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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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Morrigan Stark
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Jeyne Poole is cut? Will there even be the fake Arya plotline in Winterfell? I wonder what Reek will be doing all season, since they've already deal with a big chunk of his story from ADWD.
DKehoe
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Making a Dunk & Egg series seems the best of both worlds. HBO get a full run of the show to keep their subscriptions up and you can then bring out a film series for those fans who want more GoT content now the show is finished. It being the first time that world will be on the big screen will serve as a draw for quite a lot of people. Also, with Dunk and Egg you probably wouldn't have to have as high an age rating as you would with a Game of Thrones film so you have a more family friendly product.
biosnake20
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Many believe "winterfell worker" to be fArya because her resemblance to Maisie Williams. Supposedly her CV said she was willing to do nudity.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Emma_Maguire
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
True. :/
Now pour that money back into the show and give me my sled doges, polar bears, and shadowcats!
GordonHalfman
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Any news on Wyman Manderly? If there's no fake Arya and no Manderly then I guess there's no nothern conspiracy and no ghost in Winterfell stuff, and then no Able the bard and no pink letter. I wonder what they even do with the north now.
cartoon_soldier
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What if Blackfish just goes to the Vale?
With Jamie in Dorne we obviously won't get the taking of Riverun?
With Jamie in Dorne we obviously won't get the taking of Riverun?
Pretty sure one of the writers confirmed last season that Stannis just received a small enough loan to keep him afloat in the war, and money is still flowing to the Lannisters. They don't yet want to overthrow the Lannisters, they just want to keep a viable alternative in the running, just in case they need to in the future.
Plus we know from set photos that they're sending Mace to negotiate their loans with the bank, so I imagine that will be when the Lannister's relationship with the bank falls apart completely.
No Manderly casting. There's been some speculation that they could just be giving the role to Umber, since Rickon was sent to him. That way, there'd be no casting to leak, but that's not confirmed, either.
Lord Morairty007
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Martin should hire a ghostwriter to finish the book.
Yep, I think it was Cogman.
Calm down, guys. There were inevitably going to be huge cuts going into the final leg of the show. I'm also massively disappointed Manderly's been cut, but the Northern stuff (The Mannis, Roose etc.) that is lined up for this season will be very good. Besides, no matter what else happens, it will still be top-tier television. If I'm wrong, I'm prepared to be force-fed all the remaining crow in Castle Black.
Yeah, I think the North in particular causes frustration because it's where we've really had the fewest leaks, so no one really has anything concrete on what Stannis/Davos/Roose/Ramsay/Theon are going to be up to this season at all. Jon was in that list too until the Hardhome stuff became clear over the last few weeks. At least with the ommission of the Ironborn and the Griffs and the changes to Dorne, they kind of telegraphed those in advance, so people have been able to absorb those over time. We're just getting the next wave of that backlash now as people who haven't been paying attention until the trailer are now finding out about it. Plus, the Northern stuff is pretty universally popular with fans in a way the Greyjoy uncles and Aegon aren't. Those have always had their detractors.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah I was just going to bring up the lack of leaks for the northern content. It seems like almost all the northern content is filmed in remote locations or on sets, so we don't see nearly as many leaks as other plots that have filming in more public areas.
That said of course we'd all like to see Manderly in the show and it looks like that isn't going to happen (of course a similar plot with Umber at some point could serve the same purpose). It does however look like Emma Maguire as F-Arya is a possibility, so at least part of the Winterfell plotline may remain intact from Dance.
The Northern plot was always going to be tough for the TV show though. It relies on a large number of relatively minor characters being important and they don't have the time for that in the show. They've had to pare that that down so far in the show and we knew they would for Dance as well.
higgsboson1997
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Grey Worm is a minor sub-plot in the series that has taken about 5 minutes total screen-time. It fleshes out Dany's side characters and makes them more than just caricatures. Moreover, he is an already established character.
Aegon and the Greyjoys, so far, have done nothing of note, and D&D probably know a way of working around them. It will be extremely hard to get the audience to care about these characters so late into the story, especially if they are adding a bunch of them. There are more chances of those characters failing than succeeding in the audience's eyes, and the high wages the actors will be given, coupled with the creation of new sets, probably makes it not worth the risk. They are simply the opportunity cost, which I think is the right decision- HBO need to keep the series streamlined, which is what they are doing. GRRM made it far too convoluted, and is barely able to handle it in 1000's of pages- HBO only have 10 hours.
I'm starting to believe that the show and the books are going to end quite differently. I know that GRRM told the producers the ending, or atleast the general gist of it, but it's no guarantee that the show's heading that direction with all these changes.
Atleast that's what I'm hoping.
The producers seem smart, I don't think they'd want to ruin the ending for book readers.
edit: I mean, they're probably not going to change who Jon's mother is for example, but I don't think the producers know what's going to happen to every single character in the books.
Atleast that's what I'm hoping.
The producers seem smart, I don't think they'd want to ruin the ending for book readers.edit: I mean, they're probably not going to change who Jon's mother is for example, but I don't think the producers know what's going to happen to every single character in the books.
That's grim. Probably correct, though.
I'm starting to believe that the show and the books are going to end quite differently. I know that GRRM told the producers the ending, or atleast the general gist of it, but it's no guarantee that the show's heading that direction with all these changes.
Atleast that's what I'm hoping.
edit: I mean, they're probably not going to change who Jon's mother is for example, but I don't think the producers know what's going to happen to every single character in the books.
I think the capital "E" Ending will be more or less the same (unless GRRM just decides to change it after the show does it), but the journey there will likely get to be very different.
