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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread

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Loke13

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BobTheFork said:
He's a very odd plot device to me. It feels like at some point during the writing, even George started to get mad that Dany wasn't close to coming back to Westeros so he just made another 'Targaryen' to fill that role for now. I have just been assuming Dany is going to off him as soon as they meet.
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This might be a even better thing
she might not go flying off on Drogon at the end of this and might actually be around for the siege on Mereen.
 
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BobTheFork said:
He's a very odd plot device to me. It feels like at some point during the writing, even George started to get mad that Dany wasn't close to coming back to Westeros so he just made another 'Targaryen' to fill that role for now. I have just been assuming Dany is going to off him as soon as they meet.
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It wasn't a new development: people guessed the Aegon thing back when ACOK came out. He wasn't introduced of of nowhere. I guess the show doesn't want to go into stuff they haven't covered, is Blackfyres (Aegon is clearly not Rhaegar's son). We'll see though, perhaps they do it differently.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
It wasn't a new development: people guessed the Aegon thing back when ACOK came out. He wasn't introduced of of nowhere. I guess the show doesn't want to go into stuff they haven't covered, is Blackfyres (Aegon is clearly not Rhaegar's son). We'll see though, perhaps they do it differently.
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True but if he ever does anything significant from this point on in the books, we could be missing a major plot point. Who knows? That's just kind of where we are with the show catching up. We have no idea if the things they are skipping are going to cause huge diversions in the book /show story.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
It wasn't a new development: people guessed the Aegon thing back when ACOK came out. He wasn't introduced of of nowhere. I guess the show doesn't want to go into stuff they haven't covered, is Blackfyres (Aegon is clearly not Rhaegar's son). We'll see though, perhaps they do it differently.
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That doesn't really say anything. Every possible theory has been made about this series. One of the sillier ones just turned out to be true.
 
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Euron Crow's Eye said:
FUCK. I predicted this before but it still really hurts, especially since the show is cutting so much material. :(

Also, I'm in the denial phase right now. The end of the trailer was a red flag. Aegon=Trystane

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Trystane can't be Aegon.
Makes absolutely no sense now based on the trailer.

I don't think this show can even be called a faithful adaptation anymore. Fuck the producers.
 
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Lord Couture

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Moff said:
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after the varys quote in that trailer, it's clear that Aegon will not be on the show. it was speculated before by many. and in my opinion, it's a huge plus, I think he was a terrible plot device and hope he dies very soon in the books, too.
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The more I think about it, the more I think he's in:

1. Trailers are all about misdirection. Coincidentally, Varys is also all about misdirection. He's the only "player" in the whole show who we're in the dark about; it's kind of a big deal. Unsullieds have been wondering for years what's the deal about Varys and what he really wants. Spelling it out in a trailer like that would be a poor move.

2. What Varys says to Tyrion in the trailer is totally in agreement with ADWD. In the book, Illyrio never mentions Aegon to Tyrion - here's what he said about who to put on the Iron Throne:

“Are your Seven Kingdoms so different? There is no peace in Westeros, no justice, no faith … and soon enough, no food. When men are starving and sick of fear, they look for a savior.” “They may look, but if all they find is Stannis—” “Not Stannis. Nor Myrcella.” The yellow smile widened. “Another. Stronger than Tommen, gentler than Stannis, with a better claim than the girl Myrcella. A savior come from across the sea to bind up the wounds of bleeding Westeros.” “Fine words.” Tyrion was unimpressed. “Words are wind. Who is this bloody savior?” “A dragon.” The cheesemonger saw the look on his face at that, and laughed. “A dragon with three heads.”

Then in the following Tyrion POV, Illyrio talks about how great Dany is:

Next you will be offering me a suit of magic armor and a palace in Valyria. “If Daenerys is no more than a sweet young girl, the Iron Throne will cut her into sweet young pieces.” “Fear not, my little friend. The blood of Aegon the Dragon flows in her veins.”

