan is dead and Mace Tyrell is named hand (or was he regent too? don't remember). He is going to be a major power in TWOW and it makes no sense to merge him with Mace or some bullshit like that. With some more deaths this season there should be no problem for show-watchers to keep up with this new (and awesome, you'll see) character.
Manderly is more problematic as D&D hate the guts of The Mannis (in caps, because he is The Man) and it seems they are rushing or destroying his character arc, so at the moment I see no need to send Davos to White Harbor. We need the introduction to the town and the Freys lurking there for that to make sense. Also we need the rest of the northern lords conspiring against the Boltons to get to the "The North remembers" part, so I don't see Manderly this season either. Maybe they'll introduce some of these elements in this season to anticipate his arrival?
Glover is in the same position as Manderly. Up to this point the North is just battles, and Wightcastles and Crasterstuff, we have not seen any conspiracy amongst their lords.
Didn't they film something in some university in Seville? Maybe he does arrive at the end, but Marwyn has not been cast as far as I know.
True enough. Should be a pretty interesting development we know from the last season that the Lannister gold mines have dried up so if the Iron Bank calls in their debts the Lannisters are 100% boned.
MudoSkills
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Do we expect the TV show to overtake the books this season?
Hell yes.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Which plotlines though? I'm probably a lot rustier than most of you on the books (I've only read them once), but big stuff coming up like Cersei's trial, Danzak's Pit & Jon being betrayed at the wall are likely to be included late season. If Jon stabbing isn't end of season material I have no ideas what is.
All of them it seems Sansa has already surpassed her book material Arya seems to already be delving into some of her TWOW material. I imagine everyone else should be at the end of their ADWD arc by the end of the Season.
That's what I immediately thought. Why'd they cut Aegon but cast Trystane? I'm going to have check asoiaf wiki because I honestly can't remember anything Trystane related from the books. He's definitely going to be used as setup for something important. I don't believe they would cut so many important characters and then come up with some Trystane storylines to be used as filler for the show.
Sansa for sure. Maybe Arya. Otherwise I don't see us getting much TWOW content.
D&D probably just wanted to have a "Romeo & Juliet" love story in the show.
Dénouement
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Yeah, get ready for another heartwrenching love story like Robb and Talisa.
Moff
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since bran is taking a break, not necessarily.
AFFC/ADWD are enough material for a season and it will likely end with daznak's pit and jon's stabbing.
still, knowing D&D they might put in some stuff from TWOW just because they feel like it.
maybe he is not a targaryen but will take the role of faegon anyway. amass an army, try to take the iron throne.
D&D probably realized what a bad plot device faegon is in the books and replaced him with something that made sense, making dorne an actually interesting location in the process.
thequickandthedead
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Is it true that the TV show isn't intended to go on longer than seven seasons?
As of now yes. Hopefully they split up the last season
Steelyuhas
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It happens during Dance, but no POV is there. Jon gets a letter from the battle alerting him that the White Walkers attacked there.
biosnake20
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I don't know man it's hard for me to believe Varys' character in the show will break down into simply backing Daenarys. He's gotta have something else up his sleeve.
I pray to the old and new gods that they do this.
cartoon_soldier
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Oh yea, but I was actually talking about the upcoming battle where NW attacks the place to take it back.
I wouldn't be surprised with 7 seasons + HBO movie.
Steelyuhas
Member
Oh I see.
Not sure how/if that will happen in the show, but I assume in season 5 we'll see the battle described in Dance, but Jon will be there.
cartoon_soldier
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Oh...that would be interesting.
Edit:
Trailer with screencaps and description:
http://imgur.com/a/uiZw3
biosnake20
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http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-game-of-thrones-eyes-2-million-in-imax-debut-1201420355/
Box Office: Game of Thrones Eyes $2 Million in Imax Debut
Box Office: Game of Thrones Eyes $2 Million in Imax Debut
cartoon_soldier
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Was about to post that
I think chances of the finale being a 2.5 hour movie just went up 10x
MagicWithEarvin
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The chances of the finale being split into 3 movies just went up 20x as well.
cartoon_soldier
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HBO isn't Peter Jackson
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