Looking towards season 6, even if TWOW comes out before the season begins, it will already be too late at this point for the actual book to have any real kind of effect on the show. They are likely already in the process of plotting the season. They will presumably be shooting before season 5 is even done airing. The scripts will be finalized long before the book is out. Unless GRRM sits them down and explains in great detail exactly what he's written and is going to write, then season 6 is likely going to be flying "blind." The big beats of the story will be there, but the micro detail, specific lines of dialog, character interaction, etc, will be different.
This whole thing brings up something I've been wondering for awhile. Has there ever been anything like this as far as media is concerned? A popular series selling adaptation rights before it's finished, and the adaptation overtaking it?
Fullmetal Alchemist?
Can't say I'm all that familiar with the series, but I have to imagine in the case of a manga it's a bit different as it's kind of an ongoing, regular series until it's not and it's done. Like an ongoing, nebulous thing with an unknown end date. Same for The Walking Dead, where the TV show fairly quickly diverged from the comic in some ways, introducing new characters and situations, and kind of borrowing from the comics when it wants. It's more "inspired by" then a strict adaptation. I have no idea how the Fullmetal Alchemist manga relates to the anime though, so maybe I'm way off on that.
For Game of Thrones we've known how many books are left (theoretically) since the show began. It just feels like a really weird, unique situation.
Yeah. They know the ending, but not necessarily the path to it or the specific purposes of several of the characters. For example, they might not know how LSH fits into the big picture. Just writing around it is probably easier than introducing a crazy zombie lady and then later on figuring out what the hell to do with her.
But yeah, I agree with the unique situation with the show and the books. At first I was pretty pissed that the writers started to stray off-book, but now I'm actually glad. This way we can enjoy them both as separate takes on the same story, without one ruining the other.
Exterminieren
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Scott Pilgrim, kinda.
Fixed.
Pyramid head
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It was 5 minutes total screen time of pointless crap which I doubt anyone, book reader or not gave a shit about. I'm certain if you asked any non book reader if they would rather those 5 minutes had been filled by a dude with no dick staring at a woman, or for Sam and Gilly to have encountered a cool as fuck elk riding zombie who controls an unkindness of ravens, I know which they'd choose.
Basileus777
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Much needed character development for Dany's lacking supporting cast vs a useless character that serves no purpose other than to look cool and waste your budget. You're right, it's an easy choice.
Exterminieren
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He actually would have made a half-decent Bronn.
He would have been hilarious as someone nothing like him. Dany Dyer as Davos please.
No matter what they do, Dany's character can't develop until she stops reciting bullshit corny lines (writers' fault) and offers a believeable perfomance (actress' fault) so I will take my elk riding zombie any day of the week, thanks xD
Pyramid head
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I have absolutely no idea how That garbage 'love interest' side story is supposed to have improved Dany's scenes. If you want to talk about poinless then there's nothing which fits the bill better than a thirsty eunich. You know what would have made Dany's supporting cast less of a drag? Strong Belwas.
I'd take poinless but cool over pointless but boring any day.
Cellbomber
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I better be getting the "Strong Belwas needs milk" line this season. He got so pumped up and excited when he saw the locusts. It will make a great scene with Dany being so disgusted watching him eat.
Ape Gone Insane
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Why are people saying Aegon is out? Casting/set info? Or because he wasn't in the trailer? If the latter, why would a character like that be in the trailer? Wouldn't it be more sensible to have him as a surprise?
He has not been cast. Yes, it would be a huge spoiler to showviewers if they cast him and announce it but I doubt many remember the one or two times he's been mentioned throughout the show either way. That or Trystane is playing that part as we have speculated here.
Seeing as Arianne has been completely cut, for example, it comes as no surprise that they cut Faegon too.
Happens all the time in anime. They start an anime adaption of a manga that hasn't finished yet, and because anime usually gets done a lot faster than manga, it often overtakes it and either does some filler to waste time til the manga has more material (common in long running shonen anime) out, or it makes up its own direction and ending.
That's why I'd never start an adaption until the source material is finished. I imagine the first 4 or so Harry Potter movies would have been very different if they'd started being made after the series had actually finished (the first two were made with a full three books left to go).
Fullmetal was a set story, it wasn't meant to go on forever like a weekly series. Manga just takes a long time to do, if it's a long one. The first anime series of FMA came out too soon and overtook it pretty fast, and went off in its own direction. The second adaption of it Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, came out after the manga had ended and was just a straight and faithful adaption of the complete manga (with a high budget to boot).
Steelyuhas
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Pretty confident it's Brienne.
Ah you're right, does sound like her. All aboard for that LSH foreshadowing!!!
biosnake20
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Excited to see more footage from the 30 minute special next sunday.
So soon? Geez time is flying by.
biosnake20
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Yeah the marketing campaign is in full effect now.
Ciaran Hinds was barely used in the first place.
Considering how much the writers love King's Landing's characters, I'd say it's safe to say the High Sparrow will have a bigger role on screen compared to Mance.
Yeah, the High Sparrow has a significant role this season. From what we know I'd say that he'll come close to Oberyn in terms of screentime/plot impact.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Oberyn needed way more screentime than he got :/
Man, I really hope Mance gets some good scenes this season. He's so underdeveloped on the show. I want to at least get his story about why he abandoned the Night's Watch that they left out of season 3. Trailer makes it look like he's getting burned in the first few episodes, though.
Also, people pointing to things like "zombie riding and elk" and "lava arm" need to realize that those are the exact things the show runners are avoiding. Like it or not, they're toning down the fantasy elements, and that's not going to change. If a scene or character has nothing to merit it other than being "badass" or "cool", then it's probably first on the list of things they're cutting.
Enosh
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you are saying this in a season that's adding a bunch of new dorne characters...
Yeah, I hope we get Mance in Winterfell and the murders and all that, but for some reason I'm not super hopeful on that one. Hope I'm wrong though.
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