“Viserys was Mad Aerys’s son, just so. Daenerys … Daenerys is quite different.” He popped a roasted lark into his mouth and crunched it noisily, bones and all. “The frightened child who sheltered in my manse died on the Dothraki sea, and was reborn in blood and fire. This dragon queen who wears her name is a true Targaryen. When I sent ships to bring her home, she turned toward Slaver’s Bay. In a short span of days she conquered Astapor, made Yunkai bend the knee, and sacked Meereen. Mantarys will be next, if she marches west along the old Valyrian roads. If she comes by sea, well … her fleet must take on food and water at Volantis.”


In the trailer, Varys is simply doing THE EXACT SAME THING Illyrio did in ADWD: Talking about how Westeros need a savior and how Dany is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Neither of them mention Aegon.

Then there's also the aspect that Varys doesn't actually go to Meereen, and if Kevan is in, he most likely goes back to King's Landing before the end of the season. Meaning... what is causing this?

I doubt Young Griff is in, but until Varys talks about supporting Dany in 5.10 there's still plenty of room.
 
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Lord Couture

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Basileus777 said:
That doesn't really say anything. Every possible theory has been made about this series. One of the sillier ones just turned out to be true.
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Still, it was established back in AGOT that Varys (& Illyrio) had some sort of masterplan concerning the Iron Throne. Every reader knew that. Young Griff is simply the concretization of this plan. It doesn't come out of nowhere.
 
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BobTheFork said:
He's a very odd plot device to me. It feels like at some point during the writing, even George started to get mad that Dany wasn't close to coming back to Westeros so he just made another 'Targaryen' to fill that role for now. I have just been assuming Dany is going to off him as soon as they meet.
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Not really. I think if you look at the original trilogy titles there was always going to be a Dance with Dragons. The plot is also ripped straight from history with the Princes in the Tower.

I think Aegon and Dany were supposed to be in conflict in the last book but George never really got round to it.

My personal feeling at this point is that GRRM doesn't want to write more books because he sees how the series has fallen apart in the last two and he regrets not sticking with the 5 year gap.
 
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Euron

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Ok this was posted to reddit 3 weeks ago. It may be complete bullshit but I'm spoiler tagging it since it may be the ending to Season 5 and a major diversion from ADWD:

When in Episode 510, a change from the books is made and Jon Snow as Lord Commander leads a ranging party to Hardhome. He and his party get into an altercation with Wights and White Walkers and his men want to flee and Jon Snow doesn't allow them to do so. As a result they revolt and stab him and leave him to die, as they run for safety. Then the White Walkers come, collect his body, throw it onto the back of their horse and gallop off into the darkness, as another season of Game of Thrones comes to a conclusion.
 
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Kain

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Euron Crow's Eye said:
Ok this was posted to reddit 3 weeks ago. It may be complete bullshit but I'm spoiler tagging it since it may be the ending to Season 5 and a major diversion from ADWD:

When in Episode 510, a change from the books is made and Jon Snow as Lord Commander leads a ranging party to Hardhome. He and his party get into an altercation with Wights and White Walkers and his men want to flee and Jon Snow doesn't allow them to do so. As a result they revolt and stab him and leave him to die, as they run for safety. Then the White Walkers come, collect his body, throw it onto the back of their horse and gallop off into the darkness, as another season of Game of Thrones comes to a conclusion.
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That sounds so bad I believe it.
 
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Euron Crow's Eye said:
Ok this was posted to reddit 3 weeks ago. It may be complete bullshit but I'm spoiler tagging it since it may be the ending to Season 5 and a major diversion from ADWD:

When in Episode 510, a change from the books is made and Jon Snow as Lord Commander leads a ranging party to Hardhome. He and his party get into an altercation with Wights and White Walkers and his men want to flee and Jon Snow doesn't allow them to do so. As a result they revolt and stab him and leave him to die, as they run for safety. Then the White Walkers come, collect his body, throw it onto the back of their horse and gallop off into the darkness, as another season of Game of Thrones comes to a conclusion.
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That sounds like complete bullshit based on the leaked change.
 
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Iksenpets

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BarneyBP said:
Trailer spoiler / speculation:

Is that possibly Myrcella's ear suspended from the snake? A threat from Dorne?
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Close, but less violent. It's Myrcella's necklace.

Only spoiler tagging because I don't think I'd have been able to put this together without the script leak from a few months back.
 
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RobotChant

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I'm guessing Aegon is still in play and that's why they featured on that Varys and Tyrion exchange. It seems an odd thing to focus on if they aren't pulling the Aegon card.
 
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Euron

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RobotChant said:
I'm guessing Aegon is still in play and that's why they focused on that Varys and Tyrion exchange. It seems an odd thing to focus on if they aren't pulling the Aegon card.
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I just can't believe that D&D would allow two massive plot holes: Varys trying to kill Dany in Season 1 and Varys in Season 4 being responsible for splitting Dany from the person that saved her life. Though I think it's safe to bet that Aegon is cut entirely because fuck consistency.

Also it seems like reddit believes (Spoiler tagged because big diversion from AFFC)
that Aemon dies at Castle Black since one scene in the trailer might be his body burning on a funeral pyre that's clearly at the Wall. I wonder what this means for Sam.
 
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Lord Couture

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Euron Crow's Eye said:
Also it seems like reddit believes (Spoiler tagged because big diversion from AFFC)
that Aemon dies at Castle Black since one scene in the trailer might be his body burning on a funeral pyre that's clearly at the Wall. I wonder what this means for Sam.
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I guess Sam's trip could entirely happen off-screen. We don't need to see him and Gilly on a boat for numerous scenes. While fun, his cameo in Braavos (and meeting with Arya) is not necessary either. I can see him leaving Castle Black in 5x03, then we don't see him for the rest of the season except for a brief scene in 5x10 where he arrives in Oldtown and hears about the incoming attack from the Ironborn, lead by a crazy pirate who wears an eyepatch.

Therefore, in order to cut the trip scenes, they need Aemon to stay at the Wall... and die there.
 
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RobotChant

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Lord Couture said:
I guess Sam's trip could entirely happen off-screen. We don't need to see him and Gilly on a boat for numerous scenes. While fun, his cameo in Braavos (and meeting with Arya) is not necessary either. I can see him leaving Castle Black in 5x03, then we don't see him for the rest of the season except for a brief scene in 5x10 where he arrives in Oldtown and hears about the incoming attack from the Ironborn, lead by a crazy pirate who wears an eyepatch.

Therefore, in order to cut the trip scenes, they need Aemon to stay at the Wall... and die there.
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I thought they already had Gilly chilling in Moles town on the show. They can cut the whole Sam/Gilly to Old town completely. With that they'd probably also cut Mance as Rattle Shirt, Val, and the baby switch all together.
 
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Loke13

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RobotChant said:
I thought they already had Gilly chilling in Moles town on the show. They can cut the whole Sam/Gilly to Old town completely. With that they'd probably also cut Mance as Rattle Shirt, Val, and the baby switch all together.
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I'm assuming the baby will have something to do with the WW plot down the line.
 
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bengraven said:
Oh come on!

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Iksenpets said:
Man, I thought you were supposed to be watching out for us. Watching on the wall. Or something.
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Corpsepyre

Corpsepyre

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So, can one assume that Sansa
will be taking over for Stoneheart? Seems that way for some reason from the way Littlefinger was pepping her up

:(
 
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TheXbox

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I don't understand why Tyrion would want to help Daenerys if he has no beef with his family. The only one he hates is Cersei.
 
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bengraven

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Noticed this time:

Sand Snake looks like she's in King's Landing? Maybe?

Jaime and Bronn in the desert with horsemen questioning them.

Fingers on the edge of a bath, Sansa taking a bath - same scene? Aftermath?

MIssandei and Grey Worm, not Dani as I first suspected. Daw.

Dragon in the dark - Quentin scene with someone else in his place? Maybe Dani's new husband takes what he believes is his and pays?
 